Houston couple arrested for making snuff films of animals being tortured and killed | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27129259 United States 11/30/2012 04:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Humanity does this to itself, not to mention animals, and they enjoy it? Tell me satan isn't influencing the hordes of nonbelievers and satanists. |
Lady Jane Smith Forum Administrator User ID: 17369069 Sweden 11/30/2012 04:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | they're animals, they don't have any rights to access the justice system, they don't even pay taxes, it's a sick thing to do, making snuff films, but it's not criminal activity Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28385893 you people who think animals have rights, you're sick, too, just as sick as these animal snuffers there's no objective difference between slaughtering a cow to eat, gutting a fish to fry, or stomping a little kitty in the skull with high heels for fun, any differences one might presume are purely subjective, because in each case the results are essentially the same, the animal is killed ... except these pieces of genetic shit continue to up the thrill until they are snuffing children. I hope they meet Dahmer's fate in prison. Fate whispers to the warrior "You cannot withstand the storm" the warrior whispers back "I am the storm" INTJ-A |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26191271 United States 11/30/2012 04:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | they're animals, they don't have any rights to access the justice system, they don't even pay taxes, it's a sick thing to do, making snuff films, but it's not criminal activity Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28385893 you people who think animals have rights, you're sick, too, just as sick as these animal snuffers there's no objective difference between slaughtering a cow to eat, gutting a fish to fry, or stomping a little kitty in the skull with high heels for fun, any differences one might presume are purely subjective, because in each case the results are essentially the same, the animal is killed You wouldn't be so ballsy as to say that to my face or most other people's because your ass would be stomped in an instant. Fuck you, you soulless asshole. I would kill you and your family with my bare hands before I would torture an animal. Animals deserve MORE protection than people because they depend on us for their safety. Torturing or killing an animal for anything but food is a CRIME against the law and against who we are as humans. You're lucky I'm no computer hacker or I would trace your IP and find you and your family to give you a lesson in how to treat animals by demonstrating what not to do, on your pathetic body. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 28385893 United States 11/30/2012 04:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28385893 Intent here is irrelevant. An animal can be killed, but it can't be murdered, since animals don't have rights. However, a pet owner has a legitimate grievance at civil tort if someone kills his pet. There's no provable harm to society here, so it's not criminal. All animals have the right to live. So animals have a right to live. Okay, now go picket outside of every restaurant and grocery store in the country to prove that. Most "animal rights" types are liberals who support abortion, so you probably don't even think humans have a right to live. Humans have a right to live because we can decree it, animals can't, so it's up to mankind to act as custodian of the earth. However, stomping kittens isn't a criminal act, it's a sick act, about as sick as playing "Call of Duty" or other violent and depraved video games. Farmers harvest their steers for meat for commerce, while these sickos stomped cats for commerce. And I know that many of you think that animals are the moral equivalent of humans, but there's simply no reason that any legal jurisdiction in the country should move against such commerce as this. I myself find it abhorrent, but the law isn't there to ensure a lack of abhorrence in life, the law is there to ensure that civil order is maintained. No one is saying you can't kill animals. It's sanctioned by every state through farming/ranching, processing, and hunting/fishing. It's the torture that is not allowed, and every jurisdiction in the U.S. has found a compelling reason to protect animals from torture. These people and those that buy their videos should die. Again, as to intent, you say their intent was torture, while I say their intent was commerce. And then you say that they should be executed? Why? That would be cruel and unusual punishment, since animals possess no inalienable rights. Stomping a kitten or slicing a cow's neck at the slaughterhouse, both end the life of the animal, so both are identical from a moral perspective, since no humans are harmed as a result. And where both activities are for the purpose of commerce, such activities should be lawful. People who abuse animals are absolutely vile and sick as far as I'm concerned, but there's simply no overwhelming reason for any state entity to interfere in such commerce, particularly when no humans are harmed as a result. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 28385893 United States 11/30/2012 04:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | they're animals, they don't have any rights to access the justice system, they don't even pay taxes, it's a sick thing to do, making snuff films, but it's not criminal activity Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28385893 you people who think animals have rights, you're sick, too, just as sick as these animal snuffers there's no objective difference between slaughtering a cow to eat, gutting a fish to fry, or stomping a little kitty in the skull with high heels for fun, any differences one might presume are purely subjective, because in each case the results are essentially the same, the animal is killed You wouldn't be so ballsy as to say that to my face or most other people's because your ass would be stomped in an instant. Fuck you, you soulless asshole. I would kill you and your family with my bare hands before I would torture an animal. Animals deserve MORE protection than people because they depend on us for their safety. Torturing or killing an animal for anything but food is a CRIME against the law and against who we are as humans. You're lucky I'm no computer hacker or I would trace your IP and find you and your family to give you a lesson in how to treat animals by demonstrating what not to do, on your pathetic body. You've misunderstood my comments and are overreacting. I don't approve of animal abuse, I merely say that criminalizing animal abuse is, from a legal standpoint, outrageous, and from a law and order standpoint, ineffective. I merely voice a differing point of view as to what constitutes criminal behavior, I don't advocate animal abuse. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 27644686 United States 11/30/2012 05:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So animals have a right to live. Okay, now go picket outside of every restaurant and grocery store in the country to prove that. Most "animal rights" types are liberals who support abortion, so you probably don't even think humans have a right to live. Humans have a right to live because we can decree it, animals can't, so it's up to mankind to act as custodian of the earth. However, stomping kittens isn't a criminal act, it's a sick act, about as sick as playing "Call of Duty" or other violent and depraved video games. Farmers harvest their steers for meat for commerce, while these sickos stomped cats for commerce. And I know that many of you think that animals are the moral equivalent of humans, but there's simply no reason that any legal jurisdiction in the country should move against such commerce as this. I myself find it abhorrent, but the law isn't there to ensure a lack of abhorrence in life, the law is there to ensure that civil order is maintained. No one is saying you can't kill animals. It's sanctioned by every state through farming/ranching, processing, and hunting/fishing. It's the torture that is not allowed, and every jurisdiction in the U.S. has found a compelling reason to protect animals from torture. These people and those that buy their videos should die. Again, as to intent, you say their intent was torture, while I say their intent was commerce. And then you say that they should be executed? Why? That would be cruel and unusual punishment, since animals possess no inalienable rights. Stomping a kitten or slicing a cow's neck at the slaughterhouse, both end the life of the animal, so both are identical from a moral perspective, since no humans are harmed as a result. And where both activities are for the purpose of commerce, such activities should be lawful. People who abuse animals are absolutely vile and sick as far as I'm concerned, but there's simply no overwhelming reason for any state entity to interfere in such commerce, particularly when no humans are harmed as a result. Your argument fails as easy as this: if that were the case, kiddie porn producers would have that defense. They don't. I said nothing of intent. Their actions are illegal, period. What motivated the action is irrelevant. The result will be their imprisonment because of the simple fact that what they did was illegal. Your argument really sucks. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 22301087 United States 11/30/2012 05:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ship them to Iran. Let's see how they view prison there. Quoting: Redpaw360 Crimes like this should be an automatic revocation of us citizenship. I'm sure the muzzles could deal out what we would like to do. This would not be seen as a problem in much of the ME. I saw too many animals abused for fun. Young boys were often encouraged by the fathers to commit atrocious acts on animals as it toughened them up for the future. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 28385893 United States 11/30/2012 05:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Again, as to intent, you say their intent was torture, while I say their intent was commerce. And then you say that they should be executed? Why? That would be cruel and unusual punishment, since animals possess no inalienable rights. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28385893 Stomping a kitten or slicing a cow's neck at the slaughterhouse, both end the life of the animal, so both are identical from a moral perspective, since no humans are harmed as a result. And where both activities are for the purpose of commerce, such activities should be lawful. People who abuse animals are absolutely vile and sick as far as I'm concerned, but there's simply no overwhelming reason for any state entity to interfere in such commerce, particularly when no humans are harmed as a result. Your argument fails as easy as this: if that were the case, kiddie porn producers would have that defense. They don't. I said nothing of intent. Their actions are illegal, period. What motivated the action is irrelevant. The result will be their imprisonment because of the simple fact that what they did was illegal. Your argument really sucks. I'm sure they'll get jail time if convicted, since people these days seem to care more about animals than people. Animal abuse is certainly illegal, no argument there, legislatures everywhere have come to a democratic consensus that animals have rights. To close, I played Devil's Advocate in this thread. If I'd have said "suck a fetus through a garden hose" it might be met with mild repulsion, most would say, "women have a right". But when I said "abusing animals is vile behavior, but I don't think it rises to the level of criminality" all of a sudden folks are like "I'LL KILL YOU AND YOU'RE ENTIRE FAMILY! YOU SUCK!" Do y'all see the irony here? Anyway, it was fun playing Devil's Advocate, y'all are a hoot, later. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14392840 United States 11/30/2012 05:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | GD, this MUST be the end. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23535565 The people who buy these should be shot. Yanking it to puppy torture? Is there no end to the depravity? I agree that people that buy these should be shot. Just like pedophiles who like kiddie porn, these people are sick and should not be among us in civil society. We need spiritual, Universal justice. These types of predators have no life spark, nothing of what the Christians call Holy spirit. They will not move onto the hereafter, nor have any higher conscience of what love is or the meaning of life They are robotic, empty, psychotic shells. There is no place for them in society, none whatsoever... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 23018191 United States 11/30/2012 05:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | GD, this MUST be the end. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23535565 The people who buy these should be shot. Yanking it to puppy torture? Is there no end to the depravity? I agree that people that buy these should be shot. Just like pedophiles who like kiddie porn, these people are sick and should not be among us in civil society. We need spiritual, Universal justice. These types of predators have no life spark, nothing of what the Christians call Holy spirit. They will not move onto the hereafter, nor have any higher conscience of what love is or the meaning of life They are robotic, empty, psychotic shells. There is no place for them in society, none whatsoever... My cat just jumped on my lap. lol. I love animals.. if you don't love animals. you're alot closer to hell and you will never reach heaven |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 29277108 United States 01/15/2013 03:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | These creeps now face Federal charges as well as the state charges. Quoting: Ralph--a house dog [link to www.chron.com] They could get up to 7 years for each count of animal crushing and up to 5 years for each count of obscenity. No that seems more just of a sentence. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 31974696 United States 10/06/2013 01:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | they're animals, they don't have any rights to access the justice system, they don't even pay taxes, it's a sick thing to do, making snuff films, but it's not criminal activity Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28385893 you people who think animals have rights, you're sick, too, just as sick as these animal snuffers there's no objective difference between slaughtering a cow to eat, gutting a fish to fry, or stomping a little kitty in the skull with high heels for fun, any differences one might presume are purely subjective, because in each case the results are essentially the same, the animal is killed It's called compassion for other living things, who shouldn't have to suffer, who feel pain just as you do, you fucking piece of shit! |
ladulce User ID: 30657105 United States 10/06/2013 01:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | THey made these movies AT THE REQUEST OF CUSTOMERS. They are considered fetish porn flicks. WHO THE HELL is getting off on animals being stomped to death? WHAT KIND of crazy is that? That 'customer' list better be made available because these loons could be living near any one of us... |
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