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Anonymous Coward User ID: 30109935 United Kingdom 12/18/2012 03:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Obama pulls US War Fleet from Syrian waters. Betrays 5 US Allies and allows huge Russian arms shipments to Syria. We all look to see where the US Navy assets are deployed as to gain the temperature of the situation rather than other assets, or deployments of other countries. The British territory on Cyprus along with Jordan and Turkey would provide the US a broader and more stable platform to operate from (e.g the US already operates spy planes from Cyprus) Such a repositioning would also give the impression that the US is de-escalating tensions, and at the moment I believe that would be a welcomed move by all sides. However, going by photos and reports it seems to me that Damascus is already a deserted ruinous heap.. and wonder at what point could we call that prophecy full filled? perhaps if the FSA declare somewhere else the capital? thus taking away (city) from Damascus? |
Judethz (OP) User ID: 20521597 United Kingdom 12/18/2012 04:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Obama pulls US War Fleet from Syrian waters. Betrays 5 US Allies and allows huge Russian arms shipments to Syria. Yeah right..."Now that the American warships are gone, Russia’s Black Sea Fleet task force, which docked at the Syrian port of Tartus on Dec. 5, is the only war fleet remaining around the Syrian coast. According to debkafile’s intelligence sources, the Russian ships came to deliver a large consignment of arms for Bashar Assad’s army," Did you actually read the story. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 30187463 United States 12/18/2012 04:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Obama pulls US War Fleet from Syrian waters. Betrays 5 US Allies and allows huge Russian arms shipments to Syria. These ships are sitting ducks anyway! Also consider that they can not SIT waiting for ever, they are crewed by Thousands of Sailors and Marines who work out like crazy,eat like lumberjacks and are mostly horny heterosexuals, You can only carry so much food/supplies on a ship? And the boys are probably getting a bit rambunctious after sitting for how many months in a big tin can? These young warriors are volunteer soldiers not inmates and should be treated as the honorable men that they are, I think you will agree? The US and allies have airborne capabilities that are staggering! Keeping ships inshore in modern times is unwise considering that Syria and Iran both have modern, very lethal ship busting weapons. Any first attack will come from the air. If they moved the boys off shore until softening up was complete and then put them on a beach,it would be like unleashing rabid dogs. I speculate much but consider more factors than you,I think. Do you think they are sitting in floating hotels with free booze,and dinner with the Captain,lunch by the pool perhaps? |
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Judethz (OP) User ID: 20521597 United Kingdom 12/18/2012 04:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Obama pulls US War Fleet from Syrian waters. Betrays 5 US Allies and allows huge Russian arms shipments to Syria. These ships are sitting ducks anyway! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30187463 Also consider that they can not SIT waiting for ever, they are crewed by Thousands of Sailors and Marines who work out like crazy,eat like lumberjacks and are mostly horny heterosexuals, You can only carry so much food/supplies on a ship? And the boys are probably getting a bit rambunctious after sitting for how many months in a big tin can? These young warriors are volunteer soldiers not inmates and should be treated as the honorable men that they are, I think you will agree? The US and allies have airborne capabilities that are staggering! Keeping ships inshore in modern times is unwise considering that Syria and Iran both have modern, very lethal ship busting weapons. Any first attack will come from the air. If they moved the boys off shore until softening up was complete and then put them on a beach,it would be like unleashing rabid dogs. I speculate much but consider more factors than you,I think. Do you think they are sitting in floating hotels with free booze,and dinner with the Captain,lunch by the pool perhaps? Your argument dosn't wash because everything that you just said applies equally to the Russian fleet.* Besides during the Napoleonic Wars England blockaded French ports for years at time in all weathers. *Except probably for the bit about being volunteers. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30109935 United Kingdom 12/18/2012 04:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Obama pulls US War Fleet from Syrian waters. Betrays 5 US Allies and allows huge Russian arms shipments to Syria. Yeah right..."Now that the American warships are gone, Russia’s Black Sea Fleet task force, which docked at the Syrian port of Tartus on Dec. 5, is the only war fleet remaining around the Syrian coast. According to debkafile’s intelligence sources, the Russian ships came to deliver a large consignment of arms for Bashar Assad’s army," Did you actually read the story. Nah, I prefer to think of the wider picture and games that are being played.. As much as I dislike Obama, in sa'much as I think he'd prefer bombing Britain to bombing any other country, I also think the way I do, and this just miss-direction and a repositioning of assets. I also think the Russians will be (and indeed are)on the side of the West, especially given the historical precedent that Russia tends to side, even with it's arch enemy when dealing with these nations. The 2 times in the last 100 years that Iran fell to invaders was at the hands of the Russians/British, the White Russians/British and Soviet Russians/British. So it seems to me that approach is true no matter the flavour of Russian in power. As for the existing arms transfer, I think we might be seeing something similar to the French helping to sabotage Argentine exocet missiles during the Falklands war. I also think by allowing the Russians to arm the Syrians it gives the West a reasonable legal excuse to arm the rebels.. how convenient is that? the west needs a legal avenue to arm the Rebels.. and this might give that legal excuse. As for Israel itself.. I honestly don't feel they'll be betrayed.. while Barry might be a nobend (I don't know him personally enough to say for certain) the US military can operate outside of US approvals, think again of the Falklands war where the US military acted without approval of the US government as provisions where in place for that co-operation to occur without approval. I am sure similar provisions are in place regarding Israel. I will admit that I could be wrong, and that Israel could be being stitched up, however.. I don't think I am. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 20359894 Australia 12/18/2012 04:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Obama pulls US War Fleet from Syrian waters. Betrays 5 US Allies and allows huge Russian arms shipments to Syria. I don't think Obama would have any say in Syrian-Russian affairs, nor would he have a right to. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20359894 :blackcat: Surely you are aware of the prophecy. Isa 17:1 ¶ The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from [being] a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap. Perhaps you can get hold of a KJV of the bible and read up while you are waiting for your traps to catch some snakes and lizards for your next meal. While your hiding in the outback after your cities go up in smoke. lol, i spent 7 years in a Christian school, so yeah, i am familiar with the passage. As for trapping Australian fauna, you don't get much of a feed from lizzies and other reptiles, so i tend to go for Wombats and Kangaroos, on the odd occasion, a Koala. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30187463 United States 12/18/2012 04:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Obama pulls US War Fleet from Syrian waters. Betrays 5 US Allies and allows huge Russian arms shipments to Syria. These ships are sitting ducks anyway! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30187463 Also consider that they can not SIT waiting for ever, they are crewed by Thousands of Sailors and Marines who work out like crazy,eat like lumberjacks and are mostly horny heterosexuals, You can only carry so much food/supplies on a ship? And the boys are probably getting a bit rambunctious after sitting for how many months in a big tin can? These young warriors are volunteer soldiers not inmates and should be treated as the honorable men that they are, I think you will agree? The US and allies have airborne capabilities that are staggering! Keeping ships inshore in modern times is unwise considering that Syria and Iran both have modern, very lethal ship busting weapons. Any first attack will come from the air. If they moved the boys off shore until softening up was complete and then put them on a beach,it would be like unleashing rabid dogs. I speculate much but consider more factors than you,I think. Do you think they are sitting in floating hotels with free booze,and dinner with the Captain,lunch by the pool perhaps? :blumerl: Your argument dosn't wash because everything that you just said applies equally to the Russian fleet.* Besides during the Napoleonic Wars England blockaded French ports for years at time in all weathers. *Except probably for the bit about being volunteers. The Russians have a huge well stocked base at Tarsus? (cant be bothered looking it up), no problem staying fueled and fed. 19th century Royal Navy was a whole different ball game. Most of the crews had taken the Kings coin but some could not remember because of the booze or smack on the head ? 1 5 13 |
Judethz (OP) User ID: 20521597 United Kingdom 12/18/2012 04:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Obama pulls US War Fleet from Syrian waters. Betrays 5 US Allies and allows huge Russian arms shipments to Syria. The Russians have a huge well stocked base at Tarsus? (cant be bothered looking it up), no problem staying fueled and fed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30187463 That argument dosn't wash either because there are two huge UK bases on Cypress. Besides which ain't you ever heard of at sea provisioning, they can stay at sea for months at a time when they need to. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 30125030 Belgium 12/18/2012 05:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Obama pulls US War Fleet from Syrian waters. Betrays 5 US Allies and allows huge Russian arms shipments to Syria. I don't think Obama would have any say in Syrian-Russian affairs, nor would he have a right to. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20359894 :blackcat: Surely you are aware of the prophecy. Isa 17:1 ¶ The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from [being] a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap. Perhaps you can get hold of a KJV of the bible and read up while you are waiting for your traps to catch some snakes and lizards for your next meal. While your hiding in the outback after your cities go up in smoke. I hope you are aware that all religions maps are fake... Damascus of the bible ain't Damascus in Syria... or Israel in the Middle east ain't the promised land at all... its all based on lies and falsified maps... the truth they kept away from sheep eyes since the inquisitions. Just remember there must be a prophet, who shall lead his people in the exodus out the doomed lands, before Damascus or any prophecy can be fulfilled... There is only one prophecy in the fulfilling right now... and that is the Beast which comes out the sea to destroy a harlot state... for its written that GOD does this... and there will nobody to help the harlot, which shall be burned by fire and left naked... this is the only prophecy that shall be fulfilled when Damascus in Syria falls in the hands of the Turic - Muslim Brotherhood... Next shall be Tel Aviv... [link to www.ynetnews.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30219767 United States 12/18/2012 05:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Obama pulls US War Fleet from Syrian waters. Betrays 5 US Allies and allows huge Russian arms shipments to Syria. :0612043::7491t9: If it was "just a case of betraying Israel" then I dare say that most of you could care less. Tho I think that you'll soon care more when your hunting for rats in the sewers to find your next meal. The UK and French governments obviously gave their quiet approval for this move, so Europe will pay as well. No one betrays Israel and just walks. Quoting: Judethz US pulls war fleet from Syrian water. Ahmadinejad cancels Turkey visit Washington quietly recalled from Syrian waters the USS Eisenhower aircraft carrier and its strike group and the USS Iwo Jima Amphibious Ready group and the 2,000 Marines on their decks. This US fleet, now on its way to home base, stayed opposite the Syrian coast from the third week of November ready to take part in direct US intervention in the Syrian conflict. Now that the American warships are gone, Russia’s Black Sea Fleet task force, which docked at the Syrian port of Tartus on Dec. 5, is the only war fleet remaining around the Syrian coast. According to debkafile’s intelligence sources, the Russian ships came to deliver a large consignment of arms for Bashar Assad’s army, US naval, air and marine forces pulled back from the eastern Mediterranean, to be replaced American-manned Patriot missile interceptors just as Syria became engulfed in another peak wave of violence. This deeply perturbs Syria’s neighbors, Turkey, Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Israel. They all fear Assad’s Scud missiles fitted with chemical warheads are pointed at them, no less than rebel forces, and he will have no qualms about shooting or dropping them against any of those neighbors if he becomes desperate. Their intelligence agencies believe the Syrian ruler is just as likely to direct chemical weapons against US military facilities on their soil. Although the five governments are not openly criticizing the Obama administration, a senior Turkish officer in Ankara said to debkafile’s sources that America’s action in removing its naval forces from the eastern Mediterranean is “hard to understand and unacceptable to Ankara.” This is especially so, he said, in view of the discovery, reported by US official sources Friday, that the Syrian ruler has a larger chemical arsenal than previously believed – several dozen bombs and shells loaded with the lethal chemical sarin. To appease the Turks, our sources report that Defense Secretary Leon Panetta paid a short visit Friday, Dec. 14, to the big air base in southern Turkey where US strike aircraft are stationed alongside Turkish warplanes. Panetta also conferred with Defense Minister Ismet Yilmaz, Turkish Chief of Staff Gen. Necdet Ozel and senior US commanders, including NATO chief, Adm. James Stavridis. The admiral said after the meeting: “Over the past few days, a handful of Scud missiles were launched inside Syria, directed by the regime against opposition targets. Several landed fairly close to the Turkish border, which is very worrisome.” Edited to under 50% with link [link to www.debka.com] "[Even] these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind." Leviticus 11:22 "And John was clothed with camel's hair, and with a girdle of a skin about his loins; and he did eat locusts and wild honey;" Mark 1:6 "For the head of Syria [is] Damascus, and the head of Damascus [is] Rezin; and within threescore and five years shall Ephraim be broken, that it be not a people. "And the head of Ephraim [is] Samaria, and the head of Samaria [is] Remaliah's son. If ye will not believe, surely ye shall not be established." Isaiah 7:8&9 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27211004 Canada 12/18/2012 06:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Obama pulls US War Fleet from Syrian waters. Betrays 5 US Allies and allows huge Russian arms shipments to Syria. :0612043::7491t9: If it was "just a case of betraying Israel" then I dare say that most of you could care less. Tho I think that you'll soon care more when your hunting for rats in the sewers to find your next meal. The UK and French governments obviously gave their quiet approval for this move, so Europe will pay as well. No one betrays Israel and just walks. Quoting: Judethz US pulls war fleet from Syrian water. Ahmadinejad cancels Turkey visit Washington quietly recalled from Syrian waters the USS Eisenhower aircraft carrier and its strike group and the USS Iwo Jima Amphibious Ready group and the 2,000 Marines on their decks. This US fleet, now on its way to home base, stayed opposite the Syrian coast from the third week of November ready to take part in direct US intervention in the Syrian conflict. Now that the American warships are gone, Russia’s Black Sea Fleet task force, which docked at the Syrian port of Tartus on Dec. 5, is the only war fleet remaining around the Syrian coast. According to debkafile’s intelligence sources, the Russian ships came to deliver a large consignment of arms for Bashar Assad’s army, US naval, air and marine forces pulled back from the eastern Mediterranean, to be replaced American-manned Patriot missile interceptors just as Syria became engulfed in another peak wave of violence. This deeply perturbs Syria’s neighbors, Turkey, Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Israel. They all fear Assad’s Scud missiles fitted with chemical warheads are pointed at them, no less than rebel forces, and he will have no qualms about shooting or dropping them against any of those neighbors if he becomes desperate. Their intelligence agencies believe the Syrian ruler is just as likely to direct chemical weapons against US military facilities on their soil. Although the five governments are not openly criticizing the Obama administration, a senior Turkish officer in Ankara said to debkafile’s sources that America’s action in removing its naval forces from the eastern Mediterranean is “hard to understand and unacceptable to Ankara.” This is especially so, he said, in view of the discovery, reported by US official sources Friday, that the Syrian ruler has a larger chemical arsenal than previously believed – several dozen bombs and shells loaded with the lethal chemical sarin. To appease the Turks, our sources report that Defense Secretary Leon Panetta paid a short visit Friday, Dec. 14, to the big air base in southern Turkey where US strike aircraft are stationed alongside Turkish warplanes. Panetta also conferred with Defense Minister Ismet Yilmaz, Turkish Chief of Staff Gen. Necdet Ozel and senior US commanders, including NATO chief, Adm. James Stavridis. The admiral said after the meeting: “Over the past few days, a handful of Scud missiles were launched inside Syria, directed by the regime against opposition targets. Several landed fairly close to the Turkish border, which is very worrisome.” Edited to under 50% with link [link to www.debka.com] So you satanic fake jews are going to make countries includeing the USA starve? |
Mary User ID: 20541213 United States 12/18/2012 06:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Obama pulls US War Fleet from Syrian waters. Betrays 5 US Allies and allows huge Russian arms shipments to Syria. Judeth, hi Forget posting Jack Chick's link... A message to a Protestant messenger. I believe God speaks to Catholics and Protestants. + + + JUDY CURMI AS GOES ISRAEL - SO GOES THE CHURCH 11-18-2012 Some of my children have distanced themselves from the apple of my eye (Israel) and sided with the enemy. [Zech. 2:8] I am not always pleased with the behavior of my children there (Israel), but they are mine. Don’t you know this country (this piece of land) is part of my inheritance? [Ps. 2:6-9, Joel 3:1-2] I AM going to reign from Mount Zion in Jerusalem.* Her enemies want to devour her as a huge monster with iron teeth that wants to chew up and destroy everything in its path. My children should be on the side of righteousness. This righteousness is clearly described in my Word. It does not include any of the things I hate! Prov. 6:16-19 These six things the Lord hates, Yes, seven are an abomination to Him: A proud look, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that are swift in running to evil, a false witness who speaks lies, and one who sows discord among brethren. [NKJ] The fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by the peacemakers. The peacemakers do not desire hurt for any, yet they do NOT compromise with evil in order to bring peace. I never compromised with evil and I expect my church to do likewise. Those who think they can accomplish “good” from evil are wrong. Goodness has its reward, while evil has its reward also. The two never meet because their fruit is so different. You cannot take a rock and call it an apple! You cannot take a piece of dung and call it an orange! My kingdom is joy and peace in the Holy Ghost. It is goodness, love and sharing. It is not threats. It is not anger, accusations, lying or bullying. It is not thinking of ways to harm or get the best of your neighbor. It does not connive ways to get the upper hand! The days ahead are going to be full of sorrows and troubles, but my bride will shine like the sun. She will be radiant with my glory. She will be set apart and stand apart from the world. Those who think they can compromise with evil in regards to Israel are wrong, for as you compromise with evil you allow an entryway for the takeover of your own soul by a spirit that is not holy. Fighting against me for what YOU proclaim to be “good” will bring your downfall. You are enslaved by what you hate. Many who call themselves my children hate Israel and are proclaiming another gospel that does not come from me. This is dangerous, fool hardy and foolish. I can deal with the Jewish people and the people living within the boundaries of the country of Israel. My Word is replete with descriptions of what I have done regarding Israel – how I have blessed them and how I have chastised them. If you choose against my chosen people you have chosen against ME, for in the end I will save them. My Word proclaims this! [Zech. 12:8-14, Zech. 13:8-9, Mal.3:1-4] As goes Israel, so goes the church. If you desire the downfall of Israel you are asking for your own downfall as well. Be wise, not foolish. Study my Word – ALL OF IT! Time is short and many are choosing incorrectly. Your incorrect decisions can lead to fruit that will be like a millstone, dragging you down to perdition. If you cannot even recognize my chosen people and have no faith that I can deal with them, how do you expect me to recognize you, for surely you are abiding in the enemy’s camp. Your Jesus *Ps. 48:1-2, Ps. 110:2, Ps. 132:13-14, Isa. 2:3-4, Isa. 8:18, Isa. 18:8, Isa. 24:23, Mich. 4:7, Zech. 8:2 |
Judethz (OP) User ID: 20521597 United Kingdom 12/18/2012 06:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Obama pulls US War Fleet from Syrian waters. Betrays 5 US Allies and allows huge Russian arms shipments to Syria. As for trapping Australian fauna, you don't get much of a feed from lizzies and other reptiles, so i tend to go for Wombats and Kangaroos, on the odd occasion, a Koala. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20359894 I'm sure a few million other Ozzie's will also have the same idea. And the supply of wombats, kangaroos koalas and crockadillies is limited. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29075705 Germany 12/18/2012 06:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Obama pulls US War Fleet from Syrian waters. Betrays 5 US Allies and allows huge Russian arms shipments to Syria. Helping RADICAL ISLAMISTS AND AL CIA EDA, SORRY ALQAEDA, IS NOT VERY NICE MOVE. US has become desperate empire in its decline. That is why will crumble in the ruins. Boromir, Macedonia |
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Kydofusa User ID: 30068614 United States 12/18/2012 06:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Obama pulls US War Fleet from Syrian waters. Betrays 5 US Allies and allows huge Russian arms shipments to Syria. Honestly, I think it is best this way. Russia has made it very clear that they want everyone to stay out of it. Obama is playing it smart. We've already got heat going with North Korea, and we don't need any more agitation on out foreign relations. I don't care how pro America you are, The United States vs. The Entire World is a battle we would lose. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 29845915 United Kingdom 12/18/2012 06:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Obama pulls US War Fleet from Syrian waters. Betrays 5 US Allies and allows huge Russian arms shipments to Syria. I don't think Obama would have any say in Syrian-Russian affairs, nor would he have a right to. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20359894 :blackcat: Surely you are aware of the prophecy. Isa 17:1 ¶ The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from [being] a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap. Perhaps you can get hold of a KJV of the bible and read up while you are waiting for your traps to catch some snakes and lizards for your next meal. While your hiding in the outback after your cities go up in smoke. Cities are much more likely to go up in smoke if the US attempts to prevent Russia from supplying its allies. US needs to butt out of the whole region. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27211004 Canada 12/18/2012 06:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Obama pulls US War Fleet from Syrian waters. Betrays 5 US Allies and allows huge Russian arms shipments to Syria. :cowgal: So it does not bother you a bit that the government of the USA has just betrayed 5 important allies. Turkey, Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Israel. I guess that the dumbed down American educational system can be real proud of you. Do you get paid to write this bullshit? Do Jews do things for free? |