EDOM DOESN'T EXIST AND JESUS DOESN'T MENTION IT IN BIBLE PROPHECY.

Neim-Ya'shar WHAT YOU DID WAS COWARDLY AND IGNORANT. WHEN IS EDOM MENTIONED IN REVELATION AS OPPOSED TO GOG AND MAGOG WHICH IS?

CAN YOU ANSWER SHAMAR? YOUR FRIEND BANNED ME FROM ASKING TO MANY PRESSING QUESTIONS TO HIS THEORY

Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.

I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.
I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.
I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.
I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.

HEY SHAMAR YOU POSTED THIS QUOTE AND TOOK IT COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTEXT. HOW DOES THIS SAY THAT EDOM IS PROPHESIED IN REVELATION?

History records that the Edomites were ravaged by the Babylonian armies in the early 6th Century BC, and that near the end of the 6th Century BC, the Nabateans attacked the Edomites, driving them from their mountain fortresses of Mount Seir, into the Negev Desert to the west.

The ancient prophecies against Edom were completely fulfilled, and there is no need to look for those prophecies to be fulfilled yet again today, especially since the Edomites no longer exist as an identifiable nation or ethnic group.

Dan: 11:41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.

This is an account of last-day events. This is the other half of the two prophetic books which unlock each other. It would certainly seem to be mirroring what is happening in that region as we speak. Thus far, it certainly appears that those three regions (even though there is some talk among certain circles that there is danger there of falling along with the other "Arab Spring" nations) are "relatively stable". Egypt and Libya (the two most surprising nations to fall in the manner they did) are mentioned in verse 42 and 43, and "he" (the "king" mentioned earlier in the chapter) "will do according to his will".

Now, it would certainly appear that it is "Islam" who is "speaking marvelous things against the God of gods" and "shall magnify himself above all" and "shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done." (time of judgement--margin).

Islam could certainly be called one who "honors the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not". In the Seventh Day Adventist understanding of the history behind all of this, it is really ROME who is pulling all the strings in the background--honoring their gods "with gold, and silver, and with precious stones and pleasant things."

Satan is a master manipulator and these events immediately precede Chapter 12 which states: "And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation".

Edom may not exist as a nation, but it certainly seems to have a central role in the area IN LAST DAY EVENTS.

The book by Uriah Smith titled "Thoughts on Daniel and Revelation", a historical treatise on the role of Islam, the influences of Rome on its beginnings, is an excellent resource on the major players during this period (of which we seem to be in the middle of). It is online and can be read at your leisure. We need FACTS before we can make honest conclusions about these things. Our salvation may DEPEND on it.

Did he ban you and delete your comments too? He is truly pathetic and a false teacher who cannot handle people not agreeing with his warped Afrocentric rubbish. It says a lot about him, he is anti-Christ.

Here's what I posted in the other thread:

the nation of Esau most certainly does exist, and is all around us. Esau's blessing included dominion over Israel -- I'd say those days are here now. Esau has thrown off the Yoke of Israel....

(Blessing to Esau) Gen 27:39 And Isaac his father answered and said unto him, Behold, thy dwelling shall be the
fatness of the earth, and of the dew of heaven from above;
Gen 27:40 And by thy sword shalt thou live, and shalt serve thy brother; and it shall come to
pass when thou shalt have the dominion, that thou shalt break his yoke from off thy neck.

the desolation of the nation of Edom is yet to come..... it is still future.

Is. 63: "Who is this coming from Edom, in crimson-stained garments from the city of Bozrah? Glorious in His apparel, striding triumphantly in the greatness of his strength?

OP, read this link, I think it is very helpful in understanding Esau/Edom:

[link to themessianicmessage.com]

So is Neim, black or a 'native American'?

Esau was a person, Edom was the land. The OP is right in that regards.

Read the link, it is very helpful in understanding.

14 David stationed garrisons in Edom; he put garrisons throughout all of Edom, and all the people of Edom became subject to him. Adonai gave victory to David wherever he went.

The people of Edom = "Edomites"

ISLAM WAS CREATED BY ISRAELS INVADER'S. YOU HAVE IT BACKWARDS. ISLAM WAS ENFORCED BY GOG AND MAGOG WHO ARE ALSO BEHIND THE VATICAN AND THE ROYAL FAMILIES AND THE DISCOVERERS OF ALL THE NEW WORLD. ISLAM WAS A RESULT OF SLAVERY. THE GOD OF FORCES IS IN REGARDS TO THOSE WHO PARTICIPATED IN THE CRUSADE'S AND CONJURED UP THE FAKE IMAGE AND FAKE NAME JESUS AND GAVE HIM A PHONEY IMAGE. YAHUSHUA IS HIS REAL NAME AND HE NEVER WANTED ANY NATION TO PILLAGE AND PLUNDER FOR HIM. YAHUSHUA SAYS IT IS ONLY HYPOCRITES THAT PRAY IN SYNAGOGUES. SO ALL THESE RELIGIONS AND TEMPLE'S ARE FALSE. YAHUSHUA'S WORDS ARE TRUE. ISLAM IS A PART OF THE ISRAELITES CURSE. THE NATIVE CULTURE'S OF THE NEW WORLD LIKE THE COLUMBIANS WHO WERE IN ISRAEL BEFORE 1492 AND FORCED TO CONVERT TO ROMAN CATHOLICISM. THEY WERE SLAVES BEFORE THE AFRICANS WERE. THIS IS THE REAL DECEPTION OF WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING TO THE TRUE BLOODLINE OF ISRAEL THIS DAY AND AGE. THE AGE OF DISCOVERY IS WHEN THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH WERE POPULATED WITH ISRAELITE SLAVES, EVEN BEFORE THE AFRICAN SLAVES.

Actually, it is you who have things backwards, but I wouldn't expect anything different than this coming from a "sacred namer" such as yourself. Any simple google search shows that sacred namers such as yourself twist the scriptures to show your "revisionist history". ANY scholar of the original languages show the ignorance of how you all come to your "sacred names" of the Father and the Son both by thinking that you actually have a grasp of the language when, more than likely, you glean your information from some concordance or similar reference material that only gives limited insight into the language itself. Sacred namers such as yourself paint yourselves into a corner with your exclusivity. Your reasoning is woefully inadequate and dangerous. Who crucified our Savior? It was ROME. Who did Rome choose to lead the nation? It was none other than HEROD who was SYRIAN. Who were the the priests of the nation? They were hand-picked cronies of ROME, the original priests were all MURDERED by ROME. It was Rome who salivated over Jerusalem and USED Islam (which was HEAVILY influenced by Jesuits--the ONLY "Christian" influence in the time of Mohammed)to invade Israel to get what they wanted in the first place; and then sent in the Crusaders to "liberate" the Holy Land. It is ROME who has the only extraterritorial status in Jerusalem and PRIMED to set up its THRONE in the Temple and proclaim itself as God (which it already does as "God's Vicar"). You only see the "red letters" as the words of Christ. THE WHOLE BIBLE IS THE WORD OF CHRIST. You can't just pick and choose what is REALITY. He has innumerable names--most of which you seem to be totally unaware of. You try to limit God and bring Him down to YOUR standard. Our God is a SELF-REVEALING GOD. In Heaven, He even has a NEW NAME that only HE knows. He gives US names that only WE know. Take the challenge. Google what the SCHOLARS say about Sacred Namers. They don't paint you in a very good light. I've yet to see anything to disprove them.

What has the name of Aheyeh have to do with any of this?

And actually, Herod was an Edomite.

The vatican created islam........for a reason. And no, the whole bible is not the word of *christ*.....there is a ton on false lies added

Last Edited by If You Only Knew on 12/20/2012 06:39 PM

Op, did you call me Jezebel, or would that have been your friend from Brazil?

OP, did you miss the scripture where Messiah trods upon Edom upon His return?

If Edom is gone, non existant than, how do you explain that scripture?

:african: I knows dat be's right. Fo shizzle.

The Nabataeans, also Nabateans (Arabic: الأنباط‎ al-ʾAnbāṭ), were ancient peoples of North Arabia, whose oasis settlements in AD 37 – c. 100, gave the name of Nabatene to the borderland between Arabia and Syria, from the Euphrates to the Red Sea.

Herod was NOT native Edomite. He was the PRODUCT of Edom and the Nabataeans (between North Arabia and SYRIA.) In other words he was ARAB, a murderer of MANY Rabbis (mentioned in the Wikpedia article above), one of many who were not native but took upon themselves the rites and rituals of Israel. Man, I've known this stuff since the fifties. I even remember a movie once made way back then that showed EXACTLY how I am describing it right down to Herod's Syrian lineage and him murdering the High Priest and all the attendent priests.

Also, what part of the Scriptures own warning against taking away from Scripture or adding to it do you not understand. In 50 years of study into the word, I have not found ONE contradiction or lie. I have only found contradictions and lies in men who CLAIM that they can see what no other can. Christ is AUTHOR and FINISHER, the Alpha and Omega. It is through Christ that all things were made. He is THE WORD. By the apostles own admission, ALL of the world's books could not contain all that Christ said and did while He was here on earth--let alone from Creation. You misrepresent the Word of God, and by extension the Author of that Word. I would tremble with fear if I ever presumed to place myself in the judgement seat to judge which was relevant and which was (God forbid) to be ignored (at the peril of our souls). There is much disinformation in this thread and I can only pray to God that it is done in ignorance and not by deliberate design. There are very specific rewards to those who "teach" contrary to the Inspired Word.

well, in 50 years of study, you have missed a few things. would you like a few examples?

Herod was born in southern Palestine; his father, Antipater, was an Edomite (an Arab from the region between the Dead Sea and the Gulf of Aqaba). Antipater was a man of great influence and wealth, who increased both by marrying the daughter of a noble from Petra (in southwestern Jordan), at that time the capital of the rising Nabataean kingdom. Thus Herod was, although a practicing Jew, of Arab origin on both sides.

[link to www.britannica.com]

do you realize that for hundreds of years the scriptures were in only the hands of the levitical priests and the scribes, taught as the word of God, to the people.......these same priests and scribes who also worked under some of the most evil kings of Israel, who warranted the condemnation of the Most High. Do you honestly believe that these words penned by these guys were the Holy Spirit inspired, unerrant Word of God? then WHY did He send His prophets to keep bringing this *inerrant* people BACK to HIM?

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Edom = jews


Edom lost a war with Israel in the 2nd century BC
and was forced to "convert", creating Edomite-jews.
Now they are just called "jews" because REAL Israel
became Christians just as Jesus said they would.

And yes, they are mentioned in prophecy/


" I know the blasphemy of those who say they are jews
but are not, but are the synagogue of satan. "



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