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This is a set-up! They know gun confiscation is the ONLY WAY to a guaranteed Civil War | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 26490972  United States12/21/2012 07:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Riverman User ID: 1487773  Netherlands12/21/2012 07:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quote: Don't worry. This administration will soon make every person who supports the 2nd Amendment look like enemies of the state. They'll twist shit around and pit gun owners against non gun owners if they have to. This admin is shithouse corrupt, and doesn't really care how many lies and "events" need to be carried out before they get their Reaction: They won't. Its exactly the kind of misplaced mistrust rednecks try to keep relying on. This administration is doing their best, your political system is rotten: just two parties, the fact that multinationals can support political campaigns. Take a look at yourself for fuck sake: you keep this political system intact, you keep this weapon policies intact.. its easy to blame all the shit at 'the illumaniti', but without any factual proof its nothing more then the biblical shit your parents raised you on. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30525185 United States12/21/2012 07:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm not gonna lie though, African Americans and other minority groups would be idiotic if they were to oppose the govt. Because if this ever leads to a civil war, and the govt loses, the winning Bill of Rights upholding people will most likely treat you like complete shit. After all, the original Bill of Rights were written only for white American men. You may be enslaved again. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30403256 United States12/21/2012 07:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “Confiscation could be an option. Mandatory sale to the state could be an option. Permitting could be an option — keep your gun but permit it.” Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29412599 [link to offgridsurvival.com] "permits" are registration of all guns. Precursor to confiscation. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 29412599 United States12/21/2012 07:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | follow the string op...nice catch, now heres a question will civil war actually be allowed or will it be forced to a breaking point and then pulled back with some minor consolations from the power...ie. a few arrests of "crooked" politicians, and a finacial re-eval that will even the books a bit in america's caste system Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20056488 Well looks like they were trying to start a race war back with the Treyyvon debacle, but that didn't do it. I think they WANT a civil war. They're stacking the logs, and the media will add the fuel. Another event and it's a done deal. But that's just MY opinion. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30403256 United States12/21/2012 07:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Americans will NEVER rise up and fight no matter what.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18133274 WHY??..cause MOST of em are so damn fat they could only fit about ten to a street at a time..and the effort of having to maybe RUN??..THATS whats really gonna stop em...just changing mags would get most of em out of breath. And they would stop the riot every two minutes for a beer and pizza break and to see whos winning dancing with the stars and to check the sports results. Maybe, but there are at least 100,000,000 of them so it won't be a cakewalk. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30562031  Bahamas12/21/2012 07:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What the second amendment really means and why guns should be banned for citizens because it was never legal. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30562031 The second amendment is a misinterpretation Many people think the second amendment is A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. But all respected historians know that is an error the second amendment actually says. A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear armor shall not be infringed:in times of war Now using the correct version you can see that the second amendment actually is intended for the people to use offense weapons and protect themselves with body armor.Instead of defensive weapons such as guns. On that merit alone,guns should be banned because they never were suppose to be legal for citizens anyway. The second amendment is a misinterpretation [link to en.wikipedia.org] Only in times of war should a citizen have armor. A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear armor shall not be infringed:in times of war Well regulated    We regulated use of body armor fool to protect against tyranny study your history because your just digging a hole for yourself. If I have convinced one evil person to donate their gun to law enforcement I have done my job |
| Riverman User ID: 1487773 Netherlands12/21/2012 07:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In the end so many americans are wealthy enough to play with the idea of 'civil war'. As a luxuy problem. And you will have also have shortminded, ignorant rednecks, christards who will come up with fables about civil war, when a stable society doesnt benefit from that kind of crap. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 22017972 United States12/21/2012 07:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Americans will NEVER rise up and fight no matter what.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18133274 WHY??..cause MOST of em are so damn fat they could only fit about ten to a street at a time..and the effort of having to maybe RUN??..THATS whats really gonna stop em...just changing mags would get most of em out of breath. And they would stop the riot every two minutes for a beer and pizza break and to see whos winning dancing with the stars and to check the sports results. You need to come hunting with me in West Virginia. The real estate is mostly vertical. And damn near everyone has better arms than the US Army, and arsenals of it. IF you survive you will have a totally different stereotype of the American male. Yup, again my WV brethren nailed this one. I kid you not when i state every family I know literally has 20 fire arms to each house hold, from scoped deer rifles, Ars AKs SKSs, to grandpa's ol shotgun. I think thats a bit difficult to completely confiscate, and most of them regard them not for hunting at all. We live in a state that has a history of corporate and government rape that is only a couple generations removed (Mine Wars). In fact we are the only state to be bombed by our own air force during the miner rebellion. That battle was waged with Merc and US military against simple miner families. However most people cant remember past 3 days ago including our noble Aussie cousins. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30593155 United States12/21/2012 07:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What the second amendment really means and why guns should be banned for citizens because it was never legal. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30562031 The second amendment is a misinterpretation Many people think the second amendment is A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. But all respected historians know that is an error the second amendment actually says. A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear armor shall not be infringed:in times of war Now using the correct version you can see that the second amendment actually is intended for the people to use offense weapons and protect themselves with body armor.Instead of defensive weapons such as guns. On that merit alone,guns should be banned because they never were suppose to be legal for citizens anyway. The second amendment is a misinterpretation fuck off, mon. mon is from jamaica dumbass |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 8397139 United States12/21/2012 07:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Americans will NEVER rise up and fight no matter what.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18133274 WHY??..cause MOST of em are so damn fat they could only fit about ten to a street at a time..and the effort of having to maybe RUN??..THATS whats really gonna stop em...just changing mags would get most of em out of breath. And they would stop the riot every two minutes for a beer and pizza break and to see whos winning dancing with the stars and to check the sports results. Maybe, but there are at least 100,000,000 of them so it won't be a cakewalk. And imagine if 3% of gunowners actively resisted confiscation - same percentage that fought the fucking British in the Revolution. 3,000,000 people. It'd be a fucking nightmare. Of epic proportions. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 22017972 United States12/21/2012 07:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In the end so many americans are wealthy enough to play with the idea of 'civil war'. As a luxuy problem. Quoting: Riverman 1487773 And you will have also have shortminded, ignorant rednecks, christards who will come up with fables about civil war, when a stable society doesnt benefit from that kind of crap. Wow you will continue blab blab blabbing your nonsense. Again why do you even care, you are a euro slave, you have no stake or say in what we do, like I have no stake or say in what Liberians do. Tell you what since you seem so invested come help me disarm myself. |
Lemaus  User ID: 14536050 United States12/21/2012 07:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quote: Quoting: Riverman 1487773 Yeah what is happening in America should concern us all. The only thing that is stopping the NWO is Americas gun ownership. Once America topples, the rest of the western nations follow. So the whole agenda rests on America being de-weaponised for all the other dominoes to fall. Reaction: Total nonsense. People who keep defending the gun-fetish of american southerners, overrate america's position in the world: they want to be part of a lot of useless surface, while the world goes on. Australia, New Sealand, Canada or Western Europe has ultimately nothing to do with the culture of violence and ignorance in the states: ultimately it isnt the fault of the more liberal, western ones in that society, but you have the religious ones, the redneck ones trying to limit freedom of speech to the bible, the trailer parks, the ignorance. So what your implying is...the above mentioned countries have no culture of violence.... First, all four of those regions participated in several of the last few police actions around the world either financialy or tacticly(psst, these are usually quite violent) Second, most of western europe has been built on violence(oh yeah recently, we havent forgoten Nazi Germany. Or is that stone age?) Third, it is really obvious you know very little about actual Americans and alot about the propaganda you have been spoon fed. As for me, all I know is that I know nothing. -Socrates |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 16559138  Australia12/21/2012 07:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Americans will NEVER rise up and fight no matter what.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18133274 WHY??..cause MOST of em are so damn fat they could only fit about ten to a street at a time..and the effort of having to maybe RUN??..THATS whats really gonna stop em...just changing mags would get most of em out of breath. And they would stop the riot every two minutes for a beer and pizza break and to see whos winning dancing with the stars and to check the sports results. Maybe, but there are at least 100,000,000 of them so it won't be a cakewalk. And imagine if 3% of gunowners actively resisted confiscation - same percentage that fought the fucking British in the Revolution. 3,000,000 people. It'd be a fucking nightmare. Of epic proportions. AND THATS why I wrote what I did. Use what you have. But be aware..they have more than GUNS. How are ya gonna defend against the frequency weapons??? |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29271249 United States12/21/2012 07:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quote: Quoting: Riverman 1487773 Yeah what is happening in America should concern us all. The only thing that is stopping the NWO is Americas gun ownership. Once America topples, the rest of the western nations follow. So the whole agenda rests on America being de-weaponised for all the other dominoes to fall. Reaction: Total nonsense. People who keep defending the gun-fetish of american southerners, overrate america's position in the world: they want to be part of a lot of useless surface, while the world goes on. Australia, New Sealand, Canada or Western Europe has ultimately nothing to do with the culture of violence and ignorance in the states: ultimately it isnt the fault of the more liberal, western ones in that society, but you have the religious ones, the redneck ones trying to limit freedom of speech to the bible, the trailer parks, the ignorance. [link to www.thedailybeast.com] The Most Armed States in the US 1, Kentucky Population:4,314,113 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents (Dec. 2008 – May 2010): 134,028 2, Utah Population:2,784,572 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 30,315 3, Montana Population:974,989 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 25,745 4, Wyoming Population:544,270 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 22,827 5, Alaska Population:698,473 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 22,273 6, West Virginia Population:1,819,777 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 21,455 7, South Dakota Population:812,383 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 19,062 8, North Dakota Population:646,844 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 17,829 9, Arkansas Population:2,889,450 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 17,483 10, Alabama Population:4,708,708 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 16,860 11, Tennessee Population: 6,296,254 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 16,684 12, Oklahoma Population: 3,687,050 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 15,801 13, Idaho Population: 1,545,801 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 15,764 14, Colorado Population: 5,024,748 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 15,086 15, Missouri Population: 5,987,580 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 14,712 16, New Hampshire Population: 1,324,575 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 14,522 17, Mississippi Population: 2,951,996 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 14,165 18, Illinois Population: 12,910,409 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 13,879 19, Connecticut Population: 3,518,288 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 13,783 20, New Mexico Population: 2,009,671 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 13,408 21, Louisiana Population: 4,492,076 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 13,329 22, Minnesota Population: 5,266,214 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 13,285 23, Kansas Population: 2,818,747 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 12,516 24, Washington Population: 6,664,195 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 12,508 25, Pennsylvania Population: 12,604,767 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 12,449 26, Oregon Population: 3,825,657 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 12,059 27, Indiana Population: 6,423,113 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 11,614 28, South Carolina Population: 4,561,242 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 11,578 29, Maine Population: 1,318,301 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 11,528 30, Virginia Population: 7,882,590 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 10,134 31, Iowa Population: 3,007,856 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 10,127 32, Nevada Population: 2,643,085 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 10,115 33, Texas Population: 24,782,302 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 9,936 34, North Carolina Population: 9,380,884 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 9,411 35, Vermont Population: 621,760 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 9,366 36, Georgia Population: 9,829,211 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 9,200 37, Michigan Population: 9,969,727 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 9,030 38, Wisconsin Population: 5,654,774 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 8,534 39, Ohio Population: 11,542,645 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 8,491 40, Nebraska Population: 1,796,619 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 8,081 41, Arizona Population: 6,595,778 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 7,954 42, Florida Population: 18,537,969 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 7,510 43, Delaware Population: 885,122 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 5,636 44, California Population: 36,961,664 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 5,444 45, Maryland Population: 5,699,478 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 4,040 46, Massachusetts Population: 6,593,587 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 3,796 47, Rhode Island Population: 1,053,209 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 3,504 48, New York Population: 19,541,453 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 3,047 49, Hawaii Population: 1,295,178 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 2,031 50, New Jersey Population: 8,707,739 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 1,536 51, Washington, D.C. Population: 599,657 NICS background checks per 100,000 residents: 155 Just from a purely logical and logistical viewpoint, you ain't gonna confiscate all those guns any time soon, let alone expect everybody to comply without a considerable amount of violent resistance. It's insane for anyone who does the math to even go there. However, the collective insanity that has resulted in millions of needless deaths at the hands of various sovereign governments across the planet in the last hundred years does look like it could trump any logical or logistical viewpoints on this issue. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 22017972 United States12/21/2012 07:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Americans will NEVER rise up and fight no matter what.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18133274 WHY??..cause MOST of em are so damn fat they could only fit about ten to a street at a time..and the effort of having to maybe RUN??..THATS whats really gonna stop em...just changing mags would get most of em out of breath. And they would stop the riot every two minutes for a beer and pizza break and to see whos winning dancing with the stars and to check the sports results. Maybe, but there are at least 100,000,000 of them so it won't be a cakewalk. And imagine if 3% of gunowners actively resisted confiscation - same percentage that fought the fucking British in the Revolution. 3,000,000 people. It'd be a fucking nightmare. Of epic proportions. AND THATS why I wrote what I did. Use what you have. But be aware..they have more than GUNS. How are ya gonna defend against the frequency weapons??? Americans will NEVER rise up and fight no matter what.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18133274 WHY??..cause MOST of em are so damn fat they could only fit about ten to a street at a time..and the effort of having to maybe RUN??..THATS whats really gonna stop em...just changing mags would get most of em out of breath. And they would stop the riot every two minutes for a beer and pizza break and to see whos winning dancing with the stars and to check the sports results. Maybe, but there are at least 100,000,000 of them so it won't be a cakewalk. And imagine if 3% of gunowners actively resisted confiscation - same percentage that fought the fucking British in the Revolution. 3,000,000 people. It'd be a fucking nightmare. Of epic proportions. AND THATS why I wrote what I did. Use what you have. But be aware..they have more than GUNS. How are ya gonna defend against the frequency weapons??? Even the death star had a weak spot. I imagine the answer is shoot the operator that is pushing the button steal his lil toy and turn it on the overlords. |
| Mia41 User ID: 2704006 United States12/21/2012 07:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | First they will end unemployment benefits, then offer $$ for your gun because you and your family are hungry and have to pay the power bill and rent. When that $$ runs out for most families, then what? no food, shelter, or a gun for protection. |
| Riverman User ID: 1487773 Netherlands12/21/2012 07:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When do you relitards in the south stop bragging about useless milllitia? If you want to turn your country in some cristian theocracy you can use your political system to start your own political party, and find enough sponsors for that, that freedom you have. At the same time you can expect more liberal groups to use your political system (or the democratic party) to expres themselves. That is what happens in the land of 'the brave and the free' |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 8397139 United States12/21/2012 07:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Americans will NEVER rise up and fight no matter what.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18133274 WHY??..cause MOST of em are so damn fat they could only fit about ten to a street at a time..and the effort of having to maybe RUN??..THATS whats really gonna stop em...just changing mags would get most of em out of breath. And they would stop the riot every two minutes for a beer and pizza break and to see whos winning dancing with the stars and to check the sports results. Maybe, but there are at least 100,000,000 of them so it won't be a cakewalk. And imagine if 3% of gunowners actively resisted confiscation - same percentage that fought the fucking British in the Revolution. 3,000,000 people. It'd be a fucking nightmare. Of epic proportions. AND THATS why I wrote what I did. Use what you have. But be aware..they have more than GUNS. How are ya gonna defend against the frequency weapons??? It seems the Taliban held their own in Afghanistan. Remember also that we had vastly superior technology to that of the Vietnamese. Now sprinkle in some vets and police that are on our side? Whoa baby. Now it's a party.  |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 29412599 United States12/21/2012 07:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Americans will NEVER rise up and fight no matter what.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18133274 WHY??..cause MOST of em are so damn fat they could only fit about ten to a street at a time..and the effort of having to maybe RUN??..THATS whats really gonna stop em...just changing mags would get most of em out of breath. And they would stop the riot every two minutes for a beer and pizza break and to see whos winning dancing with the stars and to check the sports results. Maybe, but there are at least 100,000,000 of them so it won't be a cakewalk. And imagine if 3% of gunowners actively resisted confiscation - same percentage that fought the fucking British in the Revolution. 3,000,000 people. It'd be a fucking nightmare. Of epic proportions. AND THATS why I wrote what I did. Use what you have. But be aware..they have more than GUNS. How are ya gonna defend against the frequency weapons??? Read the thread title again please. |
| myeyesropenow42 User ID: 2704006 United States12/21/2012 07:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They will confiscate and it will start a civil war. THEY KNOW THIS. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29412599 Let them do it but people have to see how they used this same tactic to topple countries. They won't win if history is observed and people take their faces out of the technology they gave as the distraction. Everybody needs to be quiet now and speak to only those who they know and trust like family and closest friends. Prepare together quietly and they will go insane by the stealth that they taught us but didn't think we understood. Fight them in their own darkness until it's time to walk into the light again |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 25651897 United States12/21/2012 07:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How many of them would actually USE their arms to kill? I doubt it would be 97% Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29834999 I'm not anti-guns whatsoever, I just find it hard to believe that A. The army, police would willingly kill American citizens. B. American citizens would willingly kill others if they are given a peaceful option. You are right, 97% would give them up. With 40-50 million gun owners in this country, that leaves a million to a million and a half that wont. If only 100,000 people decide its worth fighting for, it will be a bloodbath. Taking guns away would be a disaster for this country. IT WILL BE THE END OF THE US. It will be end of the US government... |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 29412599 United States12/21/2012 07:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For fuck sake, Quoting: Riverman 1487773 When do you relitards in the south stop bragging about useless milllitia? If you want to turn your country in some cristian theocracy you can use your political system to start your own political party, and find enough sponsors for that, that freedom you have. At the same time you can expect more liberal groups to use your political system (or the democratic party) to expres themselves. That is what happens in the land of 'the brave and the free' |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30248208 United States12/21/2012 07:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Americans will NEVER rise up and fight no matter what.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18133274 WHY??..cause MOST of em are so damn fat they could only fit about ten to a street at a time..and the effort of having to maybe RUN??..THATS whats really gonna stop em...just changing mags would get most of em out of breath. And they would stop the riot every two minutes for a beer and pizza break and to see whos winning dancing with the stars and to check the sports results. Lol key board commando, would never say that in person to anyone |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30099065 United States12/21/2012 07:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Americans will NEVER rise up and fight no matter what.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18133274 WHY??..cause MOST of em are so damn fat they could only fit about ten to a street at a time..and the effort of having to maybe RUN??..THATS whats really gonna stop em...just changing mags would get most of em out of breath. And they would stop the riot every two minutes for a beer and pizza break and to see whos winning dancing with the stars and to check the sports results. You sure have a lot of room to talk, dontcha? And all you fat slobs down there in Austrailia feeling no pain on your larger did exactly that, didn't ya? YES you did!!! None of you lazy ass bastards stood up and did a dam thing and now your country is "gun free". Don't you just love it? Sure you do!! So........stupid Austrailian........SHUT THE FUCK UP...LOSER...YOU FAIL!!!!! People such as yourself give me a reason to continue to isolate myself. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30525185 United States12/21/2012 07:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How many of them would actually USE their arms to kill? I doubt it would be 97% Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29834999 I'm not anti-guns whatsoever, I just find it hard to believe that A. The army, police would willingly kill American citizens. B. American citizens would willingly kill others if they are given a peaceful option. You are right, 97% would give them up. With 40-50 million gun owners in this country, that leaves a million to a million and a half that wont. If only 100,000 people decide its worth fighting for, it will be a bloodbath. Taking guns away would be a disaster for this country. IT WILL BE THE END OF THE US. It will be end of the US government... The govt has nukes and who knows what else. What do the people have? |
