HOW TO "MOVE" THE MOON --- Holy Shit the Moon is a Hologram!!!

Why do you look then?

Yep. The questions are pretty lame. How can I KNOW? I can just imagine. It's not out of the law yet, right?

there is no PROOF anywhere in this thread.... you guys spout out this IF the moon is a hologram shit and pass it off as fact... simply disgusting to know that there are human beings that think this way....

in what way "Lame" ?

They were standard and obvious questions to the claim that the moon is a hologram.

All that is shown in this video is the demonstration of the claim. All this person has to do is find, demonstrate, or prove the existence of the projectors.

It shouldnt be hard for this person to do, if the hologram claim is true.

You bounced a lazer off the moon? Thats so cool can you put a video up for all of us to see? Im so excited

laser not LAZER

but, zvezda, you pour this shit out of your mouth as fact until someone posses a question that you can not answer and then all of a sudden... it's fantasy.

May I ask you a question too?
Why bother with debunking and not try the other way-try to imagine "what if that was true". It's more fun.

You funny people make me laugh. What is your proof it is not true? You must know since you are so confident Show me please show all of us it's impportant to us you see :)

I've been told the sky is blue but that is a perspective. This is what is happening here.

once again.... you only said "what if" once you were asked a question that you obviously could not and would not answer..

i find that concept impossible until i have more evidence.
I ask merely for eveidence.
It is pointless and a waste of time making stupid claims without evidence.

If i were to do that, i may as well believe god exists.

show ME where i said it is not true.... i just said that you morons pass your shit off as fact...

I have no evidence either way.

I am merely asking for evidence of the claim that the moon is a hologram.

Thats what I thought.

Open your eyes and look for yourself if you are on the right side

you got problems man... i cant prove that the moon is "real"... never said i could and i will not try.. but you call everyone shills because you guys are saying that these videos are proof of a hologram and they are not! you made the claim so you must prove it!!

open me eyes??

NO !

It is for the person who makes the claim to show all evidence.

The burden of proof etc..

Are you kidding me? I started with "what if", when he asked "who controls the projectors"
How can I know that? But IF there are projectors, something or somebody is controlling them. Or it's an AI-self controlled.

THIS



[link to www.nizkor.org]
"Description of Burden of Proof

Burden of Proof is a fallacy in which the burden of proof is placed on the wrong side. Another version occurs when a lack of evidence for side A is taken to be evidence for side B in cases in which the burden of proof actually rests on side B. A common name for this is an Appeal to Ignorance. This sort of reasoning typically has the following form:

Claim X is presented by side A and the burden of proof actually rests on side B.
Side B claims that X is false because there is no proof for X.
In many situations, one side has the burden of proof resting on it. This side is obligated to provide evidence for its position. The claim of the other side, the one that does not bear the burden of proof, is assumed to be true unless proven otherwise. The difficulty in such cases is determining which side, if any, the burden of proof rests on. In many cases, settling this issue can be a matter of significant debate. In some cases the burden of proof is set by the situation. For example, in American law a person is assumed to be innocent until proven guilty (hence the burden of proof is on the prosecution). As another example, in debate the burden of proof is placed on the affirmative team. As a final example, in most cases the burden of proof rests on those who claim something exists (such as Bigfoot, psychic powers, universals, and sense data)."

sharks with laser beams

cool.

So when i find myself in court, i can say THERE IS NO BURDEN OF PROOF cos some geezer on tinternet said so??

or:

the moon is a hologram.

Yeah, i believe you without question.

and, i forgot to mention.
IF the claim is true, then surely it should be easy to PROVE IT.

What space ship?

I have half a brain and have done the research, I would like to see your video!
Also, I never knew a laser bounced off a solid object (at a distance that was actualy viable to call it bouncing), the object may refract/splay the particles of the light, but bounce a full reflection off a solid object? (mirrors dont count)

Give these a read...
[link to what-if.xkcd.com]
If every person on Earth aimed a laser pointer at the Moon at the same time, would it change color?
[link to www.afineline.org]
Paint the Moon Project




[link to laserpointerforums.com]

Even as a big group attempt it would be very difficult to produce a visible result.

The dot need not be brighter than the suns reflection: you'd attempt a thing like this on the dark side of the moon, ideally in a new-moon night so that you dont get blinded by the lit side.

In theory, it would work provided you used enough lasers... even if you hit just the surface and it scatters off randomly from there (not using the retroreflectors). The question remains: how many lasers would it take?

Sigar-box math:

- it would take at least several watt/m2 over a large area to be visible on the new moon.

- 1 mrad divergence laser, would light a circular area with 400 km diameter (!), which is a good portion of the size of the lunar surface facing us (its diameter is ca 3500 km).

- a 400 km diameter circle has a surface of 125.000 km2, or 125 billion m2.

- to light this area up with 10 w/m2, it would take 125 trillion watts of laser power

- 625 trillion dilda's would make it possible, provided every person on earth would be able to point 100.000 dilda's at the same area of the moon simultaniously.

Sigar-box conclusion:
It will not work unless we invest all of the earths resources into producing dilda's and batteries, and breed a lot more people to point them ;p


Last Edited by DMTHC on 12/23/2012 06:57 PM

No, they had a plan to blow up a bomb ON the Moon, not blow up the Moon. It was to be a purely visible demonstration to scare the soviets.

Many people (HAM radio enthusiasts) have bounced radio waves off the Moon.

Forgot about that- Still does not answer my question about the lasers though :p

Least I'm learning some new things today

As the albedo (reflecting power of a surface) of the Moon is very low (maximally 12% but usually closer to 7%), and the path loss over the 770,000 kilometre return distance is extreme (around 250 to 310 dB depending on VHF-UHF band used, modulation format and Doppler shift effects), high power (more than 100 watts) and high-gain antennas (more than 20 dB) must be used.
In practice, this limits the use of this technique to the spectrum at VHF and above.
The Moon must be above the horizon in order for EME communications to be possible.


Light and radio waves are both electromagnetic waves. They are simply at different frequencies/wavelengths. Human eyes can perceive only a small fraction of the different wavelengths that are out there. Radio waves have a longer wavelength (or lower frequency) than visible light. EM wavelengths range from the size of a mountain or greater to the size of a single atom, while we can only see roughly 380 nm (violet) to 750 nm (red) wavelengths. Wavelength is inversely proportional to frequency such that the higher wavelengths have lower frequencies (since all EM waves travel at the speed of light, or 3x10^8 meters per second). Almost everything in the universe produces an EM wave at one wavelength or another, including you :)

Last Edited by DMTHC on 12/23/2012 07:10 PM

I've heard it is possible to get a return froma laser without the retroreflector but it requires a higher power pulse and gets a weak diffuse return.