Godlike Productions - Discussion Forum
Users Online Now: 1,219 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 344,424
Pageviews Today: 449,151Threads Today: 148Posts Today: 1,670
03:54 AM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

Sandy Hook "Donation Sites UP Before Shooting!" BUSTED

 
Kissplash

User ID: 18998054
United States
01/07/2013 03:41 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Sandy Hook "Donation Sites UP Before Shooting!" BUSTED
I just looked at the hands of "victim" Lauren Rousseau...

... I'd be willing to bet my entire life's savings that that pic is ENTIRELY Photoshopped. Just look at those hands... they make her look like she's 500 pounds:

[link to assets.nydailynews.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1461405


I was thinking the same thing. A pro wouldn't want her hands to show at all...they would be in her lap.
LEARN HOW TO BE KIND OR BE LEFT BEHIND. OXOXO
ShredHead

User ID: 16445160
United Kingdom
01/07/2013 03:43 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Sandy Hook "Donation Sites UP Before Shooting!" BUSTED
Thought you guys might want to check this out it gives you all the background information on the first website he shows in the video.

[link to www.scamadviser.com]

Go to the above site then type in: newtown.uwwesternct.org/
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1482838
United States
01/07/2013 03:44 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Sandy Hook "Donation Sites UP Before Shooting!" BUSTED
bsflag\

ALL sites are registered and their day of inception is public information. If this is true, what are the domain names?

Or this really about your video getting hits?

It would take less than 2 minutes to prove this correct or false.
 Quoting: Person445


Mistakes happen....but can you explain the overlaid picture of the "dead young lady" with Obama at the end of the video.

Talk about things that make you go Hmmmmmmmhf
 Quoting: CtYankee


That is the dead girl's sister wearing her dress. There were three sisters total. Only two are up there with the President. Her face doesn't even look like Emily Parker's. At least this is what I am assuming. Just because it is the same dress, doesn't mean it is Emily.
Now some of the things that I have seen, do not make sense, but other things, I can see that people are desperate to make their case that this was a Psyop. I admire real factual information, but to assume that this girl with the President is Emily, to me is sloppy assumptions.
 Quoting: Sherrigirl2012


In both the family pics that are circulating, "Emilie"
is added to the right of each via photoshop.

If somebody has the "white" pic handy, too? You can see in the "RED" photo,
that the daughter on the far left has no legs via photoshop error. Then the dad has his ring finger extended so that you don't notice she is also throwing the devil sign (that would be over the top since the smallest child already has assumed this position with the fingers in her mouth.

The photo of Emilie is surrounded by pink flowers not in keeping with the rest of the background and shows that part of their background scenery is morphed over the pink to give continuity. But, the shade of green is off for it to have been on the same shrub.

[link to fotoforensics.com]
Gthree777

User ID: 26647121
United States
01/07/2013 03:49 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Sandy Hook "Donation Sites UP Before Shooting!" BUSTED
What about this one!?

[link to www.youcaring.com]

Look at 12-11-12 and 12-10-12??

What's up with that???
 Quoting: Gthree777


[link to www.youcaring.com]


wtf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30833907


WTF IS RIGHT!!!

Click this link its the same as above people. Dated 12-11-2012 3 days prior............
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1508876


What about this one!?

[link to www.youcaring.com]

Look at 12-11-12 and 12-10-12??

What's up with that???
 Quoting: Gthree777


[link to www.youcaring.com]


wtf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30833907


I know right??
For those that didn't click the link:

2012-12-11 Georgetown University Student Parent Killed in Newtown Shootings Fundraiser

2012-12-10 Fundraiser for the Families Involved in the Tragic Newtown, CT Shootings
 Quoting: Gthree777


What the hell? I am over there looking and those are defiantly dated for the 11th. and 12th.
 Quoting: Nostalgic Rain


Ok, so as per my usual MO, I'll try to debunk what this could be?
I don't know how to do this, but does anyone know how to check and see if these 2 pages were set up originally with different titles?

My thinking is, these could have just been cases of opportunists. IOW- those pages were originally set up for something like donations for abused animals or something similar? Then, when SH happened, these scammers saw an opportunity to cash in, and changed the blog titles?

1) If this is the case, would the dates change when the titles changed?
2) can the titles even be changed?
3) is there a record of some sort that would show either: a) what the original title was or, b) when the title was edited?

Answers to these would certainly help clear some things up.

Along these same lines, I'm wondering what would happen if you set up a google notification alert for "Mass Shooting"? If a blog or news item gets posted with mass shooting in it, you'd be notified right away. This way, we could watch for the next mass shooting to pop up before it actually happens? Is this possible?
Kissplash

User ID: 18998054
United States
01/07/2013 03:54 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Sandy Hook "Donation Sites UP Before Shooting!" BUSTED
bsflag\

ALL sites are registered and their day of inception is public information. If this is true, what are the domain names?

Or this really about your video getting hits?

It would take less than 2 minutes to prove this correct or false.
 Quoting: Person445


Mistakes happen....but can you explain the overlaid picture of the "dead young lady" with Obama at the end of the video.

Talk about things that make you go Hmmmmmmmhf
 Quoting: CtYankee


That is the dead girl's sister wearing her dress. There were three sisters total. Only two are up there with the President. Her face doesn't even look like Emily Parker's. At least this is what I am assuming. Just because it is the same dress, doesn't mean it is Emily.
Now some of the things that I have seen, do not make sense, but other things, I can see that people are desperate to make their case that this was a Psyop. I admire real factual information, but to assume that this girl with the President is Emily, to me is sloppy assumptions.
 Quoting: Sherrigirl2012


In both the family pics that are circulating, "Emilie"
is added to the right of each via photoshop.

If somebody has the "white" pic handy, too? You can see in the "RED" photo,
that the daughter on the far left has no legs via photoshop error. Then the dad has his ring finger extended so that you don't notice she is also throwing the devil sign (that would be over the top since the smallest child already has assumed this position with the fingers in her mouth.

The photo of Emilie is surrounded by pink flowers not in keeping with the rest of the background and shows that part of their background scenery is morphed over the pink to give continuity. But, the shade of green is off for it to have been on the same shrub.

[link to fotoforensics.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1482838


Wow...I didn't even notice the double devil sign! I did however notice that each of them have three fingers exposed and spread. All except for Emilie.
LEARN HOW TO BE KIND OR BE LEFT BEHIND. OXOXO
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 30617504
United States
01/07/2013 03:55 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Sandy Hook "Donation Sites UP Before Shooting!" BUSTED
You know the economy is BAD when the government hires horrible amateur actors!!!! I'm sorry I shouldn't make negative remarks but really!!! Just how stupid do they think we are??? Whoever's idea this was figured we'd be in shock over the children.... But really just how broke are we??? Was this a test? I'm beyond confused!!!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 10190400
United States
01/07/2013 03:57 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Sandy Hook "Donation Sites UP Before Shooting!" BUSTED
How can "they" be so stupid?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1508876


I would say it's arrogance rather than stupidity. Being sure in their belief that everyone would be so overwhelmed with fear and emotion that nobody would dare question anything. Also, in the past, when events have been questioned, peer pressure from the sheep and shills calling others nuts has always worked in their favor. They expected that to be the case in this event too, except the stink on this one is so bad, everybody is smelling it.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1482838
United States
01/07/2013 03:58 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Sandy Hook "Donation Sites UP Before Shooting!" BUSTED
...


Mistakes happen....but can you explain the overlaid picture of the "dead young lady" with Obama at the end of the video.

Talk about things that make you go Hmmmmmmmhf
 Quoting: CtYankee


That is the dead girl's sister wearing her dress. There were three sisters total. Only two are up there with the President. Her face doesn't even look like Emily Parker's. At least this is what I am assuming. Just because it is the same dress, doesn't mean it is Emily.
Now some of the things that I have seen, do not make sense, but other things, I can see that people are desperate to make their case that this was a Psyop. I admire real factual information, but to assume that this girl with the President is Emily, to me is sloppy assumptions.
 Quoting: Sherrigirl2012


In both the family pics that are circulating, "Emilie"
is added to the right of each via photoshop.

If somebody has the "white" pic handy, too? You can see in the "RED" photo,
that the daughter on the far left has no legs via photoshop error. Then the dad has his ring finger extended so that you don't notice she is also throwing the devil sign (that would be over the top since the smallest child already has assumed this position with the fingers in her mouth.

The photo of Emilie is surrounded by pink flowers not in keeping with the rest of the background and shows that part of their background scenery is morphed over the pink to give continuity. But, the shade of green is off for it to have been on the same shrub.

[link to fotoforensics.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1482838


Wow...I didn't even notice the double devil sign! I did however notice that each of them have three fingers exposed and spread. All except for Emilie.
 Quoting: Kissplash


If you zoom it out you can see that his finger was extended via photoshop just to hide it but it makes the finger unnaturally long in the process.

Hey, do you know where the "white" pic is, where the same positions are displayed with Emilie once again as the tacked on kid on the far right, but instead of all in red everybody is wearing white?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 6031754
United States
01/07/2013 04:13 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Sandy Hook "Donation Sites UP Before Shooting!" BUSTED
bump
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1508876
United States
01/07/2013 04:14 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Sandy Hook "Donation Sites UP Before Shooting!" BUSTED
somebody should PIN this....
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 12299680
United States
01/07/2013 04:15 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Sandy Hook "Donation Sites UP Before Shooting!" BUSTED
Talk about a compromised thread... and a compromised forum in general.

Notice that this thread was initally pinned when it only contained easily debunked nonsense. Once we found out some hard facts to prove that one of the donation sites was truly created on December 13th FOR THE SANDY HOOK VICTIMS, what do you know? The thread is unpinned, left to fade away amidst a bunch of new age bullshit.

Also notice how many ratings this rather small thread has--currently, 40. A very high number of ratings for a thread this size. Obviously there is a campaign here at GLP to downvote Sandy Hook threads which contain facts.

Lastly, look at all of the derailers who have come out since the posts about Desaree Juarez's donation page began.

What a waste of time.
s.j
User ID: 31704104
United States
01/07/2013 04:28 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Sandy Hook "Donation Sites UP Before Shooting!" BUSTED
so money was a reason why the vicsims and "survivors" look so damn happy in the photo/sigh ops
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1472892
Israel
01/07/2013 04:32 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Sandy Hook "Donation Sites UP Before Shooting!" BUSTED
Talk about a compromised thread... and a compromised forum in general.

Notice that this thread was initally pinned when it only contained easily debunked nonsense. Once we found out some hard facts to prove that one of the donation sites was truly created on December 13th FOR THE SANDY HOOK VICTIMS, what do you know? The thread is unpinned, left to fade away amidst a bunch of new age bullshit.

Also notice how many ratings this rather small thread has--currently, 40. A very high number of ratings for a thread this size. Obviously there is a campaign here at GLP to downvote Sandy Hook threads which contain facts.

Lastly, look at all of the derailers who have come out since the posts about Desaree Juarez's donation page began.

What a waste of time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12299680

bump
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31686615
United States
01/07/2013 04:34 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Sandy Hook "Donation Sites UP Before Shooting!" BUSTED
Mother Teresa Rousseau (of the copy editor of Danbury NewsTimes and bringer of kid's obituaries from who knows what source) and Bill Leukhardt ( reporter with the Hartford Courant, also busy beaver in circulating unnamed
source news confusion during the event.

Here they are holding up the hoakiest hoaxiest portrait of their the daughter Lauren, who's dad's a, (be prepared to be
shocked) portrait photographer.

[link to www.nydailynews.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1482838


Wow, the guy's face is like "Are they really going to fall for this"? Don't worry, guy - there are a LOT of weak-minded people out there!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 22944982
United Kingdom
01/07/2013 04:35 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Sandy Hook "Donation Sites UP Before Shooting!" BUSTED
Here is Desaree's Twitter page, which is set to private.

Check it out... "Proud Army Wife".

[link to twitter.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12299680


That's weird because here is her other twitter profile

[link to mobile.twitter.com (secure)]

I guess she forgot how to spell her own name...
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 29209954
Canada
01/07/2013 04:43 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Sandy Hook "Donation Sites UP Before Shooting!" BUSTED
That photo with Obama and the girl looks and most likely is photoshopped, and the donation sites i checked on were already setup for donations for other causes. This is a dead end
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31686615
United States
01/07/2013 04:57 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Sandy Hook "Donation Sites UP Before Shooting!" BUSTED
How can "they" be so stupid?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1508876



They arent that stupid. Its "in your face" shit now. 9/11 was a test.... they seen that they can murder 3000 people while the world watches and get away with it even after the people "awakened" to the real truth.

Now they just dont care if we know. Its kinda like putting on a ski mask and baseball batting someone who is suppose to testify against you in court. They "know" who did it and why... but there is nothing they can do about it.
Its pure intimidation at this point.
 Quoting: Yuri Gervasii


I was reading today in Henry Makow's book Illuminati that the luciferians/freemasons:

"applaud violence, terror and crime [in the Sandy Hoax case, not murder, but heinous fraud] providing it is carried out in a crafty manner. One section of the (masonic) notes says humor is all-important and the most appalling crimes may be committed under its cloak... [Makow is himself quoting Stephen Knight's book, Jack the Ripper]."
s.j
User ID: 31704104
United States
01/07/2013 05:02 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Sandy Hook "Donation Sites UP Before Shooting!" BUSTED
Here is Desaree's Twitter page, which is set to private.

Check it out... "Proud Army Wife".

[link to twitter.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12299680


That's weird because here is her other twitter profile

[link to mobile.twitter.com (secure)]

I guess she forgot how to spell her own name...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22944982


lol happens all the time maybe the goob was hit with a howitzer
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31686615
United States
01/07/2013 05:13 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Sandy Hook "Donation Sites UP Before Shooting!" BUSTED
I just saw the headline: "CT MASSACRE LINKED TO MAJOR BOMBING PLOT" (at TDS.net, a news site). Anyone else heard anything about this latest BS?

wtfwtfwtf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31686615


Just an attempt to bring Sandy Hoax back into the public eye by lamely linking it to a supposed school bombing plan.
<@>

User ID: 30546946
United States
01/07/2013 06:38 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Sandy Hook "Donation Sites UP Before Shooting!" BUSTED


Dec 11th and Dec 13th two different donations sites were up and running for Sandy Hook.

The shooting wasn't until the 14th.

Hasn't seen any threads on this specifically.. can any of you confirm this information?
 Quoting: Bending Light


@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@


It's the thought that counts! And we will be able to say Peace and safety once guns are out of our hands.


@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11603943


Before I go off .... are you serious!?!
rant
('')...('')
(- _ -)
(,,)..(,,)
('')('')
<@>

User ID: 30546946
United States
01/07/2013 06:55 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Sandy Hook "Donation Sites UP Before Shooting!" BUSTED
Just how retarded would one have to be to put those sites up before the shooting? If you look up some of the scores of threads on this very same subject on GLP, it has always been proven that such sites were not put up before the shooting.
 Quoting: Bending Light


Not this time. Please look at the screen shots below. "Desaree" is caught in a lie here claiming that she changed the URL twice, which is not possible according to the websites FAQs. The page was created the day before the shootings, and the URL was never "www.gofundme.com/help-find-a-cure" as she claims.

Her comments after being caught:

IMAGE ( [link to i.imgur.com] )


Gofundme's FAQs regarding URL changes:

IMAGE ( [link to i.imgur.com] )

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12299680


It says you can change the link ONCE, so I think that means you can Chnange it one time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28837935


Hey Retard....

They give you a url that you can change once. Just like myspace.
She could not have a custom find a cure one then change it to sandy hook. Because she would have already changed it.
('')...('')
(- _ -)
(,,)..(,,)
('')('')
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1461405
United States
01/07/2013 07:24 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Sandy Hook "Donation Sites UP Before Shooting!" BUSTED
bump
<@>

User ID: 30546946
United States
01/07/2013 07:44 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Sandy Hook "Donation Sites UP Before Shooting!" BUSTED
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!
!!!
!

Vote for a pin people!!!!
('')...('')
(- _ -)
(,,)..(,,)
('')('')
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31686615
United States
01/07/2013 08:45 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Sandy Hook "Donation Sites UP Before Shooting!" BUSTED
Site just updated
[link to www.gofundme.com]
>
>
I originally created the page to try and fundraise my breast cancer awareness page but I changed it when I heard of the tragedy. I thought that was more important. I put my breast cancer fundraising on hold to try and help. I didn't think about created a new page I just changed my current page.
>
posted by Desaree Juarez 0 mins ago
 Quoting: >>KiLLUMiNATi<< 18311386


This proves the person did not deny the date was set up
prior and they can come up with a bogus excuse when or
if they got caught.
So is there a previous set up for some breast cancer
awareness before it became about Sandy Hook to support
her claim?

This is the same sort of answer that the Vicki Soto fb
page got. So what? Everybody has got these placeholder
accounts set up just in case they need it for later?

I ain't buying it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1482838


According to gofundme's FAQs, a page starts out with a generic URL. You may create a custom URL, such as "sandy-hook-victims-fund," only ONCE. They make this very clear. That being said, there is no way the URL for this page could have been "help-find-a-cure."

[link to support.gofundme.com]

In short, she's lying.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12299680


Good find!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22944982
Cryin Wont Help Ya

User ID: 18833395
United States
01/07/2013 08:46 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Sandy Hook "Donation Sites UP Before Shooting!" BUSTED
I just looked at the hands of "victim" Lauren Rousseau...

... I'd be willing to bet my entire life's savings that that pic is ENTIRELY Photoshopped. Just look at those hands... they make her look like she's 500 pounds:

[link to assets.nydailynews.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1461405


I was thinking the same thing. A pro wouldn't want her hands to show at all...they would be in her lap.
 Quoting: Kissplash


They put the hands there to hide the cut and paste job to her head and neck. Still looks like the head is just kind of floating there... weird effect.
Matrix-V

User ID: 31575117
Canada
01/07/2013 10:20 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Sandy Hook "Donation Sites UP Before Shooting!" BUSTED
"At this point it should be pretty obvious to everyone. Unfortunately most people are so brain damaged and hypnotized it doesn't make a difference."

i bet they could call a nationwide press conference, bring out everybody involved in the sandy hook saga including adam lanza and the child victims, then announce that the whole thing was a cinema verite public service campaign. a new type of high-impact reality TV geared towards simulating tragedies to spark public debate.

i bet no one would hold it against them.

then there could be a musical revue complete with dancers [chief ME carver in drag, anyone?], a puppet show for the kids, and then a big barbeque, all topped off by a stirring speech from president obama [pre=recorded] given from the oval office.

i am half serious...or is that one-quarter serious...or am i just doing dark comedy, i don't know.

but i do know the line between reality and insanity is being increasingly blurred. and i do know they desperately want your guns, want them badly enough to kill hundreds more kids. consider the possibility that they'll do multiple "sandy hooks" at several schools all at the same time, in a multi-pronged attack similar to 9/11....only this time it will be blamed on "anti-government gun nuts".

they almost HAVE to inflict somthing like that if they want public sentiment to be behind them...right now the polls are showing that most people are against an across-the-board gun ban.

kind of like most of us were against certain 'other' things, prior to 9/11.


dead wtf burnit
 Quoting: a passing cloud


clappa
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 24543661
United States
01/07/2013 10:35 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Sandy Hook "Donation Sites UP Before Shooting!" BUSTED
Ummm...... How about not busted....Well at least for this website conspiracy not Sandy Hook in general.

Here's the results for newtownmemorialfund.org from whois.domaintools.com:

[link to whois.domaintools.com]

It confirms that the page was created at:

Created On:14-Dec-2012 21:23:33 UTC

Well a five minute Google search solved that one.....

Bring on the next...

Maybe you should do a bit of digging yourself next time before taking something and running with it.
 Quoting: Harlow3142


So it's "normal" for someone to put up a give-me-money website withing hours of a killing??? Get the fuck outa town with that nonsense. Like money is the first thing a mourning family or friend is thinking of??? Get outa here with that BS.
Matrix-V

User ID: 31575117
Canada
01/07/2013 11:27 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Sandy Hook "Donation Sites UP Before Shooting!" BUSTED
buffcarbump
B
User ID: 31554159
United States
01/08/2013 01:14 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Sandy Hook "Donation Sites UP Before Shooting!" BUSTED
i just uploaded my new 2hour+ DOCUMENTARY on the sandy hook event which you can watch here: [link to www.brendanhunt.com]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 27361374
New Zealand
01/08/2013 01:27 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Sandy Hook "Donation Sites UP Before Shooting!" BUSTED
Yea I remember an entire facebook page being up for one of the 'victim families' literally within HOURS of the shooting. Before the police had even determined who was dead.

These people are sloppy. They should have hired pros.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31681577


I think they are being sloppy for a reason. They are thumbing at the American people.
 Quoting: katballoo


Honestly, I think your giving them way too much credit. The BHO administration is full of young techno types who think they are very smart. They know about the technology, but they don't know how to use it professionally like someone who has actually held a job supporting said technology. Think about it, the Adobe Acrobat birth certificate, social security applications etc were done by someone who knew how to use the application , but failed to grasp the details of how it could be tracked. The Sandy hook tragedy, if it in fact happened at all is wrought with the same scenario. Someone knows how to use the technology from a user level, but does not understand enough detail to make it look legitimate.

As far as I am concerned, Sandy Hook was a democratic operative or party operation designed to do nothing more than be a pretense to go after gun ownership.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27819872



The flaw in your reasoning is this: you presume ignorance on the part of the perpetrator without considering that the obvious mistake is deliberate and part of the plan.





GLP