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s. d. butler User ID: 974819 United States 02/20/2013 10:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gold isn't very portable, really. Try carrying $1M of gold in a briefcase... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14235 there are a lot of things that are rare, portable, that don't tarnish or corrode that do not have the value of gold. It has very few uses, so it's value is based on speculation. What things? Value is based on supply and demand. That isn't "speculation". DNA for one. Silver is another, yet it has a lot of uses (unlike gold). Meteorites. and many others. In your previous post you asked how portable is a million dollars in gold to demonstrate that gold isn't a portable store of wealth. So how portable is a million dollars in silver? Do you see a problem with your logic? Anyway precious metals silver and gold have always been considered money. I wasn't aware you could buy anything with DNA and meteorites. You could if there was an agreed upon value but there isn't as there is for silver and gold. And gold does have many uses. The problem is it is to expensive so substitutes are found. |
gembouncer User ID: 34451783 United States 02/21/2013 11:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Typically in history, gold is most useful as a way to pay mercenaries and soldiers, who demand booty for killing. So, a gold standard will also mean open warfare and torching of peoples and theft of booty with gold payout at the muster station. Of course, soldiers MAY accept botcoins as pay, as they did with greenbacks, but surely there will be a way for them to walk a few steps off the HQ and exchange their botcoins for gold. Regular non-mercenary types (refugees) will have no choice but to enlist or starve. I'm saying, historically, thats the end game. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 27962372 Norway 02/21/2013 10:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | computernumbers are cheap to create, silver actually takes effort to find, dig up and process .. but i own both myself, and its no better protection against death of currency if you get a large chunk of silver now i think your set for the next 30-40 years.. at some point i think you'll be screwed if you hold on to it... so i wont hold on to it forever, i'll trade it in for property as people around here sell theirs one more thing why i think TPTB actually wants inflation is it would speed up development of energy efficient tech and production, kind of like forced evolution leading to cheap solar panels etc (atleast if you figure out how to hedge against it) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 34379378 United Kingdom 02/25/2013 11:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Have been mining and trying websites for free BTC for a day or so just to check this stuff out. So, I have about 5 cents US at current BTC exchange rates. Seems like a speculatory pyramid scheme to me.. and a probable waste of time. Funds - Wallet 0.00156713 btc - 1CxEMc1W4WrwUofYTLHcHxdw9x76iyMvvg 1.00000000 btc - would be worth about 30 dollars So as you can see its taken me about 24 hours to earn 5 cents. LAME! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34379378 United Kingdom 02/25/2013 11:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mining is totally out of the question unless you have access to a room full of computers with modern graphics cards. Buying btc appears to be a purely speculatory investment. You cant seem to earn enough via websites. - It comes down to this, would you rather spend 30 dollars on an ounce of silver you can hold in your hand and trade face to face. or 1.0 btc that is an encrypted digital currency you can trade across international borders, providing you have access to facilities that support the transfer. Personally speaking if i had the choice right now between 100 ounces of silver or 100 btc id take the silver. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27962372 Norway 02/25/2013 01:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mining is totally out of the question unless you have access to a room full of computers with modern graphics cards. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34379378 Buying btc appears to be a purely speculatory investment. You cant seem to earn enough via websites. - It comes down to this, would you rather spend 30 dollars on an ounce of silver you can hold in your hand and trade face to face. or 1.0 btc that is an encrypted digital currency you can trade across international borders, providing you have access to facilities that support the transfer. Personally speaking if i had the choice right now between 100 ounces of silver or 100 btc id take the silver. havent put alot into it but i ordered a physical bitcoin i'll put aside with my silver stash and fetch it again in 10 years or so if bitcoin is still in use i think its smart to have some + silver + i'll buy some gold if prices stays around this level this year so i can aford it |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32632000 United States 02/25/2013 01:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So when the power goes out: Quoting: Floobarb the Argnorf 1 Bitcoin = $0.00 1 Oz Silver still - $28.4 Yay bitcoin? Where's that jerkoff smile again.... ah there it is. uh, not exactly. Just because the power goes out, they are still there. You just can't trade them without power, and even that is not totally accurate, because you can have physical bitcoins and wallets, too. Same as stocks, credit cards, etc. Because stocks and credit cards are the key to survival during a lights-out SHTF scenario. Right there with Blu Ray discs and electric pencil sharpeners. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7654363 United States 03/02/2013 11:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i have made some bitcoins on this site [link to www.bitcoingamer.com?donateto=12K3iWkjA32eUEZL75VMMoANngVrrqGyMu] |
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Levi Philos User ID: 590644 United States 03/06/2013 05:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Money is at it's core a method or set of methods for rationalizing the distribution and ownership of real things by means of proxy instruments. While I have not been complimentary of botcoin (thanks gembouncer), I believe it could be used in a limited fashion for exchanges of small value. Because of potential hacking problems and electrical power failure, your investment could be lost. Once you recognize that money is a communication (a special branch of language) then it becomes obvious that many venues exist for the communication of ownership of real things. Two related prime questions about any monetary communications are "How do I know this communication is accurate and true? and Who is responsible for specific performance of contract?" The answers involve agency and performance bonds and credibility records on people. Discussion of these questions is scattered throughout this thread: Thread: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments Now up to 51 pages and 1500 replies of which I have written half or more. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 35851954 United States 03/13/2013 10:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So when the power goes out: Quoting: Floobarb the Argnorf 1 Bitcoin = $0.00 1 Oz Silver still - $28.4 Yay bitcoin? Where's that jerkoff smile again.... ah there it is. uh, not exactly. Just because the power goes out, they are still there. You just can't trade them without power, and even that is not totally accurate, because you can have physical bitcoins and wallets, too. Same as stocks, credit cards, etc. How does that work ? I hax 500 bitcoins , so here you take , nao gimme food water gun and bullets . You can spend soon as the internets come backs . LOLZ dude good luck with that shit |
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Levi Philos User ID: 590644 United States 03/13/2013 06:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The following post has been abbreviated a bit for clarity; it comes from page 51: Thread: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments (Page 51) Poster "Chain of Time" is more computer literate than I am. On that note I had wanted to post to your epic thread here since today Alex {B}ones had Max Keiser on and they were having a little discussion about botcoins. Quoting: the chain of time 18323890 Did you hear the discussion? Alex {B}ones' position was that they are risky and might be honeypottish. Max Keiser's position is that they are "the spear to defeat the Federal Reserve Bank", he called them (or more directly he called the psuedonym who is the inventor of botcoins) the cyber-messiah. HAHA But in the midst of all the static, Alex {B}ones said "they might be a good investment for political intentions" or something to that effect. I thought I would bump that moment, because Alex {B}ones is right. If I do buy some botcoins, I will give it maybe 10% odds they end up worth less or about the same as I pay for them now. HOWEVER at this point, since every transaction in the bitcoin network is 100% recorded (that's the nature of the coin-chain), I probably wont use them, but rather, buy them as a sort of political gamble on the future. So it would be like an heirloom purchase ya know? As I have mentioned, the NSA has a complete vacuum cleaner hooked up to the web, so at their leisure, so I certainly can't see myself buying LSD on silk road with them, though I do appreciate LSD and feel it should be freely available. I will probably just buy a couple and hold them kinda like lottery tickets. In the end, though the buyers who use botcoins are "anon", the sellers are not. That is to say, if coin #XXXXXXX is spent at 12:01 on 5/5/15, the Internet Vacuum knows that the event went down, and coin #XXXXXXX records in its very bones, that the sale went down. So from a triangulation perspective, its not hard to figure out how to game the system from the "top o' the pyramid" if you catch my meaning. The other weakness I figured I'd mention in your epic thread here, is this: Botcoins presume (semi logically), that any debaucher would just play along. They assume that since let's say botcoins go to 1000 dollars each, and you own 10,000 of them, well, there's more money in promoting the good nodes, that is to say, botcoin by its nature uses all the good nodes, to "race" the bad nodes, and since there's potentially megabucks in being a good node, then they presume that bad nodes will always lose. ...That's true, except if botcoins are actually as dangerous to the PTB as Max Keiser says they are. If they are actually a weapon, as he spouts off about, then the obverse is true: Namely that it would be worth billions of dollars LOST, to defeat the network. This is something which nobody has gotten around to discussing yet. If I were at risk of losing some ### billions of dollars, and if I had unlimited supercomputers or a botnet (means: viruses that secretly use 1000s of sleeping computers powers), then it might be worth the effort to slowly build a secret debauch into the botcoin chain. I have only given the matter cursory though, but I know its possible. It would have to involve not just mining nodes that are flippable at the right moment (meaning they all flip to bad nodes at the right time) it would also have to involve bad merchants, which I would have to control. However, the question raised, gets back to my earlier posts... ...Because its all about BLACK MARKETS which are at the center of botcoins. Meaning that if one was to game the botcoin system, and set up ninja evil nodes to sleep until wakened, and simultaneously set up fake drug selling and [insert black market material here] websites selling material, well, those merchant nodes could flip on the right dime, and sell out every botcoiner that ever bought something. Sure, the customer is only identified by coin #XXXXXXX on date XX/XX/XXXX but see, every coin has an owner, and so just as they might do house to house searches for gold and silver, they might also have a geek squad attachment who searches for botcoins. This is why if I buy any, I can't see myself using them. I'll pay for hookers the old fashioned way. HAHA, just kidding, I'm too poor for hookers. ;) |