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Anonymous Coward User ID: 30373504 United States 05/31/2013 02:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Read this to understand how UFOs and the alien phenomena fit into the last days: Quoting: Pastor Bob 30373504 PART 7 Did Something Begin In 2012... That Will Reach Zenith In 2016? [link to www.raidersnewsupdate.com] Remember The Book of Genesis? Garden of Eden? Adam & Eve and then a serpent talked to Eve? Who was the serpent? The Serpent was used by Satan to deceive. Just like he will use aliens to deceive this modern atheistic society. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1580547 United States 05/31/2013 02:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Your interpretation of some of the events is incorrect. For instance, time in prophecy is not the same as regular time. A prophetic day equals a literal year in prophecy. The 2 witnesses (the old and new testaments) did witness in ashes and sackloth the 1260 years that the Papacy ruled unrivaled (538-1798), at which time they received a deadly wound (when Napoleon sent his general, Belesarius into Rome and they captured the pope and he died in captivity) but we're told that wound would eventually be healed, and well that happened in the early 1900's. The antichrist is already here and working. Their mark is Sunday sacredness in plain opposition to the word of God where God says his sabbath is the 7th day, not the 1st. However, until it is ENFORCED by law, people won't have the mark. Once the mark is enforced, the 7 last plagues start to fall, but only on those who have the mark, God's people are miraculously protected through it and delivered as Jesus comes at the culmination of the 7th plague. Those who have died in Jesus are resurrected along with those who are changed in a moment, and they all go to HEAVEN for 1000 years. Satan is bound here on this earth for that time because when Jesus comes you either go with him to heaven or you are destroyed and killed by the brightness of his coming. After the 1000 years, the New Jerusalem descends back to earth with the redeemed. All the lost are resurrected and satan actually makes them think they can overcome the holy city.... but fire comes down from God out of heaven and destroys them all! This is hell, hell fire that will wipe the universe clean from sin and sinners for eternity! They will be gone forever and the righteous will live for eternity on the earth made new. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 21057428 United States 05/31/2013 02:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Any takers on the interpretation on who is revelation 12 characters? Quoting: Lisa*Lisa 1. The woman 2. The manchild 3. The other offspring The Woman is the OT people of God who were the faithful and obedient people of God including Mary. The Child is Jesus. The rest of her offspring are those born again by believing in Jesus. "These are those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus...and they love not their lives unto the death." But, if the woman were the OT people, why would she be taken out 3.50 years into the tribulation and put in the wilderness and protected? They are already dead in the body, so it doesn't fit? I used to think the manchild was Jesus, but changed my view to the 144k because it fits in the cross references. As far as who the "other offspring" is, I too believe they are christians, but not sure if they are the foolish or wise virgins.....I lean twords the foolish virgins that were not ready when the 7th trump was blown? Not totally sure about that tho. Trying to figure it out. |
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Oracle2015 User ID: 25956544 United States 05/31/2013 02:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here is a link to the best commentary on Revelation. It's truly wonderful in its clear exposition. It's online: [link to spindleworks.com] Quoting: Pastor Bob 30373504 Read especially the chapter on Revelation 20. He explains how Satan is going to the nations to lead them to war...first against the West...and then against God's people. Very excellent. Thanks for the thread. I think the timeline has been altered. We won't see 200 Million screaming Chinese racing towards the Euphrates River. - The Battle of Armageddon - We won't see the Mark of the Beast either. Mainly because everybody is looking for it. The war Satan is waging is BOTH spiritual and physical. And I do think the language is literal that says we won't be able to buy or sell without a mark of some kind....but we shall see. It's important to 'watch and pray' and to stay close to Jesus. He alone is our Refuge. The Mark of the Beast is just a Band-Aid solution to fix a flawed economy. It simply harnesses the underground economy. The main goal is to gain absolute control of the general population. I could see it being introduced in Europe out of sheer desperation but the people will say no. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 21057428 United States 05/31/2013 02:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Read this to understand how UFOs and the alien phenomena fit into the last days: Quoting: Pastor Bob 30373504 PART 7 Did Something Begin In 2012... That Will Reach Zenith In 2016? [link to www.raidersnewsupdate.com] i dont go into that nwo stuff The NWO is Babylon. It is the world system set up by Satan that will be used by him to attack God's true people. One of the ways Satan will bring the nations together will be through the 'strong delusion' of an alien savior that are really demons. That seems very possible. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 40496681 United States 05/31/2013 02:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Read this to understand how UFOs and the alien phenomena fit into the last days: Quoting: Pastor Bob 30373504 PART 7 Did Something Begin In 2012... That Will Reach Zenith In 2016? [link to www.raidersnewsupdate.com] Remember The Book of Genesis? Garden of Eden? Adam & Eve and then a serpent talked to Eve? Who was the serpent? The Serpent was used by Satan to deceive. Just like he will use aliens to deceive this modern atheistic society. What proof do you have that aliens didn't write your Bible? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 40860035 Germany 05/31/2013 02:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The NWO is Babylon. It is the world system set up by Satan that will be used by him to attack God's true people. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30373504 One of the ways Satan will bring the nations together will be through the 'strong delusion' of an alien savior that are really demons. I wished, half of the Germans would know half of those things.. hum.. |
beebee User ID: 39963392 Canada 05/31/2013 02:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I wonder what these guys who saw 'visions' and heard 'voices' were high on. Some ate 'wafers' of some sort and others drank some sort of concoction. Today, people who claim they see 'visions' or hear 'voices' are either accused of smoking too much weed or schrooms, or they're called schizophrenic and have pharmaceutical drugs shoved down their throats. beebee |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 40778651 United States 05/31/2013 02:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SO DUMB Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40778651 the endgame is the complete relocation of our ENTIRE planet STOP talking about something you know NOTHING about!!! Psalm 99:1 The Lord reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the cherubims; let the earth be moved. Psalm 18:7 Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations also of the hills moved and were shaken, because he was wroth. Isaiah 24:20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage Psalm 46:2 Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed... EARTH will be MOVED this explains "new heavens new earth" Revelation 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever. no sun Revelation 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. no sun our light will come from another source |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1580547 United States 05/31/2013 02:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Any takers on the interpretation on who is revelation 12 characters? Quoting: Lisa*Lisa 1. The woman 2. The manchild 3. The other offspring 1. Mary with child ? 2. the child ? the bride ? 3. others ? dunno.. A woman in prophecy always represents a church. In this case it is the true church. The church that held to the apostolic teachings, the same church that had to flee to get away from the persecution of the Roman Church (the RCC). The RCC is the whore of Babylon and most of her daughters is modern day Protestantism. God's true people are told to COME OUT of these false systems of worship and get back to worshipping the Creator God and obey HIS commandments! Not the commandments of men (like Sunday worship), but the commandments of God, INCLUDING the 4th one to keep the Sabbath holy, the Sabbath God instituted at creation! This will be the line of demarcation between those who really worship God and those who don't. The bible warned that a religious power would come along who would "think to change times and laws". History proves it did, which is why we're warned to come out of her! |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 21057428 United States 05/31/2013 02:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SO DUMB Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40778651 the endgame is the complete relocation of our ENTIRE planet STOP talking about something you know NOTHING about!!! Psalm 99:1 The Lord reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the cherubims; let the earth be moved. Psalm 18:7 Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations also of the hills moved and were shaken, because he was wroth. Isaiah 24:20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage Psalm 46:2 Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed... EARTH will be MOVED this explains "new heavens new earth" Revelation 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever. no sun Revelation 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. no sun our light will come from another source It says the light will come from Jesus and His glory, we will need the sun no more because He will shine and light up everything. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30373504 United States 05/31/2013 02:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Any takers on the interpretation on who is revelation 12 characters? Quoting: Lisa*Lisa 1. The woman 2. The manchild 3. The other offspring The Woman is the OT people of God who were the faithful and obedient people of God including Mary. The Child is Jesus. The rest of her offspring are those born again by believing in Jesus. "These are those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus...and they love not their lives unto the death." But, if the woman were the OT people, why would she be taken out 3.50 years into the tribulation and put in the wilderness and protected? They are already dead in the body, so it doesn't fit? I used to think the manchild was Jesus, but changed my view to the 144k because it fits in the cross references. As far as who the "other offspring" is, I too believe they are christians, but not sure if they are the foolish or wise virgins.....I lean twords the foolish virgins that were not ready when the 7th trump was blown? Not totally sure about that tho. Trying to figure it out. Hi Lisa, Don't post much at this site but will answer as best I can. Rev 12-14 is the heart of Revelation. It is an overview. After Jesus is born those Jews believing in Jesus were scattered. See Acts 8:1 after Stephen was stoned and great persecution arose. These faithful Jews continued to witness until 66AD when the first attack by Rome occurred. At that times ALL the Jewish Christians in Jerusalem left as Jesus commanded them to do. Not one Christian was lost in the destruction of 70AD! So the woman was in the wilderness (near Pella on the Jordon River) from 66-70AD or 3.5 years. Unfortunately I think you are following a pretrib structure of Revelation. CLick on that link I provided. He has a wonderful chapter on Rev. 12: Here it is: [link to spindleworks.com] God bless you Here's an email if you want to chat further about this: [email protected] |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 21057428 United States 05/31/2013 02:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Any takers on the interpretation on who is revelation 12 characters? Quoting: Lisa*Lisa 1. The woman 2. The manchild 3. The other offspring 1. Mary with child ? 2. the child ? the bride ? 3. others ? dunno.. A woman in prophecy always represents a church. In this case it is the true church. The church that held to the apostolic teachings, the same church that had to flee to get away from the persecution of the Roman Church (the RCC). The RCC is the whore of Babylon and most of her daughters is modern day Protestantism. God's true people are told to COME OUT of these false systems of worship and get back to worshipping the Creator God and obey HIS commandments! Not the commandments of men (like Sunday worship), but the commandments of God, INCLUDING the 4th one to keep the Sabbath holy, the Sabbath God instituted at creation! This will be the line of demarcation between those who really worship God and those who don't. The bible warned that a religious power would come along who would "think to change times and laws". History proves it did, which is why we're warned to come out of her! Not always........the nation is Israel is called a woman throughout the whole bible. Paganism is also called a woman, and the bride of christ is also a woman. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 21057428 United States 05/31/2013 02:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Any takers on the interpretation on who is revelation 12 characters? Quoting: Lisa*Lisa 1. The woman 2. The manchild 3. The other offspring The Woman is the OT people of God who were the faithful and obedient people of God including Mary. The Child is Jesus. The rest of her offspring are those born again by believing in Jesus. "These are those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus...and they love not their lives unto the death." But, if the woman were the OT people, why would she be taken out 3.50 years into the tribulation and put in the wilderness and protected? They are already dead in the body, so it doesn't fit? I used to think the manchild was Jesus, but changed my view to the 144k because it fits in the cross references. As far as who the "other offspring" is, I too believe they are christians, but not sure if they are the foolish or wise virgins.....I lean twords the foolish virgins that were not ready when the 7th trump was blown? Not totally sure about that tho. Trying to figure it out. Hi Lisa, Don't post much at this site but will answer as best I can. Rev 12-14 is the heart of Revelation. It is an overview. After Jesus is born those Jews believing in Jesus were scattered. See Acts 8:1 after Stephen was stoned and great persecution arose. These faithful Jews continued to witness until 66AD when the first attack by Rome occurred. At that times ALL the Jewish Christians in Jerusalem left as Jesus commanded them to do. Not one Christian was lost in the destruction of 70AD! So the woman was in the wilderness (near Pella on the Jordon River) from 66-70AD or 3.5 years. Unfortunately I think you are following a pretrib structure of Revelation. CLick on that link I provided. He has a wonderful chapter on Rev. 12: Here it is: [link to spindleworks.com] God bless you Here's an email if you want to chat further about this: [email protected] I'm absolutely not a pre-tribber, the opposite in fact. The structure of revelation in the original post is exactly what it says in revelation from chapter 1 through to the end. I read and took notes and wrote down only exactly what it said. Thanks for commenting tho. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 21057428 United States 05/31/2013 02:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SO DUMB Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40778651 the endgame is the complete relocation of our ENTIRE planet STOP talking about something you know NOTHING about!!! Psalm 99:1 The Lord reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the cherubims; let the earth be moved. Psalm 18:7 Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations also of the hills moved and were shaken, because he was wroth. Isaiah 24:20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage Psalm 46:2 Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed... EARTH will be MOVED this explains "new heavens new earth" Revelation 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever. no sun Revelation 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. no sun our light will come from another source New Earth : Correct Earth 3D is going away. Earth 4D will arrive soon. Look for Time Zone Anomalies. We will ascend and become Crystal Based Beings instead of Carbon Based Beings. We will become lighter and taller. That's new age BS. We are not going to be "crystal based beings".........stop it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1580547 United States 05/31/2013 02:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Any takers on the interpretation on who is revelation 12 characters? Quoting: Lisa*Lisa 1. The woman 2. The manchild 3. The other offspring 1. Mary with child ? 2. the child ? the bride ? 3. others ? dunno.. A woman in prophecy always represents a church. In this case it is the true church. The church that held to the apostolic teachings, the same church that had to flee to get away from the persecution of the Roman Church (the RCC). The RCC is the whore of Babylon and most of her daughters is modern day Protestantism. God's true people are told to COME OUT of these false systems of worship and get back to worshipping the Creator God and obey HIS commandments! Not the commandments of men (like Sunday worship), but the commandments of God, INCLUDING the 4th one to keep the Sabbath holy, the Sabbath God instituted at creation! This will be the line of demarcation between those who really worship God and those who don't. The bible warned that a religious power would come along who would "think to change times and laws". History proves it did, which is why we're warned to come out of her! Not always........the nation is Israel is called a woman throughout the whole bible. Paganism is also called a woman, and the bride of christ is also a woman. Israel was God's chosen people (or church) at that time, paganism is a mixture of truth and error in religion, the bride of Christ is his church. It's always a church, it can be a true church or a false church, a good church or a bad church, but it's a church. And I'm speaking of prophecy, prophecy has symbolic language and to understand it we have to allow the bible to tell us what the symbols mean. Animals and their Parts ■Horse = Strength and Power in Battle Job 39:19, Psalms 147:10, Proverbs 21:31 ■Dragon = Satan or his agency Isaiah 27:1;30:6, Psalm 74:13-14; Rev. 12:7-9; Ezekiel 29:3; Jeremiah 51:34 ■Beast = Kingdom/government/political power Daniel 7:17, 23 ■Lamb = Jesus/sacrifice John 1:29; 1 Corinthians 5:7 ■Lion = Jesus/Powerful King i.e. Babylon Rev. 5:4-9, Jer. 50:43-44, Dan. 7:4,17,23 ■Bear = Destructive Power / Medo Persia Proverbs 28:15, 2 Kings 2:23-24, Daniel 7:5 ■Leopard = Greece Daniel 7:6 ■Serpent = Satan Revelation 12:9; 20:2 ■Tongue = Language / Speech Exodus 4:10 ■Wolf = Disguised Enemies that hunt in a time of darkness Matthew 7:15 ■Dove = Holy Spirit Mark 1:10 ■Ram = Medo Persia Daniel 8:20 ■Goat = Greece Daniel 8:21 ■Horn = King or kingdom Daniel 7:24; 8:5, 21, 22; Zechariah 1:18, 19; Revelation 17:12 ■Wings = Speed / Protection / Deliverance Deuteronomy 28:49, Matthew 23:37 Colors ■White = Purity Revelation 3:4,5; 7:14; 19:14 ■Blue = Law Numbers 15:38-39 ■Purple = Royalty Mark 15:17, Judges 8:26 ■Red/Scarlet = Sin/corruption Isaiah 1:18; Nahum 2:3; Revelation 17:1-4 Metals, Elements, and Natural Objects ■Gold = Pure Character Precious and Rare Isaiah 13:12 ■Silver = Pure Words & Understanding Proverbs 2:4, 3:13-14, 10:20, 25:11, Psalms 12:6 ■Brass, Tin, Iron, Lead, Silver dross = Impure Character Ezekiel 22:20-21 ■Water = Holy Spirit / Everlasting Life John 7:39, 4:14, Rev. 22:17, Eph. 5:26 ■Waters = Inhabited area/people, nations Revelation 17:15 ■Fire = Holy Spirit Luke 3:16 ■Tree = Cross; People / Nation Deut. 21:22-23, Psalm 92:12, 37:35 ■Seed = Descendents / Jesus Romans 9:8, Galatians 3:16 ■Fruit = Works / Actions Galatians 5:22 ■Fig Tree = A Nation that should bear fruit Luke 13:6-9 ■Vineyard = Church that should bear fruit Luke 20:9-16 ■Field = World Matthew 13:38, John 4:35 ■Harvest = End of World Matthew 13:39 ■Reapers = Angels Matthew 13:39 ■Thorns / Thorny Ground = Cares of this life Mark 4:18-19 ■Stars = Angels/messengers = Revelation 1:16, 20; 12:4, 7-9; Job 38:7 ■Jordan = death Romans 6:4, Deuteronomy 4:22 ■Mountains = Political or religio-political powers Isaiah 2:2, 3; Jeremiah 17:3; 31:23; 51:24, 25; Ezekiel 17:22, 23; Daniel 2:35, 44, 45 ■Rock = Jesus/truth 1 Corinthians 10:4; Isaiah 8:13, 14; Romans 9:33; Matthew 7:24 ■Sun = Jesus/the gospel Psalm 84:11; Malachi 4:2; Matthew 17:2; John 8:12; 9:5 ■Winds = Strife/commotion/"winds of war"Jeremiah 25:31-33; 49:36, 37; 4:11-13; Zechariah 7:14 Miscellaneous Objects ■Lamp = Word of God Psalm 119:105 ■Oil = Holy Spirit Zechariah 4:2-6; Revelation 4:5 ■Sword = Word of God Ephesians 6:17; Hebrews 4:12 ■Bread = Word of God John 6:35, 51, 52, 63 ■Wine = blood/covenant/doctrines Luke 5:37 ■Honey = happy life Ezekiel 20:6, Deuteronomy 8:8-9 ■Clothing = Character Isaiah 64:6, Isaiah 59:6 ■Crown = A Glorious Ruler or Rulership Proverbs 16:31, Isaiah 28:5, Isaiah 62:3 ■Ring = Authority Genesis 41:42-43, Esther 3:10-11 ■Angel = Messenger Daniel 8:16; 9:21; Luke 1:19, 26; Hebrews 1:14 ■Babylon = apostasy/confusion/rebellion Gen. 10:8-10; 11:6-9; Rev. 18:2, 3; 17:1-5 ■Mark = Sign or seal of approval or disapproval Ezekiel 9:4; Romans 4:11; Revelation 13:17; 14:9-11; 7:2, 3 ■Seal = Sign or mark of approval or disapproval Romans 4:11; Revelation 7:2, 3 ■White Robes = Victory/righteousness Revelation 19:8; 3:5; 7:14 ■Jar / Vessel = Person Jermiah 18:1-4, 2 Corinthians 4:7 ■Time = 360 Day Daniel 4:16, 23, 25, 32; 7:25; Daniel 11:13 margin ■Times = 720 Days Daniel 7:25, Revelation 12:6,14, 13:5 ■Day = Literal year Ezekiel 4:6; Numbers 14:34 ■Trumpet = loud warning of God's approach Exodus 19:16-17, Joshua 6:4-5 Actions, Activities, and Physical States ■Healing = Salvation Luke 5:23-24 ■Leprosy / Sickness = Sin Luke 5:23-24 ■Famine = Dearth of Truth Amos 8:11 People and Body Parts ■Woman, Pure = True Church Jeremiah 6:2; 2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:23-27 ■Woman, Corrupt = Apostate church Ezk. 16:15-58; 23:2-21; Hos. 2:5; 3:1; Rev. 14:4 ■Thief = Suddenness of Jesus' coming 1 Thessalonians 5:2-4; 2 Peter 3:10 ■Hand = Deeds / Works / Actions Ecclesiastes 9:10, Isaiah 59:6 ■Forehead = Mind Deuteronomy 6:6-8, Romans 7:25; Ezekiel 3:8, 9 ■Feet = Your Walk / Direction Genesis 19:2, Psalm 119:105 ■Eyes = Spiritual Discernment Matthew 13:10-17, 1 John 2:11 ■Skin = Christ's righteousness Exodus 12:5, 1 Peter 1:19, Isaiah 1:4-6 ■Harlot = Apostate church/religion Isaiah 1:21-27; Jeremiah 3:1-3; 6-9 ■Heads = Major powers/rulers/governments Revelation 17:3, 9, 10 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 21291600 United States 05/31/2013 02:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lisa, I love reading your postings, they are always so uplifting, and insightful. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38879266 However, I will have to take exception with this one! I like the way you wrote the synopsis of each chapter of Revelation. However, I do not believe you can put it all out there like it's how the End Times will unravel. The reason I say this is because I do not believe Revelation was written chronologically. I believe John wrote down what he saw, as he saw (and tried to understand it), and I also believe some of what is written is repeated - like John saw a vision, and then saw a different aspect of it and wrote about it again, or saw it from a different perspective and wrote it all down. I think it's a simpler "story" - and a lot of it has already happened - but John was so blown away by the perspectives he saw that he wrote it all, and it comes out as a disjointed jumble of events, which we then try to place in a timeline, which won't work! just my .02 Anyways, keep studying and posting on God's Word. I never tire of reading it! there are many books in the bible that are not written in chronological order. revelation is one of them. so, when you read Revelation, do not read it like a story book in chronological order. instead, compare the seals, trumps, and bowls and gather them together. then make a chronology. i did a thread on this a while back. see if i can find it |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 21057428 United States 05/31/2013 02:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lisa, I love reading your postings, they are always so uplifting, and insightful. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38879266 However, I will have to take exception with this one! I like the way you wrote the synopsis of each chapter of Revelation. However, I do not believe you can put it all out there like it's how the End Times will unravel. The reason I say this is because I do not believe Revelation was written chronologically. I believe John wrote down what he saw, as he saw (and tried to understand it), and I also believe some of what is written is repeated - like John saw a vision, and then saw a different aspect of it and wrote about it again, or saw it from a different perspective and wrote it all down. I think it's a simpler "story" - and a lot of it has already happened - but John was so blown away by the perspectives he saw that he wrote it all, and it comes out as a disjointed jumble of events, which we then try to place in a timeline, which won't work! just my .02 Anyways, keep studying and posting on God's Word. I never tire of reading it! there are many books in the bible that are not written in chronological order. revelation is one of them. so, when you read Revelation, do not read it like a story book in chronological order. instead, compare the seals, trumps, and bowls and gather them together. then make a chronology. i did a thread on this a while back. see if i can find it Nope, it's definitely written in chronological order. God is not a God of disorder, He wouldn't write it backwards or mixed up. No way. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1580547 United States 05/31/2013 02:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lisa, I love reading your postings, they are always so uplifting, and insightful. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38879266 However, I will have to take exception with this one! I like the way you wrote the synopsis of each chapter of Revelation. However, I do not believe you can put it all out there like it's how the End Times will unravel. The reason I say this is because I do not believe Revelation was written chronologically. I believe John wrote down what he saw, as he saw (and tried to understand it), and I also believe some of what is written is repeated - like John saw a vision, and then saw a different aspect of it and wrote about it again, or saw it from a different perspective and wrote it all down. I think it's a simpler "story" - and a lot of it has already happened - but John was so blown away by the perspectives he saw that he wrote it all, and it comes out as a disjointed jumble of events, which we then try to place in a timeline, which won't work! just my .02 Anyways, keep studying and posting on God's Word. I never tire of reading it! there are many books in the bible that are not written in chronological order. revelation is one of them. so, when you read Revelation, do not read it like a story book in chronological order. instead, compare the seals, trumps, and bowls and gather them together. then make a chronology. i did a thread on this a while back. see if i can find it No, Revelation is actually one that is not written chronologically |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 19804788 United States 05/31/2013 02:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lisa, I love reading your postings, they are always so uplifting, and insightful. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38879266 However, I will have to take exception with this one! I like the way you wrote the synopsis of each chapter of Revelation. However, I do not believe you can put it all out there like it's how the End Times will unravel. The reason I say this is because I do not believe Revelation was written chronologically. I believe John wrote down what he saw, as he saw (and tried to understand it), and I also believe some of what is written is repeated - like John saw a vision, and then saw a different aspect of it and wrote about it again, or saw it from a different perspective and wrote it all down. I think it's a simpler "story" - and a lot of it has already happened - but John was so blown away by the perspectives he saw that he wrote it all, and it comes out as a disjointed jumble of events, which we then try to place in a timeline, which won't work! just my .02 Anyways, keep studying and posting on God's Word. I never tire of reading it! there are many books in the bible that are not written in chronological order. revelation is one of them. so, when you read Revelation, do not read it like a story book in chronological order. instead, compare the seals, trumps, and bowls and gather them together. then make a chronology. i did a thread on this a while back. see if i can find it Nope, it's definitely written in chronological order. God is not a God of disorder, He wouldn't write it backwards or mixed up. No way. How do you know? Maybe he changed his mind about the whole thing like in the OT. Exodus 32:14 So the LORD changed his mind about the terrible disaster he had threatened to bring on his people. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 21291600 United States 05/31/2013 02:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lisa, I love reading your postings, they are always so uplifting, and insightful. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38879266 However, I will have to take exception with this one! I like the way you wrote the synopsis of each chapter of Revelation. However, I do not believe you can put it all out there like it's how the End Times will unravel. The reason I say this is because I do not believe Revelation was written chronologically. I believe John wrote down what he saw, as he saw (and tried to understand it), and I also believe some of what is written is repeated - like John saw a vision, and then saw a different aspect of it and wrote about it again, or saw it from a different perspective and wrote it all down. I think it's a simpler "story" - and a lot of it has already happened - but John was so blown away by the perspectives he saw that he wrote it all, and it comes out as a disjointed jumble of events, which we then try to place in a timeline, which won't work! just my .02 Anyways, keep studying and posting on God's Word. I never tire of reading it! there are many books in the bible that are not written in chronological order. revelation is one of them. so, when you read Revelation, do not read it like a story book in chronological order. instead, compare the seals, trumps, and bowls and gather them together. then make a chronology. i did a thread on this a while back. see if i can find it Nope, it's definitely written in chronological order. God is not a God of disorder, He wouldn't write it backwards or mixed up. No way. Lisa, my dear sister. it is not in chronological order. i can compile a list of scholarly articles, journals and books that will help enlighten you as to the writing style of the book. most old testament books and a few gospels and epistles are not in chronological order. not only are the writings in each book not always in chronological order, but the books themselves are not in chronological order. this has nothing to do with God or disorder. [link to ichthys.com] [link to www.bible.ca] Thread: TRUMPET SOUNDS - The Order of Revelation's 21 Plages. Things won't go down consecutively as it's written. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 21057428 United States 05/31/2013 02:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It sure does have something to do with God being a God of order. Why would HE write it all mixed up to confused people? That makes no sense at all......I absolutely believe it was written the way it was supposed to be read, in chronological order. There is nothing you can say that would make me think otherwise. |
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