Comet ISON and its connection to the Great Comet of 1680, Ophiuchus, and the Maunder Minimu

[link to arxiv.org]

Also, it looks like ison is the oldest comet we have seen from the oort cloud.

"Comet ISON is found in the region of Oort Cloud comets, even considering a wide range of parameters. This seems to be the oldest comet we have from the Oort cloud, based on its location on the diagram."

And that its nucleus H20 deficient, which could affect its magnitude either way.

"Notice that after the event (slow down event), the comet remained with its magnitude virtually unchanged for ~132 d.
The standstill of the comet can only imply that the nucleus is depleted in water. There could be rock, dust or debris under the surface, but water seems to be scarce."

Some other interesting points

"(5) Technically speaking, since January 17th±3 d, 2013, comet ISON has been on a standstill for more than 132 d, within the same magnitude ±0.2 mag, a rather puzzling feat (Figure 8)."

with a calibration by Jorda, Crovisier & Green (2008), reveals that comet ISON is depleted in water content by a factor of 9.2, approximately."

The figures also tell a story if read correctly.

it was kind of interesting until you started with nostradamus.

that's why I saved it for the end

Great post Op, I certainly think ISON is the great comet of 1680


And if so, we are in for a show

woodcutting's and paintings of the 1680 comet

[link to www.google.com (secure)]

Couldn't agree more by the way you might wanna check this video!



This is a must see video about this subject!

Here is more complete documentary about the electric properties of comets and their interaction with the solar system as they pass by.

After crunching some numbers and converting AUs into kilometers, I came up with this.

perihelion distance in 1680- .00622AU x 150,000,000= 933,000km

perihelion distance in 2013- .0125045AU x 150,000,000=1,875,675km

1,875,675km /2 = 937,837.5km

Again, perihelion distance in 1680= 933,000km

937,837.5 - 933,000 = 4,837.5km.

If these are the "same comet," the perihelion distance has almost EXACTLY doubled, save 4,837.5 km. That's chump change when dealing with these kinds of distances.

I've looked at some other recurring comets with respect to consecutive and non-consecutive perihelion distances and I can't see any type of relationship let alone an almost exact double.

If these aren't the same comet that is one hell of a coincidence.

Much of the speculation about ISON and its likely consequence has been sadly misinformed -- indeed, complacent. Let me reiterate some basic facts here.

Fact: ISON is *not* a comet.

The astronomers think that ISON might once have been a moon of Neptune or Uranus, or perhaps it was locked in a stable point in Neptune's orbit, and was then perturbed somehow. But perturbed it was, and now it is on a thirty-six-hundred-year collision course with Earth.

Fact: ISON's impact will *not* be comparable to the Chicxulub impact which caused the extinction of the dinosaurs.

That impact was sufficient to cause mass death, and to alter -- drastically, and for all time -- the course of evolution of life on Earth. But it was caused by an impactor some ten kilometers across. ISON is *forty* times as large, and its mass is therefore some *sixty thousand times* as great.

Fact: ISON will *not* simply cause a mass extinction event, like Chicxulub.

It will be much worse than that.

The heat pulse will sterilize the land to a depth of fifty meters. Life might survive, but only by being buried deep in caves. We know no way, even in principle, by which a human community could ride out the impact. When ISON arrives, everybody will die.

Fact: ISON *cannot* be deflected with current technology.

It is possible we could turn aside small bodies -- a few kilometers across, typical of the population of near-Earth asteroids -- with such means as emplaced nuclear charges or thermonuclear rockets. The challenge of deflecting ISON is many orders of magnitude greater. Thought experiments on moving such bodes have been proposed, for example, using a series of gravitational assists -- not available in this case -- or using advanced technology such as nanotech von Neumann machines to dismantle and disperse the body. But such technologies are far beyond our current capabilities.

"Collision course with earth" dude whatever you are smoking give me some!

I guess it is easy to make a light hearted comment to keep the thread going and express a personal opinion. Nothing wrong with that as long as we are all clear that it is only light hearted and just a wild shot guess.

ison is death itself

Interesting post. any evidence of a previous pass in 1347?

333 years ago!

The Great Comet Star of 1680

The Great Comet of 1680 was observed by the Reverend Robert Law in Scotland:

‘December 10, being Friday, 1680, after sun-sett, there appeared in the west a comet, having a large broad and great streamer coming from it, the like was never seen or read of, and continued till the 16th or 17th day of January, growing smaller and smaller to its end;’
For Law, the Great Comet of 1680
‘Was certainly prodigious of sad things to us, as all these ordinary are, such as that comet seen above Jerusalem in shape of a sword, before her ruin and their division.
[link to drmarkjardine.wordpress.com]
Even if comet ISON is not related to the comet of 1680, the orbital elements as pointed out by Bortle are very interesting (especially if one keeps the EU in mind). What I find equally intriguing is that back in 1680 the sun was in what is now called the "maunder minimum", a period with extremely low sunspot activity. In contrast to today (even considering the weak Solar Cycle 24) the sun is much more active. Therefore, if the comets´ orbits are similar, but the sun is now much more active, what will this mean for the comet itself? Could it put on a remarkable show?
[link to www.thunderbolts.info]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Strange UFO Coin from 1680 Puzzles the Experts [link to www.thelivingmoon.com]
Southern California Long Overdue for Quake, Experts Say
Historical data show that the average time between earthquakes in the southern end of the fault line is 150 to 200 years. Though dormant for more than 300 years, the southern end of the San Andreas Fault is long overdue for a giant upheaval
However, the last earthquake struck the area back in 1680.
[link to news.nationalgeographic.com]
[link to www.earthquakecountry.info]
bubonic plague,
The city was crippled by the epidemic, which recurred fitfully into the early 1680s, losing an estimated 76,000 residents. [link to en.wikipedia.org]

1680, when the Yellow River changed its course, merged with the Huai River, and the Hongze Lake appeared…
The eruption of 1680 of Tongoko volcano was a one of the major explosive eruptions in the past centuries.
Evidence of the release of aerosols high into the stratosphere has been found in Greenland Ice cores. In the year following the eruption, sunsets all over the world have been more colorful because of the dust [link to www.volcanodiscovery.com]
Large Krakatoa Eruption May 1680 [link to www.drgeorgepc.com]
1680 The last moai sculptors put down their tools.
Famine-
• 1669 famine in Bengal
• 1680 famine in Sardinia[25]
• 1680 famine in Japan
• 1680s famine in Sahel
1680 Ague (hot) epidemic
England 1681 Ague (hot) epidemic, smallpox


Oct. 9, 1680, in Malaga. Magnitude: 6.9
Took the lives of at least 200 people and destroyed 20 percent (800) of the city's houses, leaving even more inhabitable. The epicenter was located in the city of Malaga, which is located in the province of Andaluci¬a.
Based on geologic evidence, scientists think that a massive magnitude-9.0 earthquake rocked the Cascadia Subduction Zone region off Oregon and Washington sometime between 1680 and 1720 The waves reached as high as 12 feet and flooded rice paddies, washed away buildings and damaged fishing shacks and salt kilns. Sleeping villagers awoke startled and wet and had to hastily scramble to high ground. The waters knocked down oil lamps and started a fire in one village and destroyed 20 houses in another.
The waves pounded the villages all through that night and into the late morning of the next day.
They swept through Miho, a village about 90 miles (140 kilometers) southwest of what is now Tokyo, about seven times.
The tsunami struck not only without warning, but without an apparent cause. Normally, tsunamis are preceded by earthquakes: the deadly Indian Ocean tsunami that devastated Southeast Asia last December, for example, was foreshadowed by a magnitude-9.3 undersea temblor.

IF you want to get a basic knowledge about this (electric) comet, watch this video!
It has been removed before, apparently re-uploded now.
WATCH IT while you can in order to better understand this magnificent star,
"the electric comet".

Not that I am seeing, but if you subtract the remaining kilometers 4837.5 from 2013, you get 2824.5 BC.

Turns out there was a major catastrophe around this date, (May 10, 2807 is the hypothesized date). Guess what the catastrophe was?

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"2807 BC: Suggested date for an asteroid or comet impact occurring between Africa and Antarctica, around the time of a solar eclipse on May 10, based on an analysis of flood stories. Possibly causing the Burckle crater and Fenambosy Chevron"

Turns out there was an eclipse on may 10 2807BC (partial lunar), and yes, there was an eclipse on may 10th 2013 (annular) as well.

The last eclipse of 2013 is on November 3rd, as an hybrid annular/total eclipse in the constellation crucifix, along with a new moon right when ISON should allegedly be visible. Wild.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to darkstarastrology.com]

Two words: Isaac Newton.

not sure subtracting kilometres from years is a valid way to deduce things , but interesting anyway.

by the way, the Black Death started in 1347

[link to www.disasterium.com]

in the year 1014 a huge tsunami struck the UK, believed to be from a comet fragment impact

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Just wanted to add to my earlier post about "electric comet", that THIS IS THE VIDEO that was removed and now re-uploaded

Please watch!

OP- Thank you for tying in Nostradamus. Very interesting compilation of information.

5 *'s for you!

Your brain cannot cope that why.

Good call

POOF member, Gary Daniels, wrote a very interesting article in January of 2012. A New York geologist has found evidence that around 1014 AD, a swarm of large meteors or comet debris struck North America and the Atlantic Ocean, causing both a mega-tsunami and local, cataclysmic meteor damage. Archaeoastronomy of the Ocmulgee Earth Lodge

[link to www.peopleofonefire.com]

i'll second that!

The only fact is that IF it was headed toward us, then we couldn't stop it.

Nevertheless, it isn't, and all your other facts are nothing but utter BS.

Get off the bath salts man...shit will fuck you up

Dude, I've heard a lot of info about Ison but never anything so doomy as this. Where are you getting this information!?

Will it cause plagues too?

Good thread. Comet ISON should be fascinating. If it's a repeater, we will learn so much.

thanks