Reality Check: UK Violent Death Rate Substantially Higher Than USA | |
Mad Scientist (aka AmJedi) (OP) User ID: 45078308 United States 09/22/2013 09:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.theguardian.com] Talking to American friends, I always sense a kind of despair that the gun lobby is too powerful to challenge and that nothing will ever change. The same resignation was evident in President Obama's rather lifeless reaction to the Washington shooting last week. There is absolutely nothing he can do, which underscores the fact that America is in a jam and that international pressure may be one way of reducing the slaughter over the next generation. This has reached the point where it has ceased to be a domestic issue. The world cannot stand idly by. His arguments are spurious. And comparing us to Syrian Rebels is just propaganda. (GLP aka American Jedi) Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth. Kenny Powers If you steal the dreams of others long enough, sooner or later you'll end up in a nightmare. American Jedi Intellectuals solve problems, geniuses prevent them. Albert Einstein Satis Eloquentiae, Sapientiae Parum.... "The last of the old?" "No, the first of the new." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47245661 United Kingdom 09/22/2013 09:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sorry about the long aside, back to murders. Remember that 657 number from the Home Office? The Coroners only called 229 of the cases they determined a cause of death on a homicide, and in 4400 cases they filed a "narrative verdict" describing the cause of death in a narrative manner without putting it in a category. If those 4400 cases are what we would normally call murders Big Edit starts here that would suggest that the correct number of "violent deaths of interest to the police" is on the order of 4700 for 2011, then the UK murder rate is 8.5 per 100,000 or about 177% of the US murder rate. Now, honestly, we don't know what conclusion as to cause the coroner would have reached if they weren't using It's entirely possible that very few of them would have been classed as homicides. We don't know. My point here isn't that the English death rates should be quoted from the highest available but rather, no matter which source I attempt to use, I can't actually get an apples to apples comparison. The data simply isn't available. Quoting: Mad Scientist (aka AmJedi) [link to rboatright.blogspot.com] Per 100K People the UK leads the US in murders! So, gun control doesn't keep people from poisoning folks or beating them to death with a cricket mallet. So, someone needs to tell Mr. Porter at the Guardian eat shit! When I want to beat someone to death I usually opt for either a golf bat, or a tennis hammer. |
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Mad Scientist (aka AmJedi) (OP) User ID: 45078308 United States 09/22/2013 09:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sorry about the long aside, back to murders. Remember that 657 number from the Home Office? The Coroners only called 229 of the cases they determined a cause of death on a homicide, and in 4400 cases they filed a "narrative verdict" describing the cause of death in a narrative manner without putting it in a category. If those 4400 cases are what we would normally call murders Big Edit starts here that would suggest that the correct number of "violent deaths of interest to the police" is on the order of 4700 for 2011, then the UK murder rate is 8.5 per 100,000 or about 177% of the US murder rate. Now, honestly, we don't know what conclusion as to cause the coroner would have reached if they weren't using It's entirely possible that very few of them would have been classed as homicides. We don't know. My point here isn't that the English death rates should be quoted from the highest available but rather, no matter which source I attempt to use, I can't actually get an apples to apples comparison. The data simply isn't available. Quoting: Mad Scientist (aka AmJedi) [link to rboatright.blogspot.com] Per 100K People the UK leads the US in murders! So, gun control doesn't keep people from poisoning folks or beating them to death with a cricket mallet. So, someone needs to tell Mr. Porter at the Guardian eat shit! When I want to beat someone to death I usually opt for either a golf bat, or a tennis hammer. Reality hurts. Furthermore, they don't report the violent crimes committed by muslims. (GLP aka American Jedi) Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth. Kenny Powers If you steal the dreams of others long enough, sooner or later you'll end up in a nightmare. American Jedi Intellectuals solve problems, geniuses prevent them. Albert Einstein Satis Eloquentiae, Sapientiae Parum.... "The last of the old?" "No, the first of the new." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47243081 United Kingdom 09/22/2013 09:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sorry about the long aside, back to murders. Remember that 657 number from the Home Office? The Coroners only called 229 of the cases they determined a cause of death on a homicide, and in 4400 cases they filed a "narrative verdict" describing the cause of death in a narrative manner without putting it in a category. If those 4400 cases are what we would normally call murders Big Edit starts here that would suggest that the correct number of "violent deaths of interest to the police" is on the order of 4700 for 2011, then the UK murder rate is 8.5 per 100,000 or about 177% of the US murder rate. Now, honestly, we don't know what conclusion as to cause the coroner would have reached if they weren't using It's entirely possible that very few of them would have been classed as homicides. We don't know. My point here isn't that the English death rates should be quoted from the highest available but rather, no matter which source I attempt to use, I can't actually get an apples to apples comparison. The data simply isn't available. Quoting: Mad Scientist (aka AmJedi) [link to rboatright.blogspot.com] Per 100K People the UK leads the US in murders! So, gun control doesn't keep people from poisoning folks or beating them to death with a cricket mallet. So, someone needs to tell Mr. Porter at the Guardian eat shit! Only if you assume that all of those 4400 deaths would have been classified as murders, which, as the article itself states, is silly. So yeah, if you arbitrarily increase the number of murders by 20 times, the UK has a higher murder rate than the USA. Well done. |
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alexisj9 User ID: 45014658 United Kingdom 09/22/2013 09:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sorry about the long aside, back to murders. Remember that 657 number from the Home Office? The Coroners only called 229 of the cases they determined a cause of death on a homicide, and in 4400 cases they filed a "narrative verdict" describing the cause of death in a narrative manner without putting it in a category. If those 4400 cases are what we would normally call murders Big Edit starts here that would suggest that the correct number of "violent deaths of interest to the police" is on the order of 4700 for 2011, then the UK murder rate is 8.5 per 100,000 or about 177% of the US murder rate. Now, honestly, we don't know what conclusion as to cause the coroner would have reached if they weren't using It's entirely possible that very few of them would have been classed as homicides. We don't know. My point here isn't that the English death rates should be quoted from the highest available but rather, no matter which source I attempt to use, I can't actually get an apples to apples comparison. The data simply isn't available. Quoting: Mad Scientist (aka AmJedi) [link to rboatright.blogspot.com] Per 100K People the UK leads the US in murders! So, gun control doesn't keep people from poisoning folks or beating them to death with a cricket mallet. So, someone needs to tell Mr. Porter at the Guardian eat shit! When I want to beat someone to death I usually opt for either a golf bat, or a tennis hammer. lol. We know murders happen here, even some involving guns. The only reason there is more in the USA is cause there are more people. Goodness knows how to compare the two. |
gheylos User ID: 45101366 United States 09/22/2013 09:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yea I got some yank friends who shit themselves when they see the level of violence we are capable of. Quoting: acuk Anyone can pull a trigger, it takes a real man to go toe to toe with someone. it takes a real man to vote to disarm his grandmother, so she has to get in a fist fight with someone attempting to rob/rape/kill her, instead of simply shooting her attacker. where the hood at |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47190888 United Kingdom 09/22/2013 09:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yea I got some yank friends who shit themselves when they see the level of violence we are capable of. Quoting: acuk Anyone can pull a trigger, it takes a real man to go toe to toe with someone. it takes a real man to vote to disarm his grandmother, so she has to get in a fist fight with someone attempting to rob/rape/kill her, instead of simply shooting her attacker. yeah right, the grandmothers around here would kick your head in. |
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lightchild_uk Waiting for IT User ID: 46671552 United Kingdom 09/22/2013 09:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Life in England [link to www.youtube.com] [link to www.youtube.com] Hope it loads alright, as it is restricted in the UK due to licensing. Last Edited by lightchild_uk on 09/22/2013 09:56 AM |
BRIEF User ID: 39607259 United States 09/22/2013 09:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yea I got some yank friends who shit themselves when they see the level of violence we are capable of. Quoting: acuk Anyone can pull a trigger, it takes a real man to go toe to toe with someone. Or a real lunatic...I only fight to win, therefore I use the most efficient means possible. I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
Mad Scientist (aka AmJedi) (OP) User ID: 45078308 United States 09/22/2013 10:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is sad that Americans don't fact check the nonsense espoused by some wild eyed socialist liberal. Some loathsome cur that believes in a system of government that has allowed for a foreign, theologically based law to take hold of the UK and Western Europe. Furthermore, it shows the cowardice of the modern European male that you have not taken back your nations from the islamic invasion. Your granddaughters will certainly thank you as they are whipped and beaten while they wear a burqua. (GLP aka American Jedi) Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth. Kenny Powers If you steal the dreams of others long enough, sooner or later you'll end up in a nightmare. American Jedi Intellectuals solve problems, geniuses prevent them. Albert Einstein Satis Eloquentiae, Sapientiae Parum.... "The last of the old?" "No, the first of the new." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47190888 United Kingdom 09/22/2013 10:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yea I got some yank friends who shit themselves when they see the level of violence we are capable of. Quoting: acuk Anyone can pull a trigger, it takes a real man to go toe to toe with someone. Or a real lunatic...I only fight to win, therefore I use the most efficient means possible. You fight to kill, I fight to win, big difference. like I said, anyone can pull a trigger, guns are readily available here, don't listen to all the who hah, if someone wants a gun, they WILL find one. you are allowed rifles and shotguns, hand guns you can get on the black market along with fully automatic, if you so wished. All they did was block hand guns, HAND GUNS, we can still shoot each other with shotguns and rifles, if we wanted. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 33753048 United States 09/22/2013 10:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yea I got some yank friends who shit themselves when they see the level of violence we are capable of. Quoting: acuk Anyone can pull a trigger, it takes a real man to go toe to toe with someone. it takes a real man to vote to disarm his grandmother, so she has to get in a fist fight with someone attempting to rob/rape/kill her, instead of simply shooting her attacker. :bill pointing: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 46730650 United Kingdom 09/22/2013 10:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Right Quoting: lightchild_uk 8.5 per 100,000 UK population is about 63,000,000 ( 63,000,000 / 100,000 ) x 8.5 = 5355 violent deaths per year which is about 103 per week, 15 per day. With tight knife and gun control. So what you are saying is even if you count all the 'narrative verdicts' as violent deaths (even though that is not what that means), the figures will still be inaccurate? If you are gonna give a reality check, shouldn't you involve some kind of......you know, reality? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 47248077 United Kingdom 09/22/2013 10:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yea I got some yank friends who shit themselves when they see the level of violence we are capable of. Quoting: acuk Anyone can pull a trigger, it takes a real man to go toe to toe with someone. First of all, I don't care if Americans have guns because it is none of my fucking business, nor should it be of any concern to any non-American. Secondly, "it takes a real man to go toe to toe". Well, do you think a burglar with a blade is going to put it down to go toe to toe with you if you catch him in your home? Nope, he's going to stick you and not think twice about it. Under those circumstances a gun can help save your life and possessions. Furthermore, if you've got a gun you have the upper hand... you don't have to shoot him, you can just aim it at him and order him to lay face down on the ground until the police arrive. |
BRIEF User ID: 39607259 United States 09/22/2013 10:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yea I got some yank friends who shit themselves when they see the level of violence we are capable of. Quoting: acuk Anyone can pull a trigger, it takes a real man to go toe to toe with someone. Or a real lunatic...I only fight to win, therefore I use the most efficient means possible. You fight to kill, I fight to win, big difference. like I said, anyone can pull a trigger, guns are readily available here, don't listen to all the who hah, if someone wants a gun, they WILL find one. you are allowed rifles and shotguns, hand guns you can get on the black market along with fully automatic, if you so wished. All they did was block hand guns, HAND GUNS, we can still shoot each other with shotguns and rifles, if we wanted. Seems as though you go looking for fights, that's the difference between us, I just go about my life and enjoy myself, if someone wants to start shit I put them in a hole. I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
Joker User ID: 1437768 United States 09/22/2013 10:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yea I got some yank friends who shit themselves when they see the level of violence we are capable of. Quoting: acuk Anyone can pull a trigger, it takes a real man to go toe to toe with someone. it takes a real man to vote to disarm his grandmother, so she has to get in a fist fight with someone attempting to rob/rape/kill her, instead of simply shooting her attacker. Amen to that!!! |
Mad Scientist (aka AmJedi) (OP) User ID: 45078308 United States 09/22/2013 10:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yea I got some yank friends who shit themselves when they see the level of violence we are capable of. Quoting: acuk Anyone can pull a trigger, it takes a real man to go toe to toe with someone. Or a real lunatic...I only fight to win, therefore I use the most efficient means possible. You fight to kill, I fight to win, big difference. like I said, anyone can pull a trigger, guns are readily available here, don't listen to all the who hah, if someone wants a gun, they WILL find one. you are allowed rifles and shotguns, hand guns you can get on the black market along with fully automatic, if you so wished. All they did was block hand guns, HAND GUNS, we can still shoot each other with shotguns and rifles, if we wanted. Seems as though you go looking for fights, that's the difference between us, I just go about my life and enjoy myself, if someone wants to start shit I put them in a hole. This condescension comes from two issues in the psyche of the British male, they lost 1776 to armed farmers and they lost London to muslims without firing a shot. Here's an idea, quit worshiping the World's wealthiest welfare mom and her 'royal' brood and nut up and oust the islamic fundamentalists invading your country. (GLP aka American Jedi) Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth. Kenny Powers If you steal the dreams of others long enough, sooner or later you'll end up in a nightmare. American Jedi Intellectuals solve problems, geniuses prevent them. Albert Einstein Satis Eloquentiae, Sapientiae Parum.... "The last of the old?" "No, the first of the new." |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 47098522 United Kingdom 09/22/2013 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Right Quoting: lightchild_uk 8.5 per 100,000 UK population is about 63,000,000 ( 63,000,000 / 100,000 ) x 8.5 = 5355 violent deaths per year which is about 103 per week, 15 per day. With tight knife and gun control. Whatever!! 15 deaths per day and the media in the UK do not report any of them. I think your figures are way out. We get murders in the single digits per month if any. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 47190888 United Kingdom 09/22/2013 10:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yea I got some yank friends who shit themselves when they see the level of violence we are capable of. Quoting: acuk Anyone can pull a trigger, it takes a real man to go toe to toe with someone. First of all, I don't care if Americans have guns because it is none of my fucking business, nor should it be of any concern to any non-American. Secondly, "it takes a real man to go toe to toe". Well, do you think a burglar with a blade is going to put it down to go toe to toe with you if you catch him in your home? Nope, he's going to stick you and not think twice about it. Under those circumstances a gun can help save your life and possessions. Furthermore, if you've got a gun you have the upper hand... you don't have to shoot him, you can just aim it at him and order him to lay face down on the ground until the police arrive. I have disarmed people, taken their blade off them and showed them how to use it. You lot all talk a good talk, but who here has actually been in the situations being thrown out. A burglar with a blade hahaha,you mean some junkie punk who will see the white of my eyes as I smash the granny out of him. I have grown up in one of the ruffest parts of London, guns are readily available, most burglars are chicken shits, that is why they do sneaky crimes like burglary, residential burglars are looked down upon in the criminal community, commercial burglars are allowed. We have guns, but they are a last resort, a fist or knife fight or bats etc are always the first port of call. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47190888 United Kingdom 09/22/2013 10:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yea I got some yank friends who shit themselves when they see the level of violence we are capable of. Quoting: acuk Anyone can pull a trigger, it takes a real man to go toe to toe with someone. Or a real lunatic...I only fight to win, therefore I use the most efficient means possible. You fight to kill, I fight to win, big difference. like I said, anyone can pull a trigger, guns are readily available here, don't listen to all the who hah, if someone wants a gun, they WILL find one. you are allowed rifles and shotguns, hand guns you can get on the black market along with fully automatic, if you so wished. All they did was block hand guns, HAND GUNS, we can still shoot each other with shotguns and rifles, if we wanted. Seems as though you go looking for fights, that's the difference between us, I just go about my life and enjoy myself, if someone wants to start shit I put them in a hole. No brief I do not look for fights at all, have not had a fight in many many years now, yet grew up fighting, council estates in the uk are a tuff playground to grow up in. |