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Kingman-Art User ID: 21062817 United States 02/12/2014 10:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Supreme Court Asked to Clarify What it Means to ‘Bear’ Arms Quoting: Ag47 [link to blogs.wsj.com] You might think the question would be settled by now, but the U.S. Supreme Court has yet to opine on whether the Second Amendment right to “bear” arms for self-defense extends outside the home. ... two gun rights cases that may get a hearing before the U.S. Supreme Court. Both cases, dealing with restrictions on the ability of minors to possess weapons in public, hinge on the difference between the right to “keep” a gun and a right “bear” one.... ... Writes Mr. Denniston: The Supreme Court in 2008 made it clear that the right to “keep” a gun is a personal right, and that it means one has a right to keep a functioning firearm for self-defense within the home. But it has refused repeatedly since then to take on the question of whether that right exists also outside the home. ... ... “The explicit guarantee of the right to ‘bear’ arms would mean nothing if it did not protect the right to ‘bear’ arms outside of the home, where the Amendment already guarantees that they may be ‘kept,’ ” ... ... The federal government wants the Supreme Court to take a pass.... ... A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. NO where does it say that it is only for self defense. it says shall not be infringed. All gun control laws violate the amendment. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 51592178 United States 02/12/2014 11:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No - Article 2 only let's you keep a gun inside your house. It is pretty clear about that. If you look at Jefferson's writings, he was only talking about indoors, as in, your house. Like your papers and other personal effects. Now go pay your NRA yearly fee. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 11650839 United States 02/12/2014 11:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No - Article 2 only let's you keep a gun inside your house. It is pretty clear about that. If you look at Jefferson's writings, he was only talking about indoors, as in, your house. Like your papers and other personal effects. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51592178 Now go pay your NRA yearly fee. So if someone shoots at you outside your home you can't shoot back? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 54297138 United States 02/13/2014 12:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Supreme Court Asked to Clarify What it Means to ‘Bear’ Arms Quoting: Ag47 ... Writes Mr. Denniston: The Supreme Court in 2008 made it clear that the right to “keep” a gun is a personal right, and that it means one has a right to keep a functioning firearm for self-defense within the home. But it has refused repeatedly since then to take on the question of whether that right exists also outside the home. ... ... Thread: I'll Clarify the Meaning / Intent of "right to bear arms" for the Supreme Court For the idiots that think that the 2nd amendment was meant to limit persons to muskets even to extend that stupidity to today, I say what the framers meant was for persons to be able to own and bear arms in whatever type weapon is available to and equal to the threat posed by those who would impose tyranny. If AR-15s were around then and RPG's etc., then those too would have been in the framer's minds as to what they would want persons to be able to own and bear. As for whether they meant to bear an arm only in one's home, well I'll make that perfectly clear right here and now, not everyone lived in a home / dwelling. There were frontiersmen, people who lived off the land, tents in the wide open and they all had arms if they could afford them and their rights are the rights of all persons in this country home owner or not. So the issue of bearing arms outside the home should not even be up for discussion. The intent was to have the right to bear arms wherever you are notwithstanding all the damn restriced areas that have been put into law since the 2nd amendment was enacted. |
mehitable User ID: 1524722 United States 02/13/2014 12:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | More lawyers' tricks about the definition of what "is is". Bearing arms means to right to defend yourself, and would have been applicable both in and outside the home in our Forefathers' day. It was common for people to have weapons and use them for hunting and defense. Our Forefathers knew that slaves don't have weapons - they have no right of self defense. We have a right to defend ourselves, especially from the GOVERNMENT, and to CHANGE THAT GOVERNMENT, if need be. People shy away from that, but really....can anyone deny that the Founders saw the potential future need for this? |
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iamwhatiam User ID: 3069369 United States 02/13/2014 01:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the writers of the Constitution, are your Creators? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24299947 Screw them and their "ruling". They "rule" over nothing of mine and most certainly not over my Creator endowed right to defend myself. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47330867 Are you implying that your rights are endowed from a piece of paper? Better yet, what's a sheep like you doing on a site like this? |
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iamwhatiam User ID: 3069369 United States 02/13/2014 01:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No - Article 2 only let's you keep a gun inside your house. It is pretty clear about that. If you look at Jefferson's writings, he was only talking about indoors, as in, your house. Like your papers and other personal effects. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51592178 Now go pay your NRA yearly fee. So if someone shoots at you outside your home you can't shoot back? Its funny you would even think about citing the federalist papers having clearly. never read them. |
Ms. Superduper User ID: 46155084 United States 02/13/2014 01:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Okay, so this has not been defined YET? Let's see now, how many years has this been on the books? "Depends on what the definition of what 'is' is". The devil is the author of confusion. That's it - plain and simple. Greater is He who is in me than he who is in the world. Whatever feels good to your soul, do that. |
AnonIDW User ID: 54299205 United States 02/13/2014 01:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think this is typical liberal bullshit. It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is ring a bell? The definition of bear is to carry on ones person, the definition of 'shall not be infringed' isn't that obtuse. What it means is tat all Americans have the right to carry weapons wherever they go. Now granted , it should be up to an individual whether they allow it on their property, but in public the meaning is clear. The government is aware there is a clearly defined line drawn and they've been chiseling away at it for 100 years, and where gun rights are concerned the people will not bend any further. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 52091225 Canada 02/13/2014 01:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Supreme Court Asked to Clarify What it Means to ‘Bear’ Arms Quoting: Ag47 [link to blogs.wsj.com] You might think the question would be settled by now, but the U.S. Supreme Court has yet to opine on whether the Second Amendment right to “bear” arms for self-defense extends outside the home. ... two gun rights cases that may get a hearing before the U.S. Supreme Court. Both cases, dealing with restrictions on the ability of minors to possess weapons in public, hinge on the difference between the right to “keep” a gun and a right “bear” one.... ... Writes Mr. Denniston: The Supreme Court in 2008 made it clear that the right to “keep” a gun is a personal right, and that it means one has a right to keep a functioning firearm for self-defense within the home. But it has refused repeatedly since then to take on the question of whether that right exists also outside the home. ... ... “The explicit guarantee of the right to ‘bear’ arms would mean nothing if it did not protect the right to ‘bear’ arms outside of the home, where the Amendment already guarantees that they may be ‘kept,’ ” ... ... The federal government wants the Supreme Court to take a pass.... ... A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. NO where does it say that it is only for self defense. it says shall not be infringed. All gun control laws violate the amendment. Exactly and well put. We obviously can't just GIVE guns to people who will use them against others without cause, but a law abiding citzen has every right to own firearms. No matter what the State says, you not only have the right to be able to defend yourself against those who would do you harm, but you have a DUTY to protect yourself and other innocent people. Initiating violence is not acceptable, but meeting force with force is the only way to deal with people who don't value human lives. You also have the right to keep your government in check, and that is also your DUTY as a citizen. Rogue governments that enslave their people are nothing new, and history has told us time and time again that this is not only possible, but inevitable. No rational person would ever hand their gun willingly to an attacker before the fight has even begun. You cannot allow the government to disarm you, because once you are weaponless they will no longer fear you. You need only to see the corruption and decadence of those in power to know that this day is fast approaching. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 48404550 United States 02/13/2014 01:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But it has refused repeatedly since then to take on the question of whether that right exists also outside the home. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54297138 Thus this vaunted body has affirmed it does not have the institutional ability to read the English language. [link to www.oxforddictionaries.com] In every sense the word bear is used it conveys the sense of to CARRY You can keep your firearms in your house AND you can affix them in some manner to your person and walk about; inside or outside your house. Perhaps the appointment of the last non-judge member tipped the SC over the edge. In any case I expect them to "rule" just as their masters tell them to rule. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 48404550 United States 02/13/2014 01:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The cold hard reality IMO we must deal with is the SC will rule you do not have the right to defend yourself from government goons. These goons will have the finest FULLY AUTO weapons your taxes can buy. They will likely arrive at your house in one of the 30,000 30 ton Urban Tanks with 50 cal machine guns mounted on the roof "for protection of the SWAT teams" that DHS has distributed far and wide across the land. This "government" has sold us so far out you need astronomical units to measure it. |
Free Planet User ID: 54299845 United Kingdom 02/13/2014 01:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this 'right to bear arms' nonsense just means WE DON'T TRUST GOVERNMENT, so, "Why have government." You don't need it. You don't (then) need guns, because... You don't have the incentive to PROTECT ANYTHING on a Free Planet - it's ours, and noone can take it away from 'any of us'. Seems easy, more fun, and cheaper for everyone. What would you do? Thread: If THE PLANET was free, what would you do? |
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