Children as young as kindergarten-age could face misdemeanor charges for bullying under a proposed law in California city

Im 44, so if i lived there i could do what i want then?

The problem with bullying is that the principal and teachers who are much bigger bullies that the kids...

Our police are bullies, our government is a bully....

The bulling needs to addressed top down for any of it to ever work.

This bring tears to my eyes

I'm guessing this is psychological conditioning. IF a person seriously confronted a non-lobotomized adult with this, they would surely laugh it off, and use the first amendment.

However, young children are being conditioned to not question authority, and jump on these fascist ideas to help protect them from themselves.

This is coming from the same state that hosted toy-gun turn ins.

I tell you what. I'm comparing California to the movie demolition man. Be well John Sparten!

The hilarity is the nasty violence that goes on there while these incompetwat suburbanites ignore the vast swath of poor, criminal element, and immigrants staged on the tip of a knife ready to go bonkers if the EBT benefits run out, or cable tv is turned off, or if there is some weird perceived racial affront fanned by the media. Little johnny will be so afraid to defend himself, and little Johnny is being taught to be a victim.

Our culture is being neutered right before our eyes. When the barbarians decide it's time to take. Little Johnny will get a real education fast, and the police he's learned to trust will likely be the ones giving him an education on bullying if he ever questions things.

time to move all the senior homes in America to that city, that will fixem !!!!!

Im 44 and i can bully people in that city...

According to the article, the kid's parents will have to pay a fine (or, if it's the 3rd offense, a goddamn misdemeanor charge) for their kid's bullying behavior.

If an adult is 'caught' bullying they could go to jail.

WTF. WTF. WTF. WTF I don't know whether to laugh or wince.

"If a child is bullying someone, and a parent has to pay a $100 fine as a result of that, a responsible parent will realize their child needs some help," said Councilman Mike Gipson, who introduced the ordinance and is spearheading a campaign to make Carson bully-free."

I have to almost agree with that, maybe when that starts happening more some discipline will be brought back.

Why should the state have to bully (heh) parents into better disciplining their kids? This is a cultural problem that you can't simply coerce out of people.

We're heading down a dangerous path. The definition of bullying is far too broad.

Whether it's too broad or too narrow...schools are not doing enough about it, imo.

Oh...they'll enforce strict discipline about what kids can eat for lunch, or what they are or are not allowed to wear, but victimizing other kids...and they often just give them a mild 'telling off'

Great... So, my kid pushes your kid, he gets slapped with a misdemeanor, and can't get accepted into college because of his youthful issues in controlling his anger. Children aren't adults. They don't know how to control their emotions yet, and to punish them and the parents using the judicial system is only another mechanism that the government is using to intrude into an individual's life, and undermine parental rights.

Heck, imagine if the ole' tyke gets home with his summons to court, and mommy spanks him.... oh no, I guess we better take the ole boy from his parents, and put him in the foster care system. That way some negligent totalitarian looking for a tax break can keep him in a group home, and give him the treatment he deserves to be a well functioning member of society.

This anti-bullying mess is nothing more then social conditioning, and it's being pushed to control the children, and their parents. What more effective way to keep parents in line then to threaten their kids eh?

Guess why the government and public school system is so concerned about bullying? If a generation of people are never forced to cope with it, recognize it, and fight against it, then the federal government has pretty much cornered the market.

The biggest bully I know are individuals who tell others how to live, and use the threat of force(the law) in order to get others to capitulate to their rules and designs.

....sorry for the rant. I'm not aiming hate at you. I just wanted to point out this mess is a slippery slope, and our country is already on the slip and slide.

I am SO glad I don't live in Kalifornia. I was born there, but I'll NEVER go back. Not even to visit.

That's because our courts, unions, and scholastic organizations have big brother holding the teachers and the parents hostage with threats of loosing their livelihoods, or their children.

Kids are smart enough to know that a teacher can't do shit to them without endangering their job. What does this mean?

Food for the prison system. Do we really want even closer ties with the prison system and our education system? The real trouble makers are already sent to "special schools" Why don't we remove that step all together?

Heck, they may be able to go ahead and reserve whole cell blocks for little kids that start a food fight in the 3rd grade.

In order to combat this perceived problem, you need to change the entire system of education. We keep treating symptoms of diseases in our culture. Somehow we think adding rules and more regulations to a system that never worked in the first place is going to make things better......

It needs to be scrapped, and rebuilt, and the parents should build it, not some committee of retards with political agendas, psyop guides, and real "good intentions"

Imagine if we still had the all age group neighborhood schoolhouses which employed a teacher whose salary was derived from the parent's funding.... I wonder what things would look like today if we kept that model and expanded it.

Let the government treat us like kids...hmmmm

No, that's not what I'm saying.

But let the government treat kids like kids...i.e...bring back discipline.

These days, teachers can't discipline kids. Parents can't discipline kids. So the kids have no fear or respect for teachers, parents, the law or any other person in society. They are breeding a generation of anarchists.

I grew up in the age of corporal punishment. It didn't do me any harm. Kept me in check, if anything.

If schools are to teach kids anything, it should be firstly, respect.

Agreed

1. 'bullying' = intentional abuse.
the 'bullying' is not a one time incident, he goes after the same kids, every day.
and the 'bully' will be abusing several kids, so it is not "he started it", "no, he started it", uncertainty. and the bully is usually larger.
so it is very easy, to see who is the bully, and who are his victims.

2. most criminals hide their identity, and are very hard to catch. many crimes are never solved.
these will be easy; and the cops can actually do something usefull. for examples; cops can't protect a battered woman from her ex., even if she has a restraining order. cops can't, or will not, arrest corupt 'leaders', when they are claerly breaking 'the law'.

3. our society is run by crazy people. we have to do something, to either lock them up, or change their behavior. or they will just grow up to be murderers and politicians.
and the crazy world will never end.

re; spanking;

if you have a GOOD KID, you almost never have to spank.

if you have a little hell raiser, you can spank every day, AND IT DOES NOT HELP.

every night, my brother was spanked, and was told; 'to BEHAVE, LISTEN TO MOM, DON'T SASS BACK', AND HE SAID "yes, sir," every time. but, every day, dad is at work, and the little hell raiser, just HAD to raise hell.

As a former teacher of 10 years, I can tell you the culture of the school Principal has changed. The most logistical important job they have is school wide discipline, but moreover Principals (many of which indoctrinated with Dr. Benjamin Spock like ideals) are often fundraiser's in chief and defer what was once their #1 priority to VP's if they have one or kick the most serious offenses up to the Admin's.

So if kindergarteners can commit crimes, does that mean they are old enough to know the difference between right and wrong and should be treated like adults when they commit crimes or are involved in a crime?

Trying punishing or prosecuting children as adults and then putting restrictions on them that do not apply to adults is a strange idea to them I am sure.

Example given: A teenager decides to lie about her age and has sex with a man older than 18 and shes 15, the man is automatically a criminal in the laws eyes because it is the assumption of the 'law' that the girl is too young to understand the consequences of her actions, and ignorance is no excuse for the man. it makes no difference that the young girl lied!

. Same girl goes out and hacks a rival teenager to pieces with an axe, and guess what, all of a sudden she knew exactly what she was doing and should be held accountable and 'tried as an adult'. I think this is the correct approach. Double standards in laws that do not apply equally in all situations are not justice.

Either children are capable of understanding right and wrong and are responsible for their willful actions, or they're not. schizophrenic legal standards are not doing them any favors.[or anyone but the ones intentionally undermining society]


I personally believe the idea that children are not capable of knowingly doing evil is ridiculous. I also believe the notion that children are innocent is ridiculous and naive in the extreme. You may not like to believe it, but your children are not innocent and they can be extremely cruel intentionally, knowing because they're kids they're not going to be punished as they should be. That's not to say yours are rotten, they might be good, but I won't assume that!
. I've seen kids do evil, mean things and they knew exactly what they were doing and they knew it was wrong. A child that derives pleasure from wrongdoing is guilty as hell just like anyone else.They should be held to account for criminal acts and they should never be assumed as innocent in any situation.

Children who commit violent or cruel crimes should be locked up just like anyone else, and making the assumption that children are incapable of doing evil is a dangerous one indeed. "Reform" schools need to make a comeback, and children that lie to school officials, police or courts should know there are consequences to lying and especially to perjury. This is a very serious problem in any criminal investigation in any way involving children, because though they can and do testify or give statements, no penalty for lying can be enforced on them and they are more often than not aware of this and even told this!

What we are going to end up with if we are not careful is children learning how to manipulate and control society, families , classrooms and any situation because they know all they have to do is incriminate or accuse their parents, teachers or other authority figures in their lives of some sort of abuse or wrongdoing. The way our justice system is prosecuting these cases, it is assumed that the very same person who cannot be held to account for lying is always telling the truth when the child's story conflicts with an adult, an adult who is held to account legally for his lies. Sounds like a really bad setup, I wonder who's behind it?


We need to make sure we protect kids from harm caused by the actions of others and themselves, while at the same time tempering it with common sense and realizing kids not only do evil things, they know exactly how to manipulate the adults in a given situation ebcause they are more or less born knowing how to manipulate adults through deception and it starts with the first cry.

I am not advocating treating kids like adults, but we do need to be cognizant of the fact kids are just like adults when it comes to good and bad, there are good kids and there are bad ones and everything in between, and the really bad ones can fool the shit out of you and are very astute at concealing wrongdoings and deception.

Young children are so good at lying that polygraph tests cannot be used to determine truthfulness. They measure stress, and if you know getting caught lying has no consequences , it is impossible to induce stress by asking questions.
Never trust any child to be innocent, honest or trustworthy unless you have observed them closely for quite some time. Some are born rotten and there is no fixing them, and others are kind , trustworthy and honest.

Yes, it's serious, THEY COULD.

We need litmus testing for lawmakers. Because every 5 year old is developmentally mature enough to understand that if he picks on someone....there could be consequence....other than time out. REALLY.

I never thought I would see the day people would be this brainwashed. They bought that propaganda hook line and sinker.

You started with small steps, you can undo it with bigger ones, protect the children! The politically correct dumb, dummies are stark raving insane, to put it mildly, they are losing what is left of their minds at an alarming rate!

God, In Jesus name, Save The Children before it is to late! AMEN