What the hell did people do with all the old flash memory cards? | |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 59495170 United States 06/21/2014 04:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Or, you could just buy a newer camera. Quoting: LostInForever I'm not gonna bother putting in legacy hardware for a parallel port just so I can use some thrift store printer, why are you looking to do the same with memory cards? So you think I should spend $150 to $200 to buy a new camera that has the same features (minus a few extra MP) as the camera I already have now, for lack of a $5 SD card that will work in it. If my previous multi hundred dollar investment turned to landfill material that quickly, then why in the heck would you expect me to plop another several hundred into another that will put me in the same position in a few more years? |
LostInForever User ID: 1446989 United States 06/21/2014 04:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Or, you could just buy a newer camera. Quoting: LostInForever I'm not gonna bother putting in legacy hardware for a parallel port just so I can use some thrift store printer, why are you looking to do the same with memory cards? So you think I should spend $150 to $200 to buy a new camera that has the same features (minus a few extra MP) as the camera I already have now, for lack of a $5 SD card that will work in it. If my previous multi hundred dollar investment turned to landfill material that quickly, then why in the heck would you expect me to plop another several hundred into another that will put me in the same position in a few more years? If you'd actually spent multi hundred dollars on it, you'd still have memory cards for it. And yeah, I do. That's the nature of hardware. |
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Judethz User ID: 47012985 United Kingdom 06/21/2014 04:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is something that has always frustrated me. You can see old digital cameras and other devices for sale in flea markets and thrift shops, and here and there. BUT you almost never see any with the memory card with them, and you never find any old memory cards here and there. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59495170 The normal answer would be “just go to wally world and get a memory card” The problem comes from the fact that the older cameras and other devices can’t use the cards that are currently on the shelves. The smallest ones you can get any more are 4GB and larger. In many stores 8GB is the smallest one they have. Even a lot of relatively new cameras and other devices can’t use any SD cards over 2GB. Some of the older cameras won’t even take 2GB SD cards. A lot of the older ones had limits of 256 or 512 MB cards. That size limit is especially true with old cameras that take compact flash cards. So when I see one for sale at the local goodwill or flea market and I don’t see a memory card in it, then I know anyone buying it will be buying a paperweight because they will not be able to buy a memory card to use with it without going through a very limited set of online retailers. A limited set that is rapidly dwindling. Yet, I never see any old used memory cards for sale anywhere along with that electronic equipment, or in boxes of old electronic junk, or other places. So that makes me wonder… Where the hell did all those old memory cards go? You know the will have at least one card with every camera they purchased, and many people will by extras. So why is it that when that equipment gets to the used market, the memory cards needed to use the equipment is no where to be found? It’s irritating as hell seeing perfectly good equipment on the shelf that you can’t use because you can’t find a memory card small enough to use it. With the growing size of cards on the shelf, It has gotten to the point that someone really needs to find a way to hack an SDHC card to make it appear as an SD card with a smaller size. Where you could take a 4 GB SDHC card and hack it to where it would conform to the older SD standard and report it’s capacity as 256mb. The same for CF and other media formats. I know dang well it’s possible. It’s not a hardware issue. The hardware layer interface is the same between SD, and SDHC. It’s strictly a software/firmware issue. I know people hack the firmware on the controllers of 2GB SD cards to report as SDHC 64GB cards and they sell them on ebay to defraud people. And you see people that bought those cards on the different sites using software to rehack the cards to reload the proper firmware into the SD card so that it will be usable again at it’s actual capacity. So the exact opposite should be possible. Take and hack the firmware of a 4 GB SDHC card so that the microcontroller on the SDHC card will report as a FAT formatted SD card with size of 16MB The problem with me, or someone else out in the consumer market hacking the cards is with the fact that I and other people don’t have access to the source code for the SD card firmware. So we would be starting at an extreme disadvantage. While it would be easy for the manufactures to make a program available to allow you to reprogram your cards to a lower capacity. The manufacturer providing an application for downsizing their product would be the best option. I don’t care about being able to use the full capacity of the card, I just want to be able to use readily available cards with the equipment I have. I know it’s possible with some hacking, but I have not seen it done at this point in time. Maybe, when the availability of new old stock low capacity cards reach a certain level, the people or the manufacturers will be forced to come up with a way. I can only hope that some manufactuer would provide a utility to help people needing a card smaller than they currently provide, by allowing them to intentionally downsize and backslide a larger capacity card that they can readily obtain on the market.. Congrats OP it looks like you just ID'd a good business opportunity for someone. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 23017670 United States 06/21/2014 05:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Typically, memory grows in value over time vs. other computing components that lose value. The reason is that tech gets better and better and certain formats/forms/connections fall by the wayside. You are noticing why in real life. You buy an old digital camera for cheap. Why? Because it's old tech. That's why it's cheap. But you need one key component to make it work... the memory card! That item is no longer produced and has been replaced with better tech. But unlike the camera, the memory stick is in short supply and high demand thus making it valuable. I always save memory cards for all my stuff; cameras, PCs, etc. I find that often times I can re-sell them later as used for more that I bought them for new years before. When I tear down and re-build my PC once every 3-5 years the RAM is one of the few things that will make more money than what I spend on it! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 59495322 United States 06/21/2014 05:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Memory is kind of funny that way. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23017670 Typically, memory grows in value over time vs. other computing components that lose value. The reason is that tech gets better and better and certain formats/forms/connections fall by the wayside. You are noticing why in real life. You buy an old digital camera for cheap. Why? Because it's old tech. That's why it's cheap. But you need one key component to make it work... the memory card! That item is no longer produced and has been replaced with better tech. But unlike the camera, the memory stick is in short supply and high demand thus making it valuable. I always save memory cards for all my stuff; cameras, PCs, etc. I find that often times I can re-sell them later as used for more that I bought them for new years before. When I tear down and re-build my PC once every 3-5 years the RAM is one of the few things that will make more money than what I spend on it! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 11594250 United States 06/21/2014 05:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I found this workaround with my older music instrument that needs a 1 gb or less CF card. I got a 2 gb and partitioned it into two 1 gb partitions and it ended up working. Maybe you can try that. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 59495170 United States 06/21/2014 05:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As far as the issue with using larger cards in smaller devices try seeing what file format the device you use needs. Then on your computer partition that drive to have a small partition of the size your camera/device needs and a larger partition of blank space. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11594250 I found this workaround with my older music instrument that needs a 1 gb or less CF card. I got a 2 gb and partitioned it into two 1 gb partitions and it ended up working. Maybe you can try that. I tried that with cameras, but it has never worked for me. Soon as I put it in, it recognizes that the partition does not match the device size, so it wants to reformat, and once it does, then it can’t read it. For it to work, the modification actually has to change the physical size that the card reports. (IE.. Hack the card firmware.) |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 59495170 United States 06/21/2014 05:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Or, you could just buy a newer camera. Quoting: LostInForever I'm not gonna bother putting in legacy hardware for a parallel port just so I can use some thrift store printer, why are you looking to do the same with memory cards? So you think I should spend $150 to $200 to buy a new camera that has the same features (minus a few extra MP) as the camera I already have now, for lack of a $5 SD card that will work in it. If my previous multi hundred dollar investment turned to landfill material that quickly, then why in the heck would you expect me to plop another several hundred into another that will put me in the same position in a few more years? If you'd actually spent multi hundred dollars on it, you'd still have memory cards for it. And yeah, I do. That's the nature of hardware. I paid around $300+ for a Toshiba camera. It has a cannon lens. It can be set to fully auto or, program, or fully manual control. Full manual control includes Shutter speed from 1/1000 to 15 seconds. Ap from 2.9 to 8, full zoom, and full ISO controls, with real time histogram display, and pre flash. The only place it is lacking is in the MP area weighing in at 4MP A decent brand camera with the equivalent controllability and functionality will be in the $200 to $300 and up range. The upper end of the Fuji finpix line of cameras comes to mind. The only true problem is that it will only take 512MB and smaller SD cards. I purchased a couple SD cards with the camera. I crushed one a while back, so I am down to one. All I can find for sources for new ones is a few limited online stores. Some of them charging $20 to $30 for reputable brand NOS cards. Totally unknown brand cards can be had for $5 or so from a handful of sources. Or you have to get used ones through EBAY which I never like dealing with. I ended up paying way too much for a couple extra, but it just infuriates me that there is no easier way around a problem that I know is going to get worse as time goes on. |
LostInForever User ID: 1446989 United States 06/21/2014 11:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Alright yeah, I see your point. In very infrequent cases like yours, that sucks. But you'll just have to bite the bullet and buy a new one, unless you can hack something yourself. No company is going to invest time and money in your solution, they'd lose their shirt because the number of people needing a solution like yours is so small they would never recoup their investment in r&d and manufacturing. Or you could just buy these: [link to www.amazon.com] |