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Anonymous Coward User ID: 54570439 United States 08/22/2014 08:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Amendment V No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. Void where prohibited by law. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 5585294 United States 08/22/2014 09:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i know this is minor but.... got a parking ticket loading stuff into my car at the only loading dock on the block....for parking in a no parking for loading or unloading trucks. fought the ticket....had a copy of the invoice and rental agreement for said equipment...even had the date stamp just 1 minute before the ticket was signed.... the judge said i did not have proof i was not just parked there...he said i needed proof with photo of the officer writing said ticket with the car at the loading dock....wittiness needed to be brought into parking court..... so the burden of proof was on me. |
Use your brian, moran! User ID: 56043334 United States 08/22/2014 09:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Amendment V Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54570439 No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. Void where prohibited by law. The Law of the Land is void where prohibited by law. Much like the case with gun laws which violate We The People's Constitutionally recognized Rights....if it is not compliant with the Constitution & The Bill of Rights, it's not a law, it's a waste of taxpayers money, a waste of breath & not worth the paper which it was written on, digital or otherwise. I'm a proud Texan & American, posting from Central Texas & have no clue why my flag shows friggin Canada(no offense to my Canadian friends). "Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." Diderot "Immigration without assimilation is invasion!" - Anonymous Coward Gird your lions, shave your Family & panic sex the 'maters! "When your so-called religion is purely a political theory of conquest, and deception is one of it's core principles then it strikes me as perfectly sane and reasonable to assume literally everyone who is of such a "religion" to be exactly the same POS who deserves to be treated as the enemy non-stop." Darkwolf007 |
Use your brian, moran! User ID: 56043334 United States 08/22/2014 09:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Amendment V Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54570439 No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. Void where prohibited by law. The Law of the Land is void where prohibited by law. Much like the case with gun laws which violate We The People's Constitutionally recognized Rights....if it is not compliant with the Constitution & The Bill of Rights, it's not a law, it's a waste of taxpayers money, a waste of breath & not worth the paper which it was written on, digital or otherwise. I wonder how many Lawyers will end up being sued, how many Concealed Carry Class Instructors will be sued, for telling people "don't say anything but your name & that you are exercising your Right to remain silent until you have consulted with an attorney". I'm a proud Texan & American, posting from Central Texas & have no clue why my flag shows friggin Canada(no offense to my Canadian friends). "Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." Diderot "Immigration without assimilation is invasion!" - Anonymous Coward Gird your lions, shave your Family & panic sex the 'maters! "When your so-called religion is purely a political theory of conquest, and deception is one of it's core principles then it strikes me as perfectly sane and reasonable to assume literally everyone who is of such a "religion" to be exactly the same POS who deserves to be treated as the enemy non-stop." Darkwolf007 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61399855 United States 08/22/2014 09:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i know this is minor but.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5585294 got a parking ticket loading stuff into my car at the only loading dock on the block....for parking in a no parking for loading or unloading trucks. fought the ticket....had a copy of the invoice and rental agreement for said equipment...even had the date stamp just 1 minute before the ticket was signed.... the judge said i did not have proof i was not just parked there...he said i needed proof with photo of the officer writing said ticket with the car at the loading dock....wittiness needed to be brought into parking court..... so the burden of proof was on me. Sorry to hear that. We all have had experiences with crooked cops and their helpful judges. Don't let this judge work in anonymity; get his name. Get the cops name. Put up a webpage, dig up some nasty facts. Go to cop block and do a write up. When other people get burned by these tyrants they will do a google search and discover they are not alone. These tyrants will do an ego search some day and realize the mass of peasants with pitchforks who utterly hate them. It might even get them to behave nicely. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 60499412 United States 08/22/2014 09:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Regardless..... CLAP YOUR TRAP untill you have representation. If it's obvious you're getting locked up or going to court, they do and will embellish anything you say that's useful to them. Why give them ammo against you ? You need to pitt a liar against a liar, sadly it's a neccessary evil with the state of corruptness in our courts. Your "day in court" is a theatrical formality.....assume the outcome to be predetermined. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9883121 United States 08/22/2014 09:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Prosecutors May Use The Silence Of A Defendant As Proof Of Guilt Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25621584 [link to jonathanturley.org] The California Supreme Court has handed down a major 4-3 decision in a vehicular manslaughter case that further erodes the rights of citizens to remain silent after being placed into custody. As are all familiar with the Miranda warning that “You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.” However, as we recently discussed, the Supreme Court by plurality decision that effectively allowed pre-Miranda silence to be used against a criminal defendant in Salinas v. Texas 570 U.S. ___, ___ (2013) (plur. opn. of Alito, J.). Now, the California Supreme Court in People v. Tom, has handed down the first major application of Salinas and ruled that the prosecution can use the silence of a defendant (Richard Tom, left) as evidence of guilt. In California, it is not simply what you say but what you do not say that can be used against you. It is not clear if they are going to change the warning to let people know that if they do not speak, their silence can be used as incriminating. |
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MIgardener User ID: 2218630 Canada 08/22/2014 10:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Prosecutors May Use The Silence Of A Defendant As Proof Of Guilt Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25621584 [link to jonathanturley.org] The California Supreme Court has handed down a major 4-3 decision in a vehicular manslaughter case that further erodes the rights of citizens to remain silent after being placed into custody. As are all familiar with the Miranda warning that “You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.” However, as we recently discussed, the Supreme Court by plurality decision that effectively allowed pre-Miranda silence to be used against a criminal defendant in Salinas v. Texas 570 U.S. ___, ___ (2013) (plur. opn. of Alito, J.). Now, the California Supreme Court in People v. Tom, has handed down the first major application of Salinas and ruled that the prosecution can use the silence of a defendant (Richard Tom, left) as evidence of guilt. In California, it is not simply what you say but what you do not say that can be used against you. It is not clear if they are going to change the warning to let people know that if they do not speak, their silence can be used as incriminating. California is the most liberal state there is. "All that is necessary for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing." That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.-Romans 10:9 "In this galaxy, there's a mathematical probability of three million Earth-type planets. And in all of the universe, three million million galaxies like this. And in all of that... and perhaps more, only one of each of us."-Dr.Mccoy |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 61985993 United States 08/22/2014 10:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Amendment V Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54570439 No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. Void where prohibited by law. And there goes the fifth amendment... though it always seems that the courts take pleading of the fifth as admission of guilt. This is one fucked up world we live in. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61861099 United States 08/22/2014 10:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Prosecutors May Use The Silence Of A Defendant As Proof Of Guilt Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25621584 [link to jonathanturley.org] The California Supreme Court has handed down a major 4-3 decision in a vehicular manslaughter case that further erodes the rights of citizens to remain silent after being placed into custody. As are all familiar with the Miranda warning that “You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.” However, as we recently discussed, the Supreme Court by plurality decision that effectively allowed pre-Miranda silence to be used against a criminal defendant in Salinas v. Texas 570 U.S. ___, ___ (2013) (plur. opn. of Alito, J.). Now, the California Supreme Court in People v. Tom, has handed down the first major application of Salinas and ruled that the prosecution can use the silence of a defendant (Richard Tom, left) as evidence of guilt. In California, it is not simply what you say but what you do not say that can be used against you. It is not clear if they are going to change the warning to let people know that if they do not speak, their silence can be used as incriminating. California is the most liberal state there is. Wouldn't saying he is innocent be a liberal reaction? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 61985993 United States 08/22/2014 10:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What people don't get about the 5th amendment is it is not meant for a defendant to cover up his guilt by saying nothing, it is to keep the lying pigs from twisting your words or in a state of fear & anxiety you say something that could be misconstrued. And trust me, LEOs WILL lie on the stand or just forget what they heard themselves and make it up as they go. Alot of people are sunk in court just because they opened their mouth even if they would have had a good chance of beating the case or avoiding indictment. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22076896 Sadly, this is true. And because it is true, it means that there is no such thing as a fair trial in this country. Besides, law enforcement leaks info to the media, which, in turn, prosecutes the defendant before said person even goes to trial. Yup... good 'ol USSA. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 47413488 United States 08/22/2014 10:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Regardless..... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60499412 CLAP YOUR TRAP untill you have representation. If it's obvious you're getting locked up or going to court, they do and will embellish anything you say that's useful to them. Why give them ammo against you ? You need to pitt a liar against a liar, sadly it's a neccessary evil with the state of corruptness in our courts. Your "day in court" is a theatrical formality.....assume the outcome to be predetermined. This! I should add, the court said you must exercise (invoke) your 5th Amendment right. Simply repeat, I invoke my 5th amendment right to remain silent, and nothing else. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 59880083 United States 08/22/2014 10:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They can and have circumvented the Constitution, the highest law of the land by passing illegal laws. Due process does not really exist anymore. All they need to do is to identify you as an "enemy combatant" and there goes all of your inalienable rights. Now they've pretty much written off the 5th Amendment. The 4th is really gone. The 1st will soon be history after James Risen is incarcerated. And all this is done in our name which makes us complicit in this. Oh yeah, don't forget to pay your taxes since they have to maintain their standard of living while the rest of ours decline. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 59140020 United States 08/22/2014 10:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ROFLMAO.....I lived there for over 20 years when I was in the military. I saw all the liberal BS these people would vote for. Now it's going to bite them in the azzss. Oh well they wanted a liberal utopia now they have to live in it. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 58351617 United States 08/22/2014 10:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Amendment V Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54570439 No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. Void where prohibited by law. definitely void in any constitutionally active zone |