OOPS! Watch NASA admit that we STILL can't get a human past the Van Allen belts...

Maybe you have to use a "special" and "unique" launch trajectory, depending on your destination?

Apollo was lucky, because it had a trajectory that avoided most of the VAB?

I dunno. Maybe The NASA fanboi shills can straighten us out on that?

There's dangerous radiation in space and they needed to test the NEW SPACECRAFT to see if it can handle it.
It does NOT mention that previous spacecraft couldn't handle their trajectories.
It does NOT mention that NASA doesn't know how to get humans past the VARBs.
Considering they are BELTS, you theoretically don't have to go through them at all to get beyond them.
Such trajectories would however require prohibitive amounts of fuel.


They are always bothered about it.
The Apollo Command Module was similarly tested on the Apollo 4 flight.


That only gives you a launch window of a few hours a day, for a few days per lunar cycle.
By going deeper into the VARBs Orion could fly to the Moon more often.

And there's no "allegedly" regarding the trajectories taken by Apollo spacecraft.
Unless you want to claim that all the people watching from dozens of countries were all part of a massive conspiracy that somehow managed to prevent every one else from watching.




In your own words: explain to us what you thing the belt [sic] is?

Perhaps it is you who doesn't have a fucking clue.

Will NASA use Russian Soyuz ships for such missions?

Like they use it for sending own astronauts to the ISS!

Isnt there a thread wth like 50 pages on this SAME video?

Actually, what he said is extremely concise and easy to understand if you aren't trying to reconcile your beliefs with his statements.

He said precisely, "..shielding will be put to the test as the vehicle cuts through waves of radiation. Sensors aboard will record radiation levels for scientists to study. We must solve these challenges before we can pass through this region of space."

That statement absolutely does suggest that the public NASA program has never sent a manned vehicle through the Van Allen belt before. To make it even clearer, if they had done it before, they would already have the radiation levels data for scientists to study.

And of course, now is the point at which you grasp at the last straw and suggest that radiation sensor technology has changed so drastically since the Apollo era and that's why they need the 'new' data... etc etc Right?

Any one that uses the word Shills is a conspiracy nutcase themselves

Dr. James Van Allen, discoverer of the VABs, initially thought that the Explorer results indicated that space was full of highly energetic and very dangerous, radiation.

After "They" "had a word" with him, he did a complete 180 and proclaimed that radiation in space was basically a non-issue.

Indeed, the word is overused as people seem to label any and everyone that disagrees with them a 'shill.' That being said though, our government has openly admitted that they use paid employees to troll, derail and sabotage information they want stifled or misinformation they want propagated. So maybe you are just naive?

The video says nothing about not sending people to the moon
Or sending, they talk about something completely different,
but that wont stop the conspiracy nut jobs trying to put round pegs in square holes

Ever get an X-ray? You are only allowed a few per year, but they don't kill you...same thing with the Van Allen belt.

Last Edited by BRIEF on 03/15/2015 10:17 AM

Actually you can get an X-Ray as many times as you want as long as you fly around the X-Ray or speed through it really fast. Won't hurt you.

that's funny enough to be true.

The problem could be that the VAB's are variable and dynamic. One day highly dangerous in one location and the very next day - meh there, but dangerous elsewhere. The trick is to remove the variable by properly shielding the craft.






Last Edited by Birkeland on 03/15/2015 06:49 PM

Game. Set. Match.

We never went to the moon.

Done.

Next.

apparently, it takes about THREE DAYS to travel to the moon... through the very radioactive space between here and there... how would this be calculated in X-RAY DOSES?

and shouldn't ALL APOLLO have been puking their rings up as soon as they were pulled out of their capsules in the ocean?

:)

What's that smell?

So if they went around the belts that means they had a longer distance to travel. Now we need to find out if the distance travelled equals the amount of fuel used. That means on their way back they would have to do the same thing.

Thanks for the McCanney link. Interesting listening.

It looks like NASA has no idea about X-rays in space (also UV radiation.)

I'm sure the Shills have all the figures you need!

Is there a special problem with "launching from Canaveral" that no one else knows about? Maybe you had better tell this guy,

[link to www.braeunig.us]

and help him correct his calculations. Don't tell me, you're another physics genius like IDW and have worked it all out yourself.

I was going to agree with you until you put naïve, just shows you to be two faced idiot

Not this fucking thread again....

Read this idiots:
[link to www.popsci.com]

The Van Hallen belts are flat.

Last Edited by Starknight on 03/15/2015 12:37 PM

Yes. This region of space. Which is deeper into the Belts than the CM ever got.


It suggests they have never send a manned vehicle through that part of space before.
That part being deeper into the Belts than the CM ever got.
Which we already knew.


The sensors are also inside.
They want to know how effective the shielding is.

If you had ever bothered to study this subject than you would have know that the Belts aren't static, they change all the time.
To get the data they want they need accurate readings outside and inside for comparison.




The Explorer 1's Geiger-counter was calibrated for low levels, it got saturated, showing that there was more radiation than expected. But not how much more.
Hence follow up missions.
There have been thousands of follow-ups.
Their results all agree with each other.

And not with you...


And your "evidence" that "they" had a "word" with him?
I mean other than the fact he said something you don't want to hear?




Why do you have to be such a moran?
It's embarrassing.




X-rays really weren't the issue.


You were expecting test pilots, some of them naval aviators, to get seasick?
Susceptibility to motion sickness is an instant disqualifier for anyone wanting to become an astronaut.




Forgot to wash your hands?




So?
Why don't you?

Yep..if anything, the engineer should have explained a bit more about the Apollo flights -- like how they improved safety or hardware sustainability or something...anything. But no, he clear as day said that humans cannot get through the VAB yet...wtf. How can NASA even get away with this and not have any well respected scientist or group of scientists say something. Anything!!

Too political. They like having jobs.