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Oh this just keeps getting worse! Pope Francis Says You’re NOT Christian if You Own a Gun!!!!

 
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He's right. No real Christian would own a gun. They really are hypocrites. Jesus was a pacifist. And so should his followers. Guns are idols to Americans. Most Americans worship the gun more than God.
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Jesus was a pacifist to fulfill prophecy from Isaiah and the fact he came to die and rise again
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Other than that, he is not a pacifist. Jesus Christ is God, he is the God of the Old Testament, the New Testament, and the God of Revelation.
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That story would be perfect had it not been that "Jesus" asked his "father" why he had forsaken him.

More of the same BS again and again, guns or no guns.
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He's right. No real Christian would own a gun. They really are hypocrites. Jesus was a pacifist. And so should his followers. Guns are idols to Americans. Most Americans worship the gun more than God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67072216


Jesus was a pacifist to fulfill prophecy from Isaiah and the fact he came to die and rise again.

Other than that, he is not a pacifist. Jesus Christ is God, he is the God of the Old Testament, the New Testament, and the God of Revelation.
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No, he was a pacifist to be free of sin. And once more, a stupid American guilty of not only gun idolatry but calling the son of God, God himself. Repent of your blasphemy. I won't be falling for your lies and false teachings.
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Re: Oh this just keeps getting worse! Pope Francis Says You’re NOT Christian if You Own a Gun!!!!
The world needs to be armed and taught to use guns and various weapons.

The more the evil corrupt demons in training at the top try to disarm, the more people need to be determined to NOT give them what they want, sense the trap, and buy even more and train even more people.

They must have quite a thing planned after they try to disarm, something that being armed could prevent.

Last Edited by Sungaze_At_Dawn on 06/23/2015 09:19 AM
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The powers that be who control the world want to be the only ones with guns, that is what this is all about. One world government.
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Re: Oh this just keeps getting worse! Pope Francis Says You’re NOT Christian if You Own a Gun!!!!
Holy Shit! I wonder how hard it is to leave the Catholic church?
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Easy, write the RCC church a letter and tell them you want your name taken out of their books.
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If you are talking about the bible, that's hilarious. It was never their book, if you can't tell by now..
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He's right. No real Christian would own a gun. They really are hypocrites. Jesus was a pacifist. And so should his followers. Guns are idols to Americans. Most Americans worship the gun more than God.
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Was he a pacifist when he ran the money changers from the temple? I think not.
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Americans loves their guns more than God. They worship the gun more than God. Truly shameful. That is why God is allowing Satan to tempt people to commit great evils with guns. That is their judgement.
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He's right. No real Christian would own a gun. They really are hypocrites. Jesus was a pacifist. And so should his followers. Guns are idols to Americans. Most Americans worship the gun more than God.
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Was he a pacifist when he ran the money changers from the temple? I think not.
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He committed no violence to anyone so yes he was. Fail.
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Good for him. Someone that has some courage.
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You shall not kill right? /thread
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No...The original in Greek is "Thou shell not murder"
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That's fine with me. I don't consider myself Christian anyway.
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Americans put more faith in their guns than in God. They are hypocrites.
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what the hell does the pope know about being a Christian?
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We'll just have to go back to swords, daggers, spears, stoning and slingshots if we want the get to heaven I suppose.

Seems it's not that we kill, but how we kill that makes us hypocrites.
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I wonder if the Pope and Fed chair Janet Yellin take part in the same secret orgies?
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The OP is an illiterate fag, "He also criticized those who invest in weapons industries (gun owners), saying “duplicity is the currency of today … they say one thing and do another." isn't present in the original source and he pulled the thread title out of his inbred ass.
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"Let's start by jumping right in and looking at a game. The game commonly referred to as The Prisoner's Dilemma is a classic example used to demonstrate game theory. It is usually explained through the use of this story, although the actual game called The Prisoner's Dilemma - often just called PD for short, is not limited to this situation. The underlying dynamics of it can be used to describe all sorts of phenomena.
The Story

Two men, Andy and Bob, were arrested after an armed robbery. The police had enough evidence to convict the two for the theft of the get-away car, but not enough to convict them for the actual armed robbery. However, if the police could get a confession from either of the two men they could conceivably convict them both for the armed robbery.

The police locked the two men in two separate rooms and gave them each the same offer:

If Andy confessed and Bob stayed silent, then Andy would go scot-free and Bob would be charged for the robbery and get 10 years in jail. Of course, this worked the other way around as well. If Bob confessed and Andy stayed silent, Andy would receive the 10 years.

If Andy confessed and Bob confessed as well, then they would both receive 7 years in jail.

If both Andy and Bob stayed silent, then they would both receive 2 years in prison for the get-away car robbery.

The two prisoners are left to make their decision without any way to contact each other. The question is: what did each person choose?
Solution

The solution that occurs every time this game is played (assuming each acts in his own best interests) is that both Andy and Bob will choose to confess, resulting in a sentence of 7 years each. This answer seems to be counter-intuitive, doesn't it? Why would both players choose to confess, an option that is clearly inferior to both of them staying silent and getting 2 years each? Not only this, but in terms of total years in prison, this is the worst possible outcome!
Explanation

The reason that both players choose to confess is easy to explain. Let's talk about Person A (and whatever holds for Andy, will hold for Bob as well because they are both in identical situations).

The following is the explanation assuming that Andy & Bob cannot communicate their choices to each other directly or indirectly.

Andy has the following Matrix:

If he confesses:

Minimum Jail Term: 0 Years (If Bob remains silent)
Maximum Jail Term: 7 Years (If Bob confesses)

If he remains silent:

Minimum Jail Term: 2 Years (If Bob remains silent)
Maximum Jail Term: 10 Years (If Bob confesses)


Table Format Bob remains silent Bob Confesses
Andy Confesses 0 7
Andy Remains Silent 2 10

The expected payoff for the game (the average amount of benefit that a strategy will provide) is better — in this case, 3.5 years expected jail time for confessing versus 6 years for silence — if Andy confesses. Therefore, from a rational perspective, Andy should choose to confess rather than remain silent.

Also, it doesn't matter what Bob does - Andy is always better off confessing. If Bob confesses, Andy can get either 7 years for confessing or 10 for silence, and if Bob is silent, Andy can get either 0 years for confessing or 2 for silence. Unfortunately for Person Andy, this also holds true for Person Bob - who is always better off confessing. This means that if both agents do what is in their best interests, they will be 7 years together in prison! This demonstrates that in many games the "best" solution - the one where the total utility of the outcome is highest - is not the one which will ultimately occur."
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Re: Oh this just keeps getting worse! Pope Francis Says You’re NOT Christian if You Own a Gun!!!!
He's right. No real Christian would own a gun. They really are hypocrites. Jesus was a pacifist. And so should his followers. Guns are idols to Americans. Most Americans worship the gun more than God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67072216


Jesus was a pacifist to fulfill prophecy from Isaiah and the fact he came to die and rise again.

Other than that, he is not a pacifist. Jesus Christ is God, he is the God of the Old Testament, the New Testament, and the God of Revelation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68863396


No, he was a pacifist to be free of sin.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67072216


Murder is sin, killing in defense isn't.

ISAIAH PROPHECY HE FULFILLED BY BEING A PACIFIST

ISIAH 54
He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.
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The powers that be who control the world want to be the only ones with guns, that is what this is all about. One world government.
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^^^This. They want you all to be defenseless little sheep as they round you up.
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Americans put more faith in their guns than in God. They are hypocrites.
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You hate Americans, everyone heard that. Shut up already - please. God Bless.
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We'll just have to go back to swords, daggers, spears, stoning and slingshots if we want the get to heaven I suppose.

Seems it's not that we kill, but how we kill that makes us hypocrites.
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There is zero justification for self-defense in the bible. DO NOT MURDER.
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Americans put more faith in their guns than in God. They are hypocrites.
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You hate Americans, everyone heard that. Shut up already - please. God Bless.
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I don't hate Americans. I just hate their hypocrisy.
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Even back in Jesus' day people had weapons to defend themselves from attackers.

Is the Pope getting rid of his bodyguards? Because anyone who is armed on his behalf is doing so for HIM.
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Word.
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Whatever feels good to your soul, do that.
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Haha...

A communist who wants your guns...
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He's right. No real Christian would own a gun. They really are hypocrites. Jesus was a pacifist. And so should his followers. Guns are idols to Americans. Most Americans worship the gun more than God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67072216


Jesus was a pacifist to fulfill prophecy from Isaiah and the fact he came to die and rise again.

Other than that, he is not a pacifist. Jesus Christ is God, he is the God of the Old Testament, the New Testament, and the God of Revelation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68863396


No, he was a pacifist to be free of sin.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67072216


Murder is sin, killing in defense isn't.

ISAIAH PROPHECY HE FULFILLED BY BEING A PACIFIST

ISIAH 54
He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.
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You are wrong. Please tell us where in the bible there is justification for self-defense killing. There is not. All there is, DO NOT MURDER. Unlawful killing.
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He's right. No real Christian would own a gun. They really are hypocrites. Jesus was a pacifist. And so should his followers. Guns are idols to Americans. Most Americans worship the gun more than God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67072216


I'm just trying to figure out what planet you people come from. You quite obviously aren't playing in the same ballpark
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From the church that sweeps child molesting under the rug until there is too much public outcry. They wonder why they get called hypocrites.
When did common sense become so uncommon?
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Re: Oh this just keeps getting worse! Pope Francis Says You’re NOT Christian if You Own a Gun!!!!
He's right. No real Christian would own a gun. They really are hypocrites. Jesus was a pacifist. And so should his followers. Guns are idols to Americans. Most Americans worship the gun more than God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67072216


I'm just trying to figure out what planet you people come from. You quite obviously aren't playing in the same ballpark
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Please elaborate or are you just talking crap?
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Re: Oh this just keeps getting worse! Pope Francis Says You’re NOT Christian if You Own a Gun!!!!
The OP is an illiterate fag, "He also criticized those who invest in weapons industries (gun owners), saying “duplicity is the currency of today … they say one thing and do another." isn't present in the original source and he pulled the thread title out of his inbred ass.
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"Let's start by jumping right in and looking at a game. The game commonly referred to as The Prisoner's Dilemma is a classic example used to demonstrate game theory.
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Are Canadians now the voice of the Pope? When did this happen and when did we start using Game Theory?

Go push your buttons more. I love watching you try to push points. It entertains me and others.
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We'll just have to go back to swords, daggers, spears, stoning and slingshots if we want the get to heaven I suppose.

Seems it's not that we kill, but how we kill that makes us hypocrites.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67252060


There is zero justification for self-defense in the bible. DO NOT MURDER.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67072216


The whole bible or the new testament?

They were a pretty murderous bunch--following orders of course.
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We'll just have to go back to swords, daggers, spears, stoning and slingshots if we want the get to heaven I suppose.

Seems it's not that we kill, but how we kill that makes us hypocrites.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67252060


There is zero justification for self-defense in the bible. DO NOT MURDER.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67072216


The whole bible or the new testament?

They were a pretty murderous bunch--following orders of course.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67252060


The whole bible. Please show us even once where God says it ok to kill somebody else in self-defense.





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