Meet the Demiurge

Hi, everyone. I'm the interviewer of the NDER who met the Demiurge in OP's post -- Wayne Bush. I just now discovered this thread.

First off, I'd like to apologize for the technical difficulties of my mic (which I bought 30 minutes before scheduled interview when I found out my guest's mic wasn't going to work with my setup).

Secondly, I know I'm a horrible interviewer -- it's the first one I've ever tried and the story was a little difficult to follow as far as trying to discern if the light was the demiurge, etc so I was trying to get as much info out of him as possible and to clarify.

Yeah, I suck as an interviewer so I'm sorry about that. I'm a computer programmer not a seasoned or polished speaker obviously. But no one else cared about my guest's story so I decided to open myself up to ridicule in order to get the story out.

As far as the light being a trick (I believe there is a pure light and a false counterfeit, impure light), perhaps it's best to copy and paste a reply I just gave to someone asking me about how we got in this mess and what happens if we don't go to the light.

Great questions and really the most important and hardest ones to know the answers to. My answers are just speculation and my opinion, of course..
"how was this allowed?"
Could be several different possibilities. If this is a virtual reality or simulation (or maybe even a dream) and all these concepts exist here so they probably are rooted in some truth then we could just be renting a video game called "Life on Earth" from the cosmic Blockbusters store and we are the stars or co-stars who need to solve the who-done-it mystery of the universe and then save the day and the other souls trapped here. It's a drama or play that we have chosen to experience because we are bored with the real reality, This answer is based on my own reasoning or common sense and maybe even intuition, By the way there are at least a dozen or more near death experience accounts I have read which say this is a hologram and also a game.

Another possibility is the account from the Gnostic texts which were banned as heretical by the orthodox christian church. They are the books that weren't included in the Bible. The most important one IMO is the Pistis Sophia which states that Aeons emanated from God. The lowest Aeon, Sophia, attempted to creation without consultation and this resulted in an error. So this universe and the light is an impure counterfeit copy of the real universe and Light. The Demiurge (God-Devil), the creator of this world, was alone and thought himself to be God. When humans were created a spark from the Divine Light was needed to be breathed into us in order for us to be able to stand. When told the truth the Demiurge's jealousy or envy resulted in the creation of shadow beings called archons (greek word for rulers). These parasites invade the minds of humans and aliens such as the greys and reptilians (if you believe in them) and cause hallucinations and errors in logic and they feed off of our emotions. They are basically viruses in the computer code, if you will. A counterfeit spirit (Spirit Guide/Guardian Angel/Jinn/archon/demon) is assigned to us at birth and is bonded to us (according to Sumerian texts) and tells us negative things like we're stupid, etc and when we die they basically become our prosecutor before the Light and uses guilt and shaming tactics to try and convince us that we need to come back to Earth to perfect ourselves when in reality our body design is flawed to begin with. We do have access to the higher Light power (also called the Holy Spirit) which I think is inside of us. It seems that a correction is being made and Jesus may have come here to show us how to escape the matrix, but the Demiurge terminated him.
what happens once escaping the matrix tunnel of light tricks, and who do I punch first on the other side of this game for allowing such madness to continue for so long?
To be completely honest, I am not exactly sure what happens if we successfully avoid the tunnel... perhaps we are free to go where we want. The Tibetan Book of the Dead I think says to go to the clear light, FWIW. Anyway, if we do end up in the Light we should refuse to reincarnate again and claim our Sovereignty as Divine sparks from the original realm of Light. My plan is once I have died and my soul has left my body to do my best to focus my intention on going to the True "pure realm of pre-existent Light". It is possible that we can't avoid the Light and it would be prudent to practice a sort of spiritual alchemy on our souls while here and turn them from heavy metal into a pure Light being (lead into gold) by doing good works and practicing Love and forgiving others and forgetting wrongs and not holding any grudges or having any regrets or remorse so that our subconscious minds don't condemn ourselves to wanting to come back. I know you were sorta of joking with the who do I punch comment but really anger and resentment might hold us back. In order to remain in the higher realms of Light we need to be able to play well with others and avoid negative thoughts.

I had a guy from France write me and told me when he was 12 he contemplated continuously on the meaning of life and he spontaneously went to the Light which was positive. Then he wondered what the opposite was and he found himself in a hell where entities were chained to a cone and demon like entities were chasing him telling him they were going to destroy his soul etc... after he got back to his body he was frightened to leave his body again and had to have some kind of spirit extraction done.

My NDE interviewee who met the Demiurge when in front of the Light was asked what he thought of his life (he was grateful for good things) and if he had learned enough about love. He replied that he had never been married and hadn't had any children -- he immediately got "kicked out of heaven" and found himself in line to go back to Earth.. I think his own regret sent himself back. It's important to train our minds so that we basically would say telepathically and believe "Yes, I learned everything."

In the first scenario (life as virtual reality game) then we would only really have ourselves to blame for not waking up and solving the game quicker. :)

I realize these answers are a bit speculative and I hope they aren't too far out for you. But that is my exit strategy or escape plan as of right now and my current belief which is subject to change, of course.

Hope this helps! I'd be interested in knowing what you think. Feel free to ask follow up questions.

Wayne

: The presence of the Master, of course, is of great help in that. Solitude also goes to help - any atmosphere which is not poisoned by the thoughts of worldly people. Even Christ used to run away to the mountains, to the wilderness.

[Q]: Let's see. When Christ was driven to the wilderness He was taken up on the mountain and told, "You can have all of this if You'll just bow down." He said, "Get thee behind me."

[M]: Yes, it also happened to Guru Nanak. It happened with others, too.

[Q]: This temptation then actually occurs at a certain place on the inner planes?

[M]: Yes, in meditation. I need not mention by the way, the Negative Power tells me all that is going on in the world; everywhere you see trouble nowadays. Why are there troubles? He says, "I am bound to do it. After all, this work has been given to me. Those who are not good, they must have punishment. So You remove (souls) from this place, but this I won't quit. My work has been allotted to me to carry on."

[Q]: Is the Negative Power an actual person?

[M]: No. That very Power is no personality question. Just the power that is going out is called Negative Power. What is going in, That is called the Christ Power, God Power, Master Power going into expression.

[Q]: But does the Negative Power on the inner planes ever take the form of something that might took like a person to us?

[M]: Yes, it materializes but it has no special form. There is no special form, of course. But he is a very honest judge, very honest judge. One thing, he won't let anybody go out of his control, out of his pale. He'll give everything to you, but not let you go out of his control.

[Q]: How much will he fight to keep that from happening?

[M]: He'll fight up to the third plane. Beyond that he'll cry, "Oh, my man is gone."

[Q]: He does not lose very many, does he?

[M]: Yes, of course, there are many, not innumerable, but many, you can say.

[Q]: Hopefully he'll lose us?

[M]: Yes, he'll cry. Not will cry, but he cried because of those who got out of his power.

[Q]: Was that story that's told about Kal a true one, that he told Sat Purush ( the highest Region) that he couldn't be happy up there and wanted his own realm?

[M]: That is a way of expression. After all, this power has been given by Whom? Suppose I give you now one example. There is a king. He appoints a commander-in-chief. He's the appointing authority. And he's also the appointing authority of a viceroy. But their functions are different. The commander-in-chief never says, "I convey to you the orders of the King." He says, "I order you." Because he fully knows that power has been given to him from the higher power. He has so many colonels and majors. They get a very handsome salary and many concessions but he won't let those go out of his control. He'll haul them up, court martial them. When the city is in trouble it is handed over to the military. It punishes some men and others are set to put the condition of the town in order. But the viceroy never says, "I say;" he says, "I convey to you the orders of the King." All these avatars: Lord Krishna, Rama, and others, their duty is a different one. They come to punish the wicked, help those who are righteous and set the world in order. Saints' ways are different. They don't punish anyone; They seek to bring them around, you see. Their work is just to give them contact with God and let them go back to the Father's Home, not to come back as a prisoner. They might come back as a teacher. That's the difference. They depopulate the world. The avatar, you see, keeps the world in order, does not let the population grow less.

[link to www.ruhanisatsangusa.org]

And, then as if it couldn't be any more complicated, it looks like the Indians break things/deities/powers down even more:

When the Absolute Power came into being and became God-in-expression, there was vibration, which gave rise to Light and Sound principles, called by all saints as Light and Udgit. God Absolute cannot be seen or heard, for nobody so far has seen God. God-in-expression, by way of Light and Sound Principles can, however, be seen and heard. This can only be experienced by the spirit, through inner vision and inner audition, which function when you rise above the body consciousness. The saints also call the Absolute and the God-in-expression by the name of Mahadayal and Dayal respectively. This Sound-current is responsible for the various creations, the spiritual planes and all the realms in varying degrees and orders. This Sound-current descends, making pure spiritual, spirituo-material, materio-spiritual and material planes, the last three of which dissolve in the dissolution and Grand Dissolution. Each of these planes has its individual presiding deities: Jot Niranjan, for example, is the Lord of And, the subtle or mental plane, and is the creator of the material and physical universe, which is next below in the hierarchy. Onkar is the Lord of the Causal or Seed region and the creator of the lower region of And, or subtle universe. Other deities preside over other planes, in the ascending order of the system of creation. All of them, of course, derive their authority from Sat-purush or Sat Naam, or Dayal or Ekankar, the highest Region.

[link to www.ruhanisatsangusa.org]

I'm tired of this argument is the stupidest thing y'all could come up with the idea that who the real good Wood and desire worshiper a relationship with humans or anything blah blah blah who are you to say what God would or wouldn't want and who are you to say how he would interact with us question

The God of the Bible is a real-time relational God who created us as a family and he loves the fellowship with us he is my God I have a close relationship wouldn't you want something like that for yourself?

I see why you fell away is a common reason people fall away old Serpent tricked you

You look at the world as it is and you wonder why God allows it to happen right?

But I ask you did God not make everything good in the beginning ? it was Satan and Adam who wrecked the world and caused pain death and suffering.

Well someone's going to die I guess it'll be you if you wont except Christ sacrifice

Can I pray for you?

Hi, everyone. I'm the interviewer of the NDER who met the Demiurge in OP's post -- Wayne Bush. I just now discovered this thread.

First off, I'd like to apologize for the technical difficulties of my mic (which I bought 30 minutes before scheduled interview when I found out my guest's mic wasn't going to work with my setup).

Secondly, I know I'm a horrible interviewer -- it's the first one I've ever tried and the story was a little difficult to follow as far as trying to discern if the light was the demiurge, etc so I was trying to get as much info out of him as possible and to clarify.

Yeah, I suck as an interviewer so I'm sorry about that. I'm a computer programmer not a seasoned or polished speaker obviously. But no one else cared about my guest's story so I decided to open myself up to ridicule in order to get the story out.

As far as the light being a trick (I believe there is a pure light and a false counterfeit, impure light), perhaps it's best to copy and paste a reply I just gave to someone asking me about how we got in this mess and what happens if we don't go to the light.

Great questions and really the most important and hardest ones to know the answers to. My answers are just speculation and my opinion, of course..
"how was this allowed?"
Could be several different possibilities. If this is a virtual reality or simulation (or maybe even a dream) and all these concepts exist here so they probably are rooted in some truth then we could just be renting a video game called "Life on Earth" from the cosmic Blockbusters store and we are the stars or co-stars who need to solve the who-done-it mystery of the universe and then save the day and the other souls trapped here. It's a drama or play that we have chosen to experience because we are bored with the real reality, This answer is based on my own reasoning or common sense and maybe even intuition, By the way there are at least a dozen or more near death experience accounts I have read which say this is a hologram and also a game.

Another possibility is the account from the Gnostic texts which were banned as heretical by the orthodox christian church. They are the books that weren't included in the Bible. The most important one IMO is the Pistis Sophia which states that Aeons emanated from God. The lowest Aeon, Sophia, attempted to creation without consultation and this resulted in an error. So this universe and the light is an impure counterfeit copy of the real universe and Light. The Demiurge (God-Devil), the creator of this world, was alone and thought himself to be God. When humans were created a spark from the Divine Light was needed to be breathed into us in order for us to be able to stand. When told the truth the Demiurge's jealousy or envy resulted in the creation of shadow beings called archons (greek word for rulers). These parasites invade the minds of humans and aliens such as the greys and reptilians (if you believe in them) and cause hallucinations and errors in logic and they feed off of our emotions. They are basically viruses in the computer code, if you will. A counterfeit spirit (Spirit Guide/Guardian Angel/Jinn/archon/demon) is assigned to us at birth and is bonded to us (according to Sumerian texts) and tells us negative things like we're stupid, etc and when we die they basically become our prosecutor before the Light and uses guilt and shaming tactics to try and convince us that we need to come back to Earth to perfect ourselves when in reality our body design is flawed to begin with. We do have access to the higher Light power (also called the Holy Spirit) which I think is inside of us. It seems that a correction is being made and Jesus may have come here to show us how to escape the matrix, but the Demiurge terminated him.
what happens once escaping the matrix tunnel of light tricks, and who do I punch first on the other side of this game for allowing such madness to continue for so long?
To be completely honest, I am not exactly sure what happens if we successfully avoid the tunnel... perhaps we are free to go where we want. The Tibetan Book of the Dead I think says to go to the clear light, FWIW. Anyway, if we do end up in the Light we should refuse to reincarnate again and claim our Sovereignty as Divine sparks from the original realm of Light. My plan is once I have died and my soul has left my body to do my best to focus my intention on going to the True "pure realm of pre-existent Light". It is possible that we can't avoid the Light and it would be prudent to practice a sort of spiritual alchemy on our souls while here and turn them from heavy metal into a pure Light being (lead into gold) by doing good works and practicing Love and forgiving others and forgetting wrongs and not holding any grudges or having any regrets or remorse so that our subconscious minds don't condemn ourselves to wanting to come back. I know you were sorta of joking with the who do I punch comment but really anger and resentment might hold us back. In order to remain in the higher realms of Light we need to be able to play well with others and avoid negative thoughts.

I had a guy from France write me and told me when he was 12 he contemplated continuously on the meaning of life and he spontaneously went to the Light which was positive. Then he wondered what the opposite was and he found himself in a hell where entities were chained to a cone and demon like entities were chasing him telling him they were going to destroy his soul etc... after he got back to his body he was frightened to leave his body again and had to have some kind of spirit extraction done.

My NDE interviewee who met the Demiurge when in front of the Light was asked what he thought of his life (he was grateful for good things) and if he had learned enough about love. He replied that he had never been married and hadn't had any children -- he immediately got "kicked out of heaven" and found himself in line to go back to Earth.. I think his own regret sent himself back. It's important to train our minds so that we basically would say telepathically and believe "Yes, I learned everything."

In the first scenario (life as virtual reality game) then we would only really have ourselves to blame for not waking up and solving the game quicker. :)

I realize these answers are a bit speculative and I hope they aren't too far out for you. But that is my exit strategy or escape plan as of right now and my current belief which is subject to change, of course.

Hope this helps! I'd be interested in knowing what you think. Feel free to ask follow up questions.

Wayne

Do you recall which video that was, and do you have a link to it?

Hi, everyone. I'm the interviewer of the NDER who met the Demiurge in OP's post -- Wayne Bush. I just now discovered this thread.

The lowest A counterfeit spirit (Spirit Guide/Guardian Angel/Jinn/archon/demon) is assigned to us at birth and is bonded to us (according to Sumerian texts) and tells us negative things like we're stupid, etc and when we die they basically become our prosecutor before the Light and uses guilt and shaming tactics to try and convince us that we need to come back to Earth to perfect ourselves when in reality our body design is flawed to begin with. We do have access to the higher Light power (also called the Holy Spirit) which I think is inside of us. It seems that a correction is being made and Jesus may have come here to show us how to escape the matrix, but the Demiurge terminated him.

Wayne

Hi, everyone. I'm the interviewer of the NDER who met the Demiurge in OP's post -- Wayne Bush. I just now discovered this thread.

My plan is once I have died and my soul has left my body to do my best to focus my intention on going to the True "pure realm of pre-existent Light".

Wayne

Beebee, it's probably those pesky archons, ha. You can always try to email me through my web site if you can't get a message through here.

Btw, thanks for starting this thread and linking the interview :)

Wayne

I'm going to try something. In my initial response I covered 2 subjects. I'll do one at a time. That way I'll know which one is triggering the deletion.

Sumerian Tablets: Just recently I read the book entitled "The Forbidden Religion" in which the author says that Sitchin did translate them correctly. The problem is though, the tablets themselves are in error. I suspected this for quite a while already. The Anunnaki admit they created us (or genetically altered the being that was already here) to be their slaves. I do not believe for a second that a slave master would tell the truth and nothing but the truth to his slave.

"I shall establish a savage. Man will be his name. Verily, savage-man I shall create. He will be charged with the service of the Gods, that they might be at ease." Sumerian Creation Epic

Even the bible hints that we were created to be slaves when it says: "... and there was not a man to till the soil." Who needed the soil tilled? The plants? No. The animals? No. Then who/what? The gods did - to mine the gold.

There are other sources that confirm this. Here's one:

“Let us make him who shall nourish and sustain us. What shall we do to be invoked, to be remembered in earth? We have tried with our first creatures, but we could not make them venerate us. So then, let us try to make obedient, respectful beings, who shall nourish and sustain us.” (The Maya Popul Vuh)

I often wonder if this was the demise of Neanderthal. Was he destroyed because he would not 'venerate' the gods?

I love that we are getting into the Sunerian texts as I feel those in conjunction with the Gnostic texts reveal a lot about mankind's slavery on this prison planet.

Sitchin has given us some amazing translations, but I'm not sure how much of his story I trust as I have seen a documentary with pictures of him in Masonic garb. Now unless that was Photoshopped it at least calls into question his motives.

Here is a great excerpt from the Sumerian tablets:

BABYLONIAN CREATION MYTH, THE ENUMA ELISH

May he shepherd the black-headed ones, his creatures.
To the end of days, without forgetting, let them acclaim his ways.
May he establish for his fathers the great food-offerings; (110)

Their support they shall furnish, shall tend their sanctuaries.
May he cause incense to be smelled, . . . their spells,
Make a likeness on earth of what he has wrought in heaven.
May he order the black-headed to revere him,
May the subjects ever bear in mind to speak of their god,
And may they at his word pay heed to the goddess.
May food-offerings be borne for their gods and goddesses.
Without fail let them support their gods!
Their lands let them improve, build their shrines,
Let the black-headed wait on their gods.

The service of the gods he imposed that these may have ease.
Creation, destruction, deliverance, grace--Shall be by his command.

By the way, I've invited a great researcher named Chris to join the discussion as he is very well-versed in both Gnostic and Sumerian texts and most of that material on my site is a direct result of his input.

-- Wayne

So far so good. Monroe writes that we cannot escape the demiurge's domain (not his exact words) just yet, because of the 3 bands of negative energy that surrounds Mother Earth. Focus/Level 27 is where we can enjoy the most freedom until such time as this game is over. A description of the various Focus/Levels is available here:

[link to monroeinstituteuk.org (secure)]

and here:

[link to www.afterlife-knowledge.com]

I thought Sitchin was shown to be a fraud? His interpretations were incorrect.

I have all Monroe's books... been a long time since I have read them. I do mention him on my site and his Loosh theory. I think I even had some Hemi-Sync tapes back in the day. His were the first books I read on OBEs and I consider them to be classic and the fact that he has mapped out a lot of the astral planes is intriguing though I can't easily verify for myself.

I really want to delve much deeper into his findings.
I'll have to see if I have that audio that you mentioned stored somewhere on one of my external hard drives.
Are the bands surrounding Earth the Van Allen Belt?

How reliable do you find him to be? Has anyone else duplicated his experiments and verified them to be true?

I wasn't quoting Sitchin. I use sites like this: [link to etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk]

I agree, like I said, I don't really completely trust all of Sitchins trsnslations or conclusions.

AC 5817, please go into detail about "initiation from a saint" What exactly is that and what happens after you receive it? You obviously have had it. What happened to you? I think I know, but I want your take on it. I have had some things happen to me that I am very confused about and need to hear more of what you have to say.

And beebee, I hope you don't consider this hijacking your thread. That is not my intent.

Wayne! Hi :) So cool you showed up.

You didn't do a bad job. I'm the one who brought up that it was you focused on the Demiurge. You were just inputting a concept familiar to you and I think it was right. Maybe you were more fixated on "Heaven" than he was, too, but no biggie. It was a great exchange and you're a much better interviewer than George Noory!

When you mention a computer simulation, which I've heard before, I'm inclined to think humans seek to frame what may be a holographic universe, of divine (Demiurge) making, in human terms (lifeless computer program, AI, etc). I don't think that's true. It is we who imitate the authentic. Computers and AI imitate the human brain, for instance, and are poor substitutes. More so, man will never be able to create consciousness. He can only imitate. And, yeah, I understand that the Demiurge or Negative Power tried to imitate the Absolute but the Creation, full of illusion as it is, has consciousness, from the macro to the micro, and that consciousness comes from the Absolute. Simulations don't have that.

Your plan to avoid coming back is admirable but it won't work. Karma/action-reaction is the LAW of the space-time realm and that means we keep on the wheel of life and death. Only an Adept Master can get you off that wheel. If you want out then get initiation from a Saint. Just ask for it. I can even give you a link if you want it. It's simple, it's free and it doesn't hurt.

Would you consider contacting your NDE guy and seeing if he would talk to Clyde Lewis? I was thinking it would be cool if he got on there because Clyde has su8ch a big audience. Dunno if you ever listen to his show but he's an awesome person and I know he'd really like this.

Thank you so much for interviewing this guy. As a result, this incredible thread came about! I don't know how beebee (the OP) found you but I'm glad she (?) did :)

Hi, Zip. Yes, I was initiated. Here's the scoop:

Contrary to certain conventional (western) religious beliefs, beings like Jesus Christ are here on the earth all the time. They're called Saints, Gurus, Masters, etc. Like with Jesus, the contention (throughout many ancient scriptures) is that they are self realized, fully conscious beings who, while having escaped this matrix, freely choose to return, as God (the Absolute one, not the Demiurge)in the flesh, to lead the seekers of truth out of here. They offer initiation where you are given what are called "five charged words" that you repeat (mentally) as a mantra while in meditation on the inner light. The words are the names of the deities who hold sway over realms we could not pass by ourselves, but by knowing those names and with the help of the (inner manifestation of) the guru, you can pass through and on to higher, non physical realms. That's part one of initiation. In the next part you are introduced to the inner "sound current". You just sit and listen, in meditation, and you get sound in your right ear. Both the light and sound are what's called "God into expression". The Source is manifest as inner light and sound and when you focus on them they pull you up and out of the body where you begin your journey, through practice, of return to the Source. The Guru, also like Jesus, takes on your past karma (in the Jesus story, "sin") that keeps you trapped on the wheel of reincarnation. Jesus said, "The only way to the Father is by me". Mainstream religious Christians think that means if they believe in Jesus they get to the Father or Source. The actual meaning is the only way is with the initiation from the Living Master. IOW, Jesus rescued his own initiates, not everyone else and not believers who exist today. He was a Guru. Masters/Gurus/Saints come and go and when you want initiation you need it from a Living Master. When you get initiation you WILL be given inner experience. What it's like depends on your own karma. After that, it's up to you to nurture it and grow what's been given by regular mediation and ethical living. It's really simple and doesn't require anything else. Doesn't mean it's easy, though ;-)

Hi, Zip. Yes, I was initiated. Here's the scoop:

Contrary to certain conventional (western) religious beliefs, beings like Jesus Christ are here on the earth all the time. They're called Saints, Gurus, Masters, etc. Like with Jesus, the contention (throughout many ancient scriptures) is that they are self realized, fully conscious beings who, while having escaped this matrix, freely choose to return, as God (the Absolute one, not the Demiurge)in the flesh, to lead the seekers of truth out of here. They offer initiation where you are given what are called "five charged words" that you repeat (mentally) as a mantra while in meditation on the inner light. The words are the names of the deities who hold sway over realms we could not pass by ourselves, but by knowing those names and with the help of the (inner manifestation of) the guru, you can pass through and on to higher, non physical realms. That's part one of initiation. In the next part you are introduced to the inner "sound current". You just sit and listen, in meditation, and you get sound in your right ear. Both the light and sound are what's called "God into expression". The Source is manifest as inner light and sound and when you focus on them they pull you up and out of the body where you begin your journey, through practice, of return to the Source. The Guru, also like Jesus, takes on your past karma (in the Jesus story, "sin") that keeps you trapped on the wheel of reincarnation. Jesus said, "The only way to the Father is by me". Mainstream religious Christians think that means if they believe in Jesus they get to the Father or Source. The actual meaning is the only way is with the initiation from the Living Master. IOW, Jesus rescued his own initiates, not everyone else and not believers who exist today. He was a Guru. Masters/Gurus/Saints come and go and when you want initiation you need it from a Living Master. When you get initiation you WILL be given inner experience. What it's like depends on your own karma. After that, it's up to you to nurture it and grow what's been given by regular mediation and ethical living. It's really simple and doesn't require anything else. Doesn't mean it's easy, though ;-)