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Anonymous Coward User ID: 65762669 United States 12/17/2015 09:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Seek (the truth) and ye shall find. The evidence of its forgery is available to all. READ IT!! Quoting: beebee [link to www.nexusmagazine.com (secure)] |
beebee (OP) User ID: 58842935 Canada 12/17/2015 09:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | excerpt: Ancient records reveal the true nature of the presbyters, and the low regard in which they were held has been subtly suppressed by modern Church historians. In reality, they were: "...the most rustic fellows, teaching strange paradoxes. They openly declared that none but the ignorant was fit to hear their discourses ... they never appeared in the circles of the wiser and better sort, but always took care to intrude themselves among the ignorant and uncultured, rambling around to play tricks at fairs and markets ... they lard their lean books with the fat of old fables ... and still the less do they understand ... and they write nonsense on vellum ... and still be doing, never done." (Contra Celsum ["Against Celsus"], Origen of Alexandria, beebee |
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beebee (OP) User ID: 58842935 Canada 12/17/2015 09:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Excerpt: The smooth generalisation, which so many historians are content to repeat, that Constantine "embraced the Christian religion" and subsequently granted "official toleration", is "contrary to historical fact" and should be erased from our literature forever (C a t h o l i c E n c y c l o p e d i a , Pecci ed., vol. iii, p. 299, passim). Simply put, there was no Christian religion at Constantine's time, and the Church acknowledges that the tale of his "conversion" and "baptism" are "entirely legendary"(Catholic Encyclopedia, Farley ed.,vol. xiv, pp. 370-1) Last Edited by beebee on 12/17/2015 09:32 PM beebee |
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beebee (OP) User ID: 58842935 Canada 12/17/2015 10:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Guess how many scrolls the presbyters and their subordinates brought to Nicaea on the orders of Constantine? Council of Nicaea entry - Their writings totaled "in all, two thousand two hundred and thirty-one scrolls and legendary tales of gods and saviours, together with a record of the doctrines orated by them" And who were these "gods and saviors?" By this time, a huge assortment of "wild texts" circulated amongst presbyters and they supported a great variety of Eastern and Western gods and goddesses: Jove, Jupiter, Salenus, Baal, Thor, Gade, Apollo, Juno, Aries, Taurus, Minerva, Rhets, Mithra, Theo, Fragapatti, Atys, Durga, Indra, Neptune, Vulcan, Kriste, Agni, Croesus, Pelides, Huit, Hermes, Thulis, Thammus, Eguptus, Iao, Aph, Saturn, Gitchens, Minos, Maximo, Hecla and Phernes. Yep, the bible is definitely the "word of god" beebee |
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beebee (OP) User ID: 58842935 Canada 12/17/2015 10:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Constantine's intention at Nicaea was to create an entirely new god for his empire who would unite all religious factions under one deity. Presbyters were asked to debate and decide who their new god would be. Delegates argued among themselves, expressing personal motives for inclusion of particular writings that promoted the finer traits of their own special deity. Throughout the meeting, howling factions were immersed in heated debates, and the names of 53 gods were tabled for discussion. "As yet, no God had been selected by the council, and so they balloted in order to determine that matter... For one year and five months the balloting lasted..."[/b] "Word of God?" Nah, I don't think so!! Last Edited by beebee on 12/17/2015 10:38 PM beebee |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 69542421 United States 12/17/2015 10:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Excerpt: Quoting: beebee The smooth generalisation, which so many historians are content to repeat, that Constantine "embraced the Christian religion" and subsequently granted "official toleration", is "contrary to historical fact" and should be erased from our literature forever (C a t h o l i c E n c y c l o p e d i a , Pecci ed., vol. iii, p. 299, passim). Simply put, there was no Christian religion at Constantine's time, and the Church acknowledges that the tale of his "conversion" and "baptism" are "entirely legendary"(Catholic Encyclopedia, Farley ed.,vol. xiv, pp. 370-1) Did you check the validity of these quotes? Do it here [link to archive.org (secure)] You may get a surprise. |
beebee (OP) User ID: 58842935 Canada 12/17/2015 10:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Very interesting how the name Jesus Christ was determined. Constantine returned to the gathering to discover that the presbyters had not agreed on a new deity but had balloted down to a shortlist of five prospects: Caesar, Krishna, Mithra, Horus and Zeus. Constantine was the ruling spirit at Nicaea and he ultimately decided upon a new god for them. To involve British factions, he ruled that the name of the great Druid god, Hesus, be joined with the Eastern Saviour-god, Krishna (Krishna is Sanskrit for Christ), and thus Hesus Krishna would be the official name of the new Roman god. A vote was taken and it was with a majority show of hands (161 votes to 157) that both divinities became one God. Following longstanding heathen custom, Constantine used the official gathering and the Roman apotheosis decree to legally deify two deities as one, and did so by democratic consent. A new god was proclaimed and "officially" ratified by Constantine.That purely political act of deification effectively and legally placed Hesus and Krishna among the Roman gods as one individual composite. That abstraction lent Earthly existence to amalgamated doctrines for the Empire's new religion; and because there was no letter "J" in alphabets until around the ninth century, the name subsequently evolved into "Jesus Christ". So there you have it. That's how you "create" a new god!! beebee |
beebee (OP) User ID: 58842935 Canada 12/17/2015 10:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Excerpt: Quoting: beebee The smooth generalisation, which so many historians are content to repeat, that Constantine "embraced the Christian religion" and subsequently granted "official toleration", is "contrary to historical fact" and should be erased from our literature forever (C a t h o l i c E n c y c l o p e d i a , Pecci ed., vol. iii, p. 299, passim). Simply put, there was no Christian religion at Constantine's time, and the Church acknowledges that the tale of his "conversion" and "baptism" are "entirely legendary"(Catholic Encyclopedia, Farley ed.,vol. xiv, pp. 370-1) Did you check the validity of these quotes? Do it here [link to archive.org (secure)] You may get a surprise. Are you daring to question the Catholic Encyclopedia? beebee |
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beebee (OP) User ID: 58842935 Canada 12/17/2015 10:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Guess how many scrolls the presbyters and their subordinates brought to Nicaea on the orders of Constantine? Quoting: beebee Council of Nicaea entry - Their writings totaled "in all, two thousand two hundred and thirty-one scrolls and legendary tales of gods and saviours, together with a record of the doctrines orated by them" So, what happened to these scrolls? Take a wild guess!! He then ordered earlier presbyterial manuscripts and the records of the council "burnt" and declared that "any man found concealing writings should be stricken off from his shoulders" (beheaded) (ibid.). As the record shows, presbyterial writings previous to the Council of Nicaea no longer exist, except for some fragments that have survived. beebee |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70054157 United States 12/17/2015 10:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I read it. There's a lot of citations here... A lot of them from other books of almost equal antiquity to the gospels. What gives these citations any credibility? As far as the espistles being biased to their writers... What kind of idiot logic was this? Every writing is biased to its author. This would be you know, kinda obvious since a lot of the new testament were letters he wrote to churches in surrounding countries by Paul about his own personal accounts and suggestions to them. This article spins some things and ommits others completely (such as the earliest known piece of the gospels being written in "miniscule" which was not used in anywhere near 400AD). Even the citations offer little evidence other than what some other person from antiquity claimed.From an academic standpoint this article is total crap. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 4473716 New Zealand 12/17/2015 10:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Constantine's intention at Nicaea was to create an entirely new god for his empire who would unite all religious Quoting: beebee factions under one deity. Presbyters were asked to debate and decide who their new god would be. Delegates argued among themselves, expressing personal motives for inclusion of particular writings that promoted the finer traits of their own special deity. Throughout the meeting, howling factions were immersed in heated debates, and the names of 53 gods were tabled for discussion. "As yet, no God had been selected by the council, and so they balloted in order to determine that matter... For one year and five months the balloting lasted..."[/b] "Word of God?" Nah, I don't think so!! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 69542421 United States 12/17/2015 11:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Excerpt: Quoting: beebee The smooth generalisation, which so many historians are content to repeat, that Constantine "embraced the Christian religion" and subsequently granted "official toleration", is "contrary to historical fact" and should be erased from our literature forever (C a t h o l i c E n c y c l o p e d i a , Pecci ed., vol. iii, p. 299, passim). Simply put, there was no Christian religion at Constantine's time, and the Church acknowledges that the tale of his "conversion" and "baptism" are "entirely legendary"(Catholic Encyclopedia, Farley ed.,vol. xiv, pp. 370-1) Did you check the validity of these quotes? Do it here [link to archive.org (secure)] You may get a surprise. Are you daring to question the Catholic Encyclopedia? Did you actually look at the Catholic Encyclopaedia, 1914 (Farley) Edition and verify these are legitimate quotations taken in context? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71050455 Australia 12/17/2015 11:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Christ is the Savior, not the bible book. 2 Corinthians 3:4-6King James Version (KJV) 4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: 5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; 6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 71050634 United States 12/18/2015 02:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Who wrote the NT books and when? [link to web.archive.org (secure)] [link to www.datingthenewtestament.com] KJV History [link to youtu.be] |
beebee (OP) User ID: 71057354 Canada 12/19/2015 12:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Christ is the Savior, not the bible book. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71050455 2 Corinthians 3:4-6King James Version (KJV) 4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: 5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; 6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. Why do you keep quoting from a book that is a scam? The Church hierarchy knows the truth about the origin of its Epistles, for Cardinal Bembo (d. 1547), secretary to Pope Leo X (d. 1521), advised his associate, Cardinal Sadoleto, to disregard them, saying "put away these trifles, for such absurdities do not become a man of dignity; they were introduced on the scene later by a sly voice from heaven" (Cardinal Bembo: His Letters and Comments on Pope Leo X , A. L. Collins, London, 1842 reprint). The Church admits that the Epistles of Paul are forgeries, saying, "Even the genuine Epistles were greatly interpolated to lend weight to the personal views of their authors" ( Catholic Encyclopedia, Farley ed., vol. vii, p. 645). Likewise, St Jerome (d. 420) declared that the Acts of the Apostles, the fifth book of the New Testament, was also "falsely written" ("The Letters of Jerome", Library of the F a t h e r s , Oxford Movement, 1833–45, vol. v, p. 445) beebee |