I almost hate posting this because it is sad. How do we escape this viscous soul sucking reality?

Look at your reflection and imagine it as someone who is already dead until that sinks in

then watch people in public as if they are already dead

then you will see how people don't know that they're already dead and that's strange


animated corpse

Don't have kids then you can't reincarnate. Hermes said those who have offspring become offspring.

I don't believe it's Gnosis / knowledge / enlightenment

Many who have NDE's, will already state they had immediately knew everything.

So Gnosis will already occur.

I'll share different alternative views, but they all support one key thing we should do:

1) Christian perspective, is to accept Jesus, and live by his teachings, which is summed up as loving God and loving and helping others.

2) The oldest form of Buddhism, strongly emphasizes doing good to people.

3) Many Hindus believe in "karmic yoga" doing good, to undo bad karma an ending the reincarnation cycle.

4) From a more new age perspective, Allan Kardec's Spirit Book, which is channeled info, says to do good, or live like Jesus to end our reincarnation cycle.

So the primary lesson is to do good, or love and help others.

Why?

Let's assume in the afterlife there's a heavenly realm.

How would you imagine this?

Would people love each other in general?

If no, would they still be cruel and mean to each other?

If yes, would this be heaven?

No

So there needs to be place like Earth, where people can and develop this lesson.

Once they do, they can then graduate to heaven.

There would then no longer be a need to reincarnate (if this is true), since no more lessons are needed to learn on Earth.

Also

Judging by the length of your post, you obviously have too much energy for your subject body to match to your thread title.

Don't stress child for you are living in a dead man's heaven.

On december 24th 2005 early in the am I reached point of rapture and ascension the heavens litterally opened up abovr my head and I could see beyond the dark looking clouds angels calling me up anyway il cut it short I got played and ended up giving it away to the devil aka friend next to me also decieved by the internet thinking if one goes up then all would go up n there is no one and I was most certainly the one at the time anyway as I totaly transfered this blessing that was pouring into my crown to filthy non clean friend just cause he wanted to feel the light and experience my light within moments this big boned big boy got zapped from above like an invisible lightning and then again momentari
y I grabbed his hand he become like a leaf one more zap later and his entire physical body dissappeared and then moments later I stood in that parking lot thinking why have you forsaken me god am I the only one left behind with all these devils now? Causr also my body was consumed by the sins of the world which I was carrying I prayed and prayed moments passed in what was timeless time and a flash happened and my friend or what looked like my friend came ina flash a blink of the eye manifested before me and then when I asked him questions as to what had transpired it was like it wasnt him and I later realized he was replaced with a bot as most of the world was and I was now officially a prisoner of 3d and yes the devil had indeed concured heaven with my rapture.. I am the real jesus christ by the way.. I was under the influence of demonic deception to allow what took place that night to take place I was under heavy psychiatric injections and so on but im sorry to the omes who where left over here with me cause that was meant to be for me and all of humanity except the demons who where amongst us rather I sent the demons up to 5d heaven and beyond thus ending the onld heavens for good as the old worlds are way gone by now.. they destroyed everything yet im still here amongst you all..

all I have to offer OP is that perhaps we are supposed to relinquish the fear and dogma so that we may change the course of how the system continues and strive to awaken others so the game must change.

"we" as a collective may be behind, but the game is not over, so therefore it is not lost.

I love you OP.

I can't stress it enough--I never wanted kids before. But how fucked up would it be if I'm sitting over here hating this existence, think the world is a trap and yet I keep on popping kids out*?

*I get it. You're trying to grab for your few crumbs of happiness and you think this is a way to at least decorate your own bubble with something positive. "Look at my wonderful house, my loving husband, my beautiful kids." Outside of that bubble is a hell hole. It's the equivalent of sliding out of the womb with chains attached to your wrists and ankles and then being tossed into the swimming pool. "You better hope you float like a bar of soap or you're fucked."

OP, that snippet you quoted is a quote of mine. Unfortunately I still don't have any answers. All I know is that's where my energy is being devoted to now. I want my freedom. I don't want to spend the rest of my life barely clinging to the edge of a cliff. I was wrong...I thought staying in the light when it concerns current events was the right thing to do. "Oh, it's better to know than not have a fucking clue and be in the dark when it concerns everything." All I know is that sums up this life is barely hanging onto the cliff. Every day is another day of something trying to stomp on your hand so you let go. I can't take that anymore. I'm not closing my eyes and running off to watch the latest Kardashian marathon. I just want to turn all my attention on finding the exit. There's GOT to be more than one way to leave this trap. It's too much of a gamble waiting for death. There's no guarantee you'll remember what you learned if you get in a fucked up enough condition where you can't even remember your own name. I'm not interested in gambling in rigged casinos where the house always wins.

However...*hugs* I realize this post definitely won't win the "Ray of Sunshine" award.

How am I gonna know? That's the thing. Something comes up and tells me "Oh, you raped 20 people, killed 50, threw rocks at 100 puppies, flashed yourself to 250 people, cheated everybody you came in contact with in your past lives and you're just a very bad person." Maybe I did that. But maybe I'm being lied to. That's where I'm at. My trust is gone. I don't give a damn if we're talking about some fucker with a halo over his or her head, wearing angel wings. I don't trust after being in this existence.

I expect to get flamed for saying that. I got an education in this world. It's not a case of we do right by each other. We do the right thing, the good thing, the honorable thing--we don't have that! How many times have I said we live in a dependent world where you have to depend on others and they let you down? Whether we're talking politicians, the people in whatever religion doing bad shit, the person you thought you could depend on and stabbed you in the back, etc.

What's your most prized possession? How many people do you trust to loan that possession out and you expect to A) get it back and B) get it back in the same condition it was in when they borrowed it? And how many are shaking your head like crazy and thinking "There's no way in hell I'd loan out my most prized possession."

How can one trust or even love in a world that's determined for you to not have either one on a grand scale?

perhaps the key to relinquishing the fear of falling from said cliff is closing your eyes and believing you can fly?

Fantastic thread!

Nothing makes sense anymore. The idea of winging it on a sailboat solo sounds apealing though.

I disagree with that tbh. This existence has turned me damn near anti-social and I wasn't like that when I was younger. I was the fool that was still trying to be nice to people that treated me like shit. And then I snapped out of it. Why should I give a damn about them or even try for those people? I'm not sitting over here thinking I'm better than anybody else because I'm not. All I'm saying is I'm tired of the aggravation.

All I'm trying to say is there's plenty of people that are kind and loving and get the shit end of the stick. A lot of people shut down and others just stick with people they know won't hurt them. This isn't the place to learn love for the most part. And yet those people are stuck down here with people that act more and more hateful and demonic with each passing day. It makes no sense.

I believe along the same lines as the person you quoted, but logic and gravity in this world says you cannot fly without wings, even with your eyes closed.

Balance

I didn't say there are exceptions, and you can still set boundaries.

Look at the Shaolin Monks, they're Buddhists, that in general are loving and peaceful to people, but are also willing to defend themselves.

We're told to love in the Bible, but it also says there's nothing wrong with self defense:

Exodus 22:2 If a thief is caught breaking in at night and is struck a fatal blow, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed

Online for a few minutes and I wanted to bump this thread again.

I realize the basic reply for this type of stuff is "Life is what you make of it" but that still doesn't set well with me. That phrase reeks of stuff you can do inside your bubble but don't you feel like a puppet on a string every single time you leave your bubble? Why is it frowned upon to honestly mean "Something doesn't feel right and I don't think life is supposed to be a controlled simulation inside of a puppet show." How many of you have felt this way? "You're supposed to think this way. You're supposed to do this. You're not supposed to think that way or do that." What if you managed to break free from the puppet show at least a bit? But you're still on the stage. You're still on the stage. How do you get off the stage? What's it like being off the stage? "Oops, I step down on the spot where the floor should be and there's no floor!" or is it a case of the most blissful feeling because your chains have been broken and you get to really experience life outside of the puppet show?

This is the kind of shit that runs through my mind. No, I'm not high or drunk now. Maybe you just think I'm batshit crazy and need to be strapped down. But maybe I think you're crazy if you think the majority of stuff in this puppet show makes any sense at all instead of comparing it to a tv show that's been on for so long, has turned to complete shit and they're over there repeating storylines. Only thing is I have the luxury of turning the channel or turning the tv set off for a tv show. But this, how do I turn the channel, turn it off completely or even unplug it?

Viscous?

So reality is sticky?

Hugs given.



I can TOTALLY relate to your entire post OP. And while I don't have an answer, I know that for me, just knowing there are others out there who feel this way gives some comfort and helps to keep the little "flame of truth" alive inside of me.

I too have often wondered why it is that we who seek the truth are seemingly punished by it, while those who plod along in ignorance could never know the internal pain and struggle we live with - the whole "ignorance is bliss" thing.

Like you, I have to believe there is some kind of payoff, some kind of spiritual reward for this. But even if there is not, I know that for me, you, and countless others, we would still take the red pill if given the chance, never the blue pill, because there is just something in our souls that drives us towards the Ultimate Truth.

You know, I heard something this weekend that seems oh so appropriate for this exact situation - it's an old Irish saying I believe:

"All your blessings are curses, and all your curses blessings."

I would like to think that might be the case in regards to this - only time will tell.

Hang in there OP - Many Blessings to you...


~ QuantumKev

I'm sorry, but I think You are confused. The God who made us, The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob doesn't allow us to be food for the demonic entities. Yes, you can get sucked on, but listen, He sent Lord Jesus down here to die for our sins so that He can forgive us and show Mercy on Us. That is the Love that He has for us.

We are not going to be reincarnated. We have this life to experience the goodness of God and the awful effects of sin and rebellion against God. We are here to know the truth about Lord Jesus and our Kinsman Redeemer and to CHOOSE whether we will Serve the Lord or refuse His Kind Offer of Salvation.

Salvation is Free. It is the Gift of God. But, We must repent and come out of our sin. That is how this thing works.

You aren't going to be reincarnated, dear. I'm sorry. I know that is preferable to some people to the truth. But, you are an eternal being and you are going to exist. It's just a matter of whether you are going to exist in the Grace and Goodness of The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob or whether you are going to exist seperated from His Goodness.

That's the choice.

Wow thank you for all of the replies. I hate saying I like that some of you feel crappy about this all too, but I guess it feels nice to know I am not alone.



I love you too.




Thank you originally posting the quote that spurred on this discussion. It may be hard to wrestle with, but like you are saying, I am tired of running away.

The part I put in bold was very very nice to hear and I can feel the passion behind your words. I think deep down I needed to hear someone say that out loud. That we should not be rolling over and accepting this all. That there HAS to be something that can make some sort of difference.





I was crazy social growing up, and get along great with people, but now I am also basically anti-social as well. I very rarely use social media on purpose, and I just can't stand to be around most people because they are self-absorbed deep down, and caught up way too much into what the elite, or whoever, want them to be focused on. I am also not trying to be all judgmental towards them, it is more sad. And like you are saying, it seems to be getting worse and worse.

I do not respond to others with bitchiness because of my feelings. That is the good I can do. Treat people with respect. Not be afraid to show my compassion when I genuinely feel it. And always keep in mind how I would want things handled if the situation was reversed. But this is not to keep some sort of scorecard that I hope will help me when I die. It is just the way people should behave imho. But there is more to the equation than to just "love others." What that is... well... anyone have any other ideas besides Jesus or just rolling over?




Hahaha... I saw this typo after I posted and just hoped no one would notice. I have a chemical engineering degree so you think I would know better :-P

The situation IS sticky though. lol





Yes I think we all agree that we would "go down the rabbit hole" if we had to make the choice over and over again... because we have this great quality of caring enough to understand (despite pain). It is written in our souls. Those of us reading this type of post I mean. As for most people...

"You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it. "

We are a very very small minority. That makes it even more overwhelming. Almost all people being manipulated and controlled would not want it to change. So they are basically on our enemies side.

I get some solace from this hope I have, that Source/Fate is on our side. So basically destiny is written in a way that has justice dished out appropriately. That this pressure being put on all of us is a way to truly show our true colors. So it sucks hardcore for us right now for a reason.

For example, I have refused to ignore my gut/conscious every step of my life, and it has led me into tons of pain and hardships (like homelessness, physical torture (in mental wards), and other crap. But that shit has made me SO strong. I would not change ANYTHING about it. I did not break. Someone up there knew I could handle it all, and I consider that a compliment.

You guys know exactly what I mean I am sure. Pain sucks. But hasn't it shown us secretly how badass we are?



Anyway I have rambled enough. You guys rock.

I just ran into a great post.



Thread: Are you noticing that the sheep are 'losing it'?

Its a vile universe.

It's way too late for me to do that. Again, my trust is completely gone. When a person gets hurt so many times by people...whether it be people you don't know, people you thought were your friends or even family, it just does a number on you. The words and actions haunt me to this day. Everybody's different and for my case, I realize I'm better off without the toxic people or even opening the door and possibly letting toxic people in. I'm better off without it.

I realize people have different beliefs and you're going to stick with your beliefs like I'll stick with my beliefs. I look at the shit going on in this world and it's just beyond fucked up and it won't be getting any better. I can't make excuses or reason it away. In my heart and in my mind the only thing that makes sense is we're food for something and I truly fear we keep getting sent down here so we can keep on being a source for something unless we break free on our own. Maybe they'll use your family "We can be together again!", "You had such a shitty time last go round. Why don't you go back down there and give it another try. Maybe you'll meet your soul mate, maybe you'll see what it feels like to be happy", or maybe they'll tell you that you're such a shitty person and you need to work off more of that karma debt. Maybe they'll use other methods to get you back here. But that's where my mind is at--this is a sick system from top to bottom, inside and out. The ones that created this are the biggest psychopaths of all imo.

Well its evident many are wakening and this place is going to face its own undoing as it self-destructs - one of the important things to remember as the coming times approach is to not be identifying with the putrid body of the world, but instead to detach as much as possible from the powers and appearances that rule the nature here.

Once again, that which has been referred to as the clearing of the planet, is in actual fact its final death throes before its ultimate demise.

And thank you for posting this new thread because I really am interested in what others have to say about the subject. I admit sometimes some of my thoughts might sound a bit weird but some of them are things that stay with me and at least make sense to me. Those are the things I wonder about most of all. I realize it's a heavy topic to talk about and really even to think about.

I used to post more on other sites and something's changed inside of me there as well. I think it's because of all the negativity. I know the tempers are sky high and people show their ass irl and they can get on the computer and show their ass just as much. I'm still semi-active on one site and all the people over there are on the friendly side and I don't see anybody showing their ass or nitpicking, etc. Goodness knows I know people aren't going to agree about everything. I'm just over people acting like they want to cut your throat if you're having a disagreement either irl or online.

We come here willingly to learn. I had a very eye opening experience, but when we are not in the body we are in a perfect state of oneness where choosing to come here seems like the easiest thing in the world to do. From that vantage, anything is possible. There is no fear of 'going in', in fact quite the contrary. We want to grow. As long as I am growing, I have no fear in returning here.

Excellent post.

I honestly would like to know the difference in the people that see this for what it is versus the people that don't see it for what it is. I'll be the first to admit that it's not like I'm the sharpest knife in the drawer but I'm still able to see some of the traps set out for the population in this world. I would think even the simplest explanation for anybody is "What in the hell is wrong with this place? Everything's turning upside down and is generally just fucked up." That maybe you can't explain everything going down but you can at least have a little line or two to describe that you see there's something wrong going on.

The only logical thing I can think of is that the ones that see this have been here before. I imagine the cons never change. Maybe this is parts of us that haven't or can't be erased inside of us? "Yeah, I've seen and heard this before and it didn't turn out well all the other times either."

All I pictured in my mind when I saw the thread title was Agent Smith.