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Helicopter Money Arrives: Switzerland To Hand Out $2500 Monthly To All Citizens

 
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"The action committee pushing the initiative consists of artists, writers and intellectuals..."

In other words, lazy assholes who don't work. Inflation will eat that monthly money up as fast as you can say, "Gibson’s Paradox."

Socialism doesn't work. Keynes was wrong. And when the SHTF, people will weep because the Constitution did not say "Life, Liberty, and PROPERTY..."

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Someone on another forum told me that this year is a jubilee year.
Something about forgiving debts and giving back to citizens. That it is mandatory. He said it is supposed to happen every 40 years, I think.

But I'm not sure...I'm researching it. ?
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Its the seventh cycle of the seven year Schmitah
 Quoting: Isis One


What does this mean for us neophytes?
 Quoting: A Friend


In Jewish culture, every seven years you let the fields lay fallow. You only eat what grows by accident. You also forgive all debts. Then there is a cycle of every seven year cycles, ie, 49 years is a jubilee Schmitah. I think I have it right.
 Quoting: Isis One


So we are on the BIG Jubilee! I wonder if this gives any added benefits. I'll go take a look. Thanks!
But Lord, he stinketh!

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From 1970 to 2000, Corporate and Banker Lobbying jumped from 5% to 300%

What did that get us?

Government provided Bread and Cheese to Food Stamps usage from Grocery Stores to Fast Food Restaurants that lobbied for them to have a cut of the money.

Nafta
Gafta
Gatt
Toxic Mortgage Backed Securities
China Trade
Obama Care
TPP


The biggest recipients of government aid is corporate lobbyists
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Switzerland is so damn expensive that $2,500 a month won't cause that many people to stop working. But this shit won't work. Giving people a bunch of money will only cause prices to rise to compensate. If you don't yet understand that, you should go read up on Austrian economics.
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Gotta git me sum-a-dat Swiss cheese!

Heading to Switzerland! Gonna take yodeling lessons with my share!
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Switzerland is so damn expensive that $2,500 a month won't cause that many people to stop working. But this shit won't work. Giving people a bunch of money will only cause prices to rise to compensate. If you don't yet understand that, you should go read up on Austrian economics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70853153


So the cost of living there is high?

That is what I wanted to know.

You cannot buy shit in Switzerland with $2500; is what I am getting from reading these threads.

So the recipients cannot afford to own a home or purchase an auto.

Its a subsistence income.
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What's the catch?

We did this one time, everyone received $900.

Countries still dying.
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Imagine the conditions that will be placed on this government money. They'll control your whole life and if you don't comply there'll be no payment.

Mandatory Vaccinations, where you can spend it and on what,telling you what doctor you can see, where your children will go to school, what they can teach your children and on top of that, it'll be user pays system and you'll end up owing at the end of it because there will be no way $600 a week will cover that.
Just ask someone earning that pittance now how far it goes.

For anyone who values freedom,this is a bad idea.
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"The initiative’s backers say it aims to break the link between employment and income, with people entitled to guaranteed income regardless of whether they work."

1rof1bonghitanother do
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Switzerland is so damn expensive that $2,500 a month won't cause that many people to stop working. But this shit won't work. Giving people a bunch of money will only cause prices to rise to compensate. If you don't yet understand that, you should go read up on Austrian economics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70853153


So the cost of living there is high?

That is what I wanted to know.

You cannot buy shit in Switzerland with $2500; is what I am getting from reading these threads.

So the recipients cannot afford to own a home or purchase an auto.

Its a subsistence income.
 Quoting: Nikola Tesla


That is all it's meant to be. They are counting on the fact that the average human feels a sense of accomplishment and pride at a job well done. This gets rid of the welfare state. That is all. The welfare state is poison for all. Working people will get the fun extras like entertainment and eating out, buying clothes and vacations. These things boost the economy. The quality of life is enhanced for everyone. It is a win-win situation.
But Lord, he stinketh!

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Imagine the conditions that will be placed on this government money. They'll control your whole life and if you don't comply there'll be no payment.

Mandatory Vaccinations, where you can spend it and on what,telling you what doctor you can see, where your children will go to school, what they can teach your children and on top of that, it'll be user pays system and you'll end up owing at the end of it because there will be no way $600 a week will cover that.
Just ask someone earning that pittance now how far it goes.

For anyone who values freedom,this is a bad idea.
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You are right, it must come with only two strings attached; you are a human and you are a full citizen (to be determined by each individual country).
But Lord, he stinketh!

:fnecsm:

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70% of the economy is created because of people buying useless junk and stuff.
It was bound to happen, first Finland, then Switzerland and more will follow soon enough.
It is the endgame.
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You dont get it :

Deflation and debts are killing world economy.
High unemployment is helping too
They choose to stimulate demand....better than giving money away to banks.
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70% of the economy is created because of people buying useless junk and stuff.
It was bound to happen, first Finland, then Switzerland and more will follow soon enough.
It is the endgame.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71355785


You dont get it :

Deflation and debts are killing world economy.
High unemployment is helping too
They choose to stimulate demand....better than giving money away to banks.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71342605


Where do you think the $2500 comes from?

The only good side of this is getting rid of bureaucracy = higher unemployment for the gov hordes.
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Thanks for the thread.

If you consider the fact that ALL other forms of payouts will be eliminated, the money has a chance to work well. There will be no resentment, no fraud, no homelessness, no hunger, thriving business economy with great wages... I really don't see a downside yet.

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How can you not see the downside? Homeless are in their situation because of their past choices. What makes you think a free handout would take them off the streets and not into more trouble using drugs and alcohol. The homeless need basic things like shelter and food not a couple thousand dollars to blow on strippers and cocaine. All of this money will also increase consumerism, pollution and carelessness. The capitalists are lining their pockets for the states tax money and everyone gets excited. Maybe eating all of that Modified food and breathing that shit air has completely turned everyone into zombies.
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Switzerland is so damn expensive that $2,500 a month won't cause that many people to stop working. But this shit won't work. Giving people a bunch of money will only cause prices to rise to compensate. If you don't yet understand that, you should go read up on Austrian economics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70853153


So the cost of living there is high?

That is what I wanted to know.

You cannot buy shit in Switzerland with $2500; is what I am getting from reading these threads.

So the recipients cannot afford to own a home or purchase an auto.

Its a subsistence income.
 Quoting: Nikola Tesla


That is all it's meant to be. They are counting on the fact that the average human feels a sense of accomplishment and pride at a job well done. This gets rid of the welfare state. That is all. The welfare state is poison for all. Working people will get the fun extras like entertainment and eating out, buying clothes and vacations. These things boost the economy. The quality of life is enhanced for everyone. It is a win-win situation.
 Quoting: A Friend


I rented out a place there a few years ago and it was around 900 francs a month. Food and gas there are the only things expensive. If you're cooking at home it's usually fine.
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Getting close to end game when you have to pay the "have nots" to not attack the "haves"...
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That's what COMMUNISM does. Always did, always will.

Every COMMIE, that means leftie, ought to be hunted down and basically slaughtered before they slaughter you/us.
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Finland plans on doing the same thing.
I personally don't think it will work out in the long run since the resources will get dried up.
Also, free money means free vacation. There is a risk that young people (18-26) will use their money to travel around the world and spend it all on drugs/alcohol, etc etc. Which would mean that the country giving their citizens money would not gain ANYTHING, not even workforce.
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this would be actually a good thing. the younger they start to destroy themself with drugs and alcohol the earlier they die.
which means more space and less people on this planet.


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"The initiative’s backers say it aims to break the link between employment and income, with people entitled to guaranteed income regardless of whether they work."

1rof1bonghitanother do
 Quoting: Copperhead


The people who thought this up don't know human nature. To get out of bed and be creative each day you need to be inspired. Inspiration does not come from a welfare check.

I am experiencing it now because I was made redundant and I am on welfare. So I am not pouring rubbish on people who accept welfare. I am doing 12-15 applications a month, for 13 months, and have not had a single interview. I have 39 years of full-time work experience.

I am lucky I have driving passions and have "been down the rabbit hole" so to speak for many years. This makes me want to get out of bed and forge a life.

Many, but not all, of people receiving a "citizen's payment" will slow their life down to a standstill and become welfare-dependent. Not a happy state of affairs.
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The price for stuff will rise.
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"The initiative’s backers say it aims to break the link between employment and income, with people entitled to guaranteed income regardless of whether they work."

1rof1bonghitanother do
 Quoting: Copperhead


I read somewhere that at the nearing of the collapse of so many past civilisations that something like 90% plus of the population were on 'government income'....

There is truly nothing new under the sun and since sun worship symbology is saturating our minds from the same media pulpit, you'd think people would start to get uneasy.

This fixes nothing. The monetary system stays put, the corporations still rule the day, taxes become even more of a burden....and instead of addressing all of that, they shift everyone's attention to glorified welfare. Welfare that's needed because of the corrupt system. Hence why Ancient Rome before collapse had its entire population on the government payroll....
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It's kind of a good idea to get folks above the drowning stage to gulp air and survive. Sounds to me like a Trump idea in the making. Not a typical handout but a lifeline to get a grip on the future. Way to go, Switzerland. Who also encourage mommy to be home (paid) with the baby for way longer than the US's pathetic "6 weeks" bullshit. Such a revolutionary thought that parents and kids might need time to bond, lol.
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Thanks for the thread.

If you consider the fact that ALL other forms of payouts will be eliminated, the money has a chance to work well. There will be no resentment, no fraud, no homelessness, no hunger, thriving business economy with great wages... I really don't see a downside yet.

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How can you not see the downside? Homeless are in their situation because of their past choices. What makes you think a free handout would take them off the streets and not into more trouble using drugs and alcohol. The homeless need basic things like shelter and food not a couple thousand dollars to blow on strippers and cocaine. All of this money will also increase consumerism, pollution and carelessness. The capitalists are lining their pockets for the states tax money and everyone gets excited. Maybe eating all of that Modified food and breathing that shit air has completely turned everyone into zombies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70972663


youre a fucking twat.
the more they consume the earlier they die. which makes it way more cheaper for health insurance contingent. and the streets would be cleaner to! its a win win in every way.

this income is tax free by the way!
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Thanks for the thread.

If you consider the fact that ALL other forms of payouts will be eliminated, the money has a chance to work well. There will be no resentment, no fraud, no homelessness, no hunger, thriving business economy with great wages... I really don't see a downside yet.

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How can you not see the downside? Homeless are in their situation because of their past choices. What makes you think a free handout would take them off the streets and not into more trouble using drugs and alcohol. The homeless need basic things like shelter and food not a couple thousand dollars to blow on strippers and cocaine. All of this money will also increase consumerism, pollution and carelessness. The capitalists are lining their pockets for the states tax money and everyone gets excited. Maybe eating all of that Modified food and breathing that shit air has completely turned everyone into zombies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70972663


Expand your horizons. Look at reality and see the families that live in their cars and the children that go to bed hungry. It is not the government's job to wonder whether I spend my money well. Once everyone is taken up out of desperation the world will thrive.
But Lord, he stinketh!

:fnecsm:

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"The initiative’s backers say it aims to break the link between employment and income, with people entitled to guaranteed income regardless of whether they work."

1rof1bonghitanother do
 Quoting: Copperhead


I read somewhere that at the nearing of the collapse of so many past civilisations that something like 90% plus of the population were on 'government income'....

There is truly nothing new under the sun and since sun worship symbology is saturating our minds from the same media pulpit, you'd think people would start to get uneasy.

This fixes nothing. The monetary system stays put, the corporations still rule the day, taxes become even more of a burden....and instead of addressing all of that, they shift everyone's attention to glorified welfare. Welfare that's needed because of the corrupt system. Hence why Ancient Rome before collapse had its entire population on the government payroll....
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This is part of the GCR/RV. It's going to start in other countries first. It will be coming to America soon. All that is left is to take down the last of the Cabal. It begins and ends with Hillary. Literally days away now!
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The Devil tries to convince everyone he doesn't exist.
The state tries to convince everyone they cannot resist.
Do not go quietly into the good night. Rage Rage against the dying light!
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This is part of the GCR/RV. It's going to start in other countries first. It will be coming to America soon. All that is left is to take down the last of the Cabal. It begins and ends with Hillary. Literally days away now!
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Please expand the abbreviations.
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The price for stuff will rise.
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Oh come on... only price that matters is heat, rent, and council rates. $2500 buys a lot of tinned beans and tomato plants. This is pure bribery to tow the line... but hell, it's better than the barrel of a gun
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Thanks for the thread.

If you consider the fact that ALL other forms of payouts will be eliminated, the money has a chance to work well. There will be no resentment, no fraud, no homelessness, no hunger, thriving business economy with great wages... I really don't see a downside yet.

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How can you not see the downside? Homeless are in their situation because of their past choices. What makes you think a free handout would take them off the streets and not into more trouble using drugs and alcohol. The homeless need basic things like shelter and food not a couple thousand dollars to blow on strippers and cocaine. All of this money will also increase consumerism, pollution and carelessness. The capitalists are lining their pockets for the states tax money and everyone gets excited. Maybe eating all of that Modified food and breathing that shit air has completely turned everyone into zombies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70972663


Expand your horizons. Look at reality and see the families that live in their cars and the children that go to bed hungry. It is not the government's job to wonder whether I spend my money well. Once everyone is taken up out of desperation the world will thrive.
 Quoting: A Friend

Keep dreaming about your science fiction Utopic society where it's all unicorns and rainbows. Truth is the most prosperous countries on the planet are also its biggest polluters. If every country were to be prosperous, imagine how fucked up our environment would be.
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Thanks for the thread.

If you consider the fact that ALL other forms of payouts will be eliminated, the money has a chance to work well. There will be no resentment, no fraud, no homelessness, no hunger, thriving business economy with great wages... I really don't see a downside yet.

pinned
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How can you not see the downside? Homeless are in their situation because of their past choices. What makes you think a free handout would take them off the streets and not into more trouble using drugs and alcohol. The homeless need basic things like shelter and food not a couple thousand dollars to blow on strippers and cocaine. All of this money will also increase consumerism, pollution and carelessness. The capitalists are lining their pockets for the states tax money and everyone gets excited. Maybe eating all of that Modified food and breathing that shit air has completely turned everyone into zombies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70972663


youre a fucking twat.
the more they consume the earlier they die. which makes it way more cheaper for health insurance contingent. and the streets would be cleaner to! its a win win in every way.

this income is tax free by the way!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71250865


What the fuck are you even saying? The worlds largest consuming countries have the longest life spans. At least try sound smart if you're really dumb.





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