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Poll. How many Christians know Paul was a liar?

 
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Since Paul is false who else may be false ?

Have you asked yourself this question ?
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The book of Esther is nearly worthless. You can toss out Song of Solomon too.
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A Book of Mysteries:
Something Hidden

by Chuck Missler

"Esther is an obscure book to many, even though it is a story of romance and palace intrigue set in the glory days of the Persian Empire. A Jewish maiden, elevated to the throne of Persia as its queen, is used by God to preserve His people against a Hitler-like annihilation.

To this day, the Feast of Purim commemorates the memory of this deliverance. Even the works of Shakespeare's dramatic genius cannot compare with the drama and irony in this captivating epic.

However, the book deals with real historical events, not just a story to highlight a moral. It deals with an escape from genocidal annihilation after their return from Babylonian captivity. Chronologically, Esther makes possible Nehemiah. It was Esther's marriage to the king of Persia that ultimately leads to the rebuilding of Jerusalem and enables the chain of events that led to the appearance of the Messiah five centuries later.

The Mysteries of the Book

However, the Biblical mysteries abound: There is no mention of the name of God in the book. There is no reference to worship or faith. There is no mention or prediction of the Messiah; no mention of heaven or hell; there is nothing "religious" about it. It is a gripping tale, but why is it here in the Bible? Martin Luther believed it should not be part of the Canon!

The name Esther gives us a clue: it means "Something Hidden"! And we discover that there are numerous surprises hidden behind, and underneath, the text itself."

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"The Feast of Purim was instituted by Mordecai to celebrate the deliverance of the Jews from Haman's plot to kill them. Our Jewish friends continue to celebrate this feast to this day, which is based on the events in the Book of Esther. Purim (from Akkadian, puru, "lots") is so called after the lots cast by Haman in order to determine the month in which the slaughter was to take place."


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Foiling the First Nazi:
The Book of Esther

The famed foiling of the wicked plot of Haman to blot out the Jews is, of course, one of the more dramatic narratives in the Bible. In addition to the many twists in the plot, there are also some surprises hidden behind the text itself. It is significant that the name of the book itself, Esther, means "something hidden"!1




Hidden Acrostics

An acrostic can be a mechanism for including a hidden message. In the Book of Esther we encounter some remarkable surprises. The name of God is hidden no less than eight times in acrostics in the text. Four times it appears as an acrostic, the famed Tetragammaton, "YHWH" or "Yahweh" or "YeHoVaH"; once as "EHYH" or "I AM" as at the Burning Bush. Also, Meshiach ("Messiah"), Yeshua ("Jesus"), and El Shaddai ("The Almighty"), also appear as equidistant letter sequences.9

As Gentiles, we need to remember that we are grafted into the true olive tree by the skin of our teeth.10 We must not forget that we were joined into what was a Jewish Church-with Jewish leaders, a Jewish Bible, and are worshipping a Jewish Messiah. Baruch HaShem.Bless His Name!

Deeper Roots

The more we look, the more we realize that there is still much more hidden, and thus reserved for the diligent inquirer. (Would you expect anything less in the Word of God?) The entire drama has deeper roots. Haman was a royal Amalekite, a descendant of the very king Agag whom King Saul was supposed to have slain (1 Sam 15:1-28). If Saul had followed his instructions, there wouldn't have been a Haman. For Saul's failure, his kingdom was taken away. Mordecai, too, a key benefactor in the tale, was a result of David having refused to take vengeance upon Shimei so many years earlier.11 It was Esther's marriage to the King of Persia that ultimately led to the rebuilding of Jerusalem.

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In all reality was it Christ's perfect life that saves us or His death that saves us?
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Why do you try to separate them?
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In all reality was it Christ's perfect life that saves us or His death that saves us?
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Why do you try to separate them?
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Because they are separate.
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But this also assumes your not an ignorant
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Yea I know your different you got it all figured out .. Lol just as lost
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Fine no problem and perfectly acceptable, but then setting yourself up as an authority on truth shows a stunning lack of humbleness. Humbleness is more important than trying to prove yourself right thread after thread after thread.
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He consistently has only one purpose- and that is to deny the Divinity of Jesus Christ.

He will stand before Jesus Christ fully accountable in review of every word every time.

Imagine that..
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Well I've read A lot of bad things About me from you whether your conscious of it or not .
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Your not hurting me , your only hurting yourself
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In all reality was it Christ's perfect life that saves us or His death that saves us?
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Why do you try to separate them?
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Because they are separate.
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Why do you all of you guys not answer me when I ask you something directly, but always answer when I ask someone else something?

Jesus' sinless life is essential to His sacrificial death.

But I do not expect you to believe any such thing, of course, and for whatever your reason, I don't care.

You can tell Jesus Christ when you are standing before Him.

See you there.
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No, we are talking of God sacrificing Himself as an act of Love.
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But Jesus is not God so that's irrelevant.
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You can't prove that statement any more than I can produce the proof here that He is.
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The one I just posted, Acts 3:13.
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lol, I believe in God and His Son. It's called faith. Faith is believing in something I do not have the ability to prove. Quoting a bible verse does not prove the existence of God to non believers.
Living the gospel of Christ is an action not a thought.
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Oh, I see now, God has to be logical. So who is God a follower of, Plato, Socrates, I have no idea. You are the one stuck with your logic.
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Ohh I see Now G-d contradicts his word , he might as well tell us tm he Hats us all and really didn't mean anything

Dumb
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Be careful now, don't assume your point of view is correct just because many Christians don't get sound doctrine.
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Yea I know your different you got it all figured out .. Lol just as lost
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There's lots I don't know. My knowledge seems to fit well In world history. I have yet to find any major doctrinal flaw in my doctrine. That wasn't always the case when I was an independent baptist.
Living the gospel of Christ is an action not a thought.
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But Jesus is not God so that's irrelevant.
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You can't prove that statement any more than I can produce the proof here that He is.
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The one I just posted, Acts 3:13.
 Quoting: Monotheism




lol, I believe in God and His Son. It's called faith. Faith is believing in something I do not have the ability to prove. Quoting a bible verse does not prove the existence of God to non believers.
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I wasn't trying to prove God to unbelievers, I was proving God is not a trinity and Jesus is not YHWH to believers.

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In all reality was it Christ's perfect life that saves us or His death that saves us?
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Why do you try to separate them?
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Because they are separate.
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They are both separate and the same.
Living the gospel of Christ is an action not a thought.
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Eichmann,

According to you, define "the true gospel of Messiah," "the actual truth of Christ."

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Again, please explain your own words.
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Although he existed in the form of God,
he did not consider equality with God a thing to be grasped,
but emptied himself; taking the form of a servant being born in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself;
becoming obedient to death, even death on a cross.
Therefore God also highly exalted him and gave him the name that is above every name,
so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

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In all reality was it Christ's perfect life that saves us or His death that saves us?
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Why do you try to separate them?

Jesus' sinless life is essential to His sacrificial death.
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Eichmann,

According to you, define "the true gospel of Messiah," "the actual truth of Christ."

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Again, please explain in your own words.
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"You are my witnesses," declares YHWH, "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me. Isaiah 43:10
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And behold, some people brought to him a paralytic, lying on a bed. And when Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, "Take heart, my son; your sins are forgiven."

And behold, some of the scribes said to themselves, "This man is blaspheming."




Monotheism,

Were the scribes right?
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In all reality was it Christ's perfect life that saves us or His death that saves us?
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Why do you try to separate them?

Jesus' sinless life is essential to His sacrificial death.
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I'm not really trying to separate them but I think Christians focus way to much on His death and not His life.
Living the gospel of Christ is an action not a thought.
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And behold, some people brought to him a paralytic, lying on a bed. And when Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, "Take heart, my son; your sins are forgiven."

And behold, some of the scribes said to themselves, "This man is blaspheming."




Monotheism,

Were the scribes right?
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You tell me.

but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?" John 10:32
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And behold, some people brought to him a paralytic, lying on a bed. And when Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, "Take heart, my son; your sins are forgiven."

And behold, some of the scribes said to themselves, "This man is blaspheming."




Monotheism,

Were the scribes right?
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You tell me.

but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?" John 10:32
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Eichmann,

According to you, define "the true gospel of Messiah," "the actual truth of Christ."

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Again, please explain in your own words.
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The gospel is the truth that Christ taught. It is only through His teaching that someone can be redeemed. The idea that His message was only for the "jews" is insanity. Christ said clearly in His gospels that His doctrine was for everyone and it would stay that way until the end.
Living the gospel of Christ is an action not a thought.
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Eichmann,

According to you, define "the true gospel of Messiah," "the actual truth of Christ."

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Again, please explain in your own words.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71371737

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71371737



The gospel is the truth that Christ taught. It is only through His teaching that someone can be redeemed. The idea that His message was only for the "jews" is insanity. Christ said clearly in His gospels that His doctrine was for everyone and it would stay that way until the end.
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And that is...
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And behold, some people brought to him a paralytic, lying on a bed. And when Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, "Take heart, my son; your sins are forgiven."

And behold, some of the scribes said to themselves, "This man is blaspheming."




Monotheism,

Were the scribes right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71371737


You tell me.

but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?" John 10:32
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Deceiver.
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And behold, some people brought to him a paralytic, lying on a bed. And when Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, "Take heart, my son; your sins are forgiven."

And behold, some of the scribes said to themselves, "This man is blaspheming."




Monotheism,

Were the scribes right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71371737


You tell me.

but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?" John 10:32
 Quoting: Monotheism


If Jesus had returned at the hight of Christian influence, Christians would have tried to have him burned at the stake for denying the trinity. Imagine that. That says it all.
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Monotheism,

Who forgives sins?

...
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He consistently has only one purpose- and that is to deny the Divinity of Jesus Christ.

He will stand before Jesus Christ fully accountable in review of every word every time.

Imagine that..
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But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.







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