Gnostics think Jehovah is evil

:gaythread2:

Ok harry

Don't understand the stupidness of you two. ^^

Those are serious questions important to have answered.

I would like to post something that I found but it is a little long if you don't mind i will post it. Regarding Who Lucifer really is. It is something unique.

And who Jehova really is as well.

OP ill put it simply.

gnostics = Judaized pagans.

pagans at that time were very very very butthurt that the Jews made their paganism look very very stupid.
so the pagans recognized the awesomeness of the Torah and of the G-d of Israel, and admitted its the truth...

BUT they reinterpreted it in a way that made the creator look evil, also they heard snippets of Kabbalah from Jews and then they took it and corrupted it to suit their stupid pagan gnostic butthurt philosophy.

it is really that simple.

and later the incorporated jesus in thier stupid butthurt mishmash.

it is that simple... a no brainer really.

I'd love the read it. Be my guest.

So then where to find the real truth, and how to know what truth really is?

You people have to excuse me for my naivity. The only religious education I had were on primary from age 4-12.

I'm 30 right now and I try find out what everything is about. I'm just asking questions and am not trying to insult anybody.

If you think that trying to educate yourself is stupid, think what you want.

And since I'm not perfect; in my world people who learn will make mistakes.

Last Edited by Nuclear on 12/14/2016 06:29 AM

I didnt say you are stupid... I said gnostics are stupid.

also notice what attracts you to gnosticsm... be honest and ADMIT its not facts hard core evidene etc... but emotions.
allure smoke screens and mirros, archons cool, sophia! aha mystery, creator is evil? mmm I should look into it.

its nothing of truth and you know it, its pure emotions and allure... mystique.

if you start to study Judaism and not get side tracked (by all the million stupid cults who are being fucking parasites on our backs, using our teachings and then spin it to their stupidity) you will see what truth really really looks like.

Thanks Op

It's actually Jesus revealing in detail regarding himself and lucifer in detailed form.


THE PLAN OF CREATION
AND SALVATION REVEALED
OTA BENE: Many will ask the question here why I actually
called the souls of My disciples out of their bodies to
make them witness this event. This was because of 2
reasons.
[2] Firstly, when they wake up, they should not remember this
during their life on Earth, for that would have been unnecessary for
them, even harmful for their further development, and secondly
because the soul can only perceive his former levels of
development in his free condition. What matters is the last
mentioned, so that these souls could completely recognize Me as
their Lord and Creator and would ask Me to protect them. Lucifer
had to realize that he was losing more and more followers and that
his power became ever weaker.
[3] Now here is the moment to understand the following and
explain very clearly who and what Lucifer actually is, how one
should visualize him and how he can be overcome in every
individual, for only when these most important questions are
correctly and clearly answered is it possible to understand the
creation, My descend to this Earth, and My suffering and dying.
So, while putting aside every other opinion, let the world listen to
the great secret of My plan of creation and salvation.
[4] When the deity had found Himself through processes that will
always remain hidden to you, and became aware of His creative
and all-encompassing Spirit, a mighty surging and pushing arose in
Him and He spoke in Himself: ‘I want to put My ideas outside of
Me, so that I will be able to see from this what My powers can do.’
For as long as there is no activity, the deity can only know Himself
in a small measure. It is only through His works that He becomes
ever more aware of His power and rejoices in it (just like every
master artist can only see from his own products what is in him
and rejoices in it).
[5] So the deity wanted to create, and spoke then to Himself: ‘In

Me there is all power of the eternities. Let us therefore create a
being who is equipped with all power, equal to Me, but in such
a way that he will have the qualities in him in which I can
recognize Myself.’ And a spirit was created who was equipped
with all the power from Me to make visible to the deity the powers
that are in Me.
[6] In this spirit, the deity Himself wanted to determine the fixed
point of His own active power – just like a human being, when he
walks, will only find a fixed point of support on the firm ground of
the Earth to activate his power to move forward. The resistance
of the Earth itself is good, it is even the means by which the power
actually appears and by which a moving forward can take place.
This power that was delivered, which was placed in the new spirit
that came into existence, was the antipode – wanted by the deity –
which means the contrast of all those qualities that you call divine.
That antipode is therefore not undivine, but makes it only possible
to spread the right light of knowledge.
[7] Because it must be possible for every quality, when perfect, to
be viewed from two sides. My perfection can be found where both
sides fall into one point. Descending and ascending from this
center point, they both lose themselves into infinity.
[8] Take love for example, the highest law and the most noble
quality in the center of My heart. Everyone will easily perceive that
a very loving person can increase further in his love, for it is clear
that already on your Earth a more loving person can always be
found. And nevertheless you will see that very loving people will
also have the right antipode in them by which they are also capable
to refuse, out of love and for wise reasons, all kinds of wishes if by
that they were to harm those who came asking.
[9] If a being were created and placed on that border from which
he freely can develop himself into both directions, it is easy to
realize that he more and more will be able to develop the
possibility in himself to refuse. He will by that separate himself
more and more from the middle border and will finally loose
himself into the most endless depths of the antipode, meaning in

extreme hardening. Thus, when you look at a bad person you
always can imagine a person that is worse, with less love, who will
loose himself in egoism because of the extreme separation.
[10] Now, if I created a being who possessed all – mind you,
without exception – just poles of My divine qualities, it does not
mean that I completely did away with them, so that I as God would
in a way only exist out of one half. It only means that I created a
being whom I placed on that mentioned border, equipped with My
almightiness with which he thus was active and whom I gave the
freedom to develop himself upwards or downwards. And from that
complete power I let him work freely.
[11] That first light of knowledge – meaning the knowledge of the
possibility to develop oneself upwards or downwards – should
keep the being in the center out of his free will, be active from
there in very close connection with the divine initial Spirit and
always create new beings with his own creative power, so that the
Creator as well as the creature could truly delight in it and savor in
that joyful activity a higher degree of blissfulness.
[12] Now if I tell you that the name of this first created spirit was
‘Lucifer’ (meaning ‘Bearer of light’), you will also understand why
he was named that way and not otherwise. He carried within
himself the light of knowledge, and as first spiritual being he was
well aware of the limits of the inner spiritual polarities. Equipped
with My complete power, he now called other beings to life who
were equal to him in everything. They also felt the deity and saw
the same light of knowledge lighting up in them, and they also
were active with their own creative power and were equipped with
all the power of My Spirit. However, special powers of My initial
Spirit were expressed in them, this means that for what concerns
their character they became similar to My 7 most important
qualities, and so their number was 7.
[13] One should not think that the 6 other qualities were then
lacking if their character was similar to one of the 7 qualities, but
their being possessed a special characteristic which made them the
carrier of that special quality which they particularly developed,

for already in the very beginning I took care that My created beings
would depend on each other by necessity – the best way to prevent
them from becoming proud regarding each other.
[14] Lucifer, who surely knew that he represented the antipode of
God in himself, thought now that it would be possible as it were to
suck up the deity, and he fell into the misconception that he, as a
created and so a finite being, could absorb the infinite into him, for
also here the law was valid: ‘No one can see God (the infinite) and
keep his life at the same time’. As a result of that, he could feel the
essence of the deity and hear His commands as long as he was
standing in the right center point, but he never could see Him
personally.
[15] Now because a finite being can and will never understand the
infinity, and can by that, regarding this point, easily fall into errors
and by going down harden himself in these, Lucifer fell, despite all
warnings, into the delusion that he could absorb and capture the
deity. Through that, he left his right position, distanced himself
from the center point of My heart and fell ever more victim to the
wrong wish to gather around him his beings – who existed by him
but out of Me – in order to rule over the spaces that were inhabited
by all kinds of beings.
[16] Now there was a discord, that means a separation of groups
which finally resulted in the withdrawal of the power that was
given by Me to Lucifer, and with his followers he became
powerless and his creative power was taken away.
[17] Of course, the question came up: ‘What will happen now with
that multitude of fallen ones who were as if dead, that means
without activity?’
[18] There were only two ways. The first way was: to destroy
Lucifer with his followers and then create a second one who would
probably be subjected to the same error since a more perfect spirit,
completely set free out of Me and therefore not dependent of My
will, could not be created. To create machines without will that
execute what I command was not difficult. But to acquire the light
of self-awareness was up to now the only way. Since also the other

spirits were created by, that means via Lucifer, and who remained
loyal to Me, they belonged to his sphere. A sudden destruction of
Lucifer would thus also have resulted in the destruction of all
living beings.
[19] Imagine a person who put his children and grandchildren
around him who spring from him as mediator, but who actually
still owe their life to Me. If the deeds, thoughts, and so on, of this
person were destroyed forever, then also his descendants would be
destroyed since otherwise the remembrance to him would still live
on in them. Only a complete erasing of everything that ever came
into contact with him – independent whether this was good or bad
and deserved to be destroyed or not – would make a complete
forgetting possible.
[20] But why should Lucifer deserve this since his fall took only
place because of a misconception by which the possibility existed
to do away with that misconception? Why would those beings who
remained loyal have deserved their destruction? And finally: where
would be My wisdom if since the very beginning I would not have
known and foreseen about the possibility of the fall and that
therefore to repeat the course of creation had to be excluded? And
most of all: where would be My love if it would not hold back a
destruction but rather find ways by its wisdom to bring the lost
beings back to the light of knowledge so that as a result they would
remain in the right balance of the polar qualities?
[21] So only the second way remained which you can see before
you in the material creation.
[22] Imagine a person who absolutely does not want to realize that
the king of the country is a mighty ruler since he, although
equipped with all power and authority by that king, never saw him
personally. He rebels against him and would raise himself to be
king. In order not to bring the subordinates to ruin who remained
loyal to him, the king grabs him, removes his splendor, takes away
his authority and throws him in a locked chamber, just as long as it
takes to let him come to reason, and he will do the same with the
followers. They will be freed according to how much the followers

I'm not specifically attracted to gnosticism. I try to investigate everything to find out what rings to me. A week ago I made a topic coming from Christianity's perspective and there were people angry because I forgot about gnosticism.

So I'm trying to find out what rings. I believe there is a true god. But I don't trust the (modern) scriptures that much.

So I know there is a god. But I don't know who he is and what to do. And that is what I'm trying to find out.

For now I just follow the "Good God". But who is he?

will do penance, realize their error and firmly adhere to the king
who shows himself now also visibly to them.
[23] This weak earthly image shows you what I have done,
because the material creation means that imprisonment. However,
to understand the following you must awake the feeling of your
soul, because the human reason falls too short to understand this.
[24] A soul is composed of numberless particles of which each one
of them comes from an idea that originated from Me, and once he
has found himself he cannot become anything else anymore than
what he is because he then corresponds to the character that he
accepted. When a crystal is crystallized, its characteristic cannot
be changed anymore, and it crystallizes either as rhomboid,
hexagon, octagon, and so on, according to the form of its nature,
that means depending on how the parts accumulated around its
life’s center.
[25] Now when there has to be a change because the crystals did
not end up completely pure, they have to be dissolved by warmth
(love), to crystallize them out again during the cooling off of the
warm love water which is the same as giving up their will. Now
again new, beautiful crystals will form, and every careful chemist
will in this manner know how to obtain the most beautiful, clearest
and biggest crystals that correspond to his purpose.
[26] Look, such chemist am I. I dissolved the crystals that became
impure (Lucifer and his followers) in the warm water of love and I
let those souls crystallize out again to make them pure. That this
happened by the ascension through the mineral kingdom and the
plant kingdom up to man is known to you. But as the soul of
Lucifer encloses the whole material creation, also that has to
express itself in the form of a human being. That is why always all
unions of spirits unite in one person, expressed by the leader of
that union, and they form what is called his sphere. There is
nothing similar on the material level which expresses this clearly.
That is why I say: open up the feeling of your soul.
[27] Now it will also be clear to you that Lucifer thinks that he
must act the way it happens, so that matter could be created – a

misconception because it is not matter that is the end goal of My
creation. But the only goal for the beings who were placed outside
of Me is to know the truth in freedom, to love and to understand
the deity. Matter is only the means for that. Lucifer wanted to hold
on to this second misconception and lost himself in the outer limits
of his polar qualities while he lied to himself that he had to
maintain matter because of that. Enough freedom was given to him
to penetrate matter, that means to consciously contemplate in
himself so that he as very first created spirit would realize what
kind of suffering he caused to his companions and that by that he
may turn around. But this he did not do and only from then on
he wanted to rule as a king of matter that belonged to him. That is
why he darkened as much as possible the human crystals, which
came to development again, to maintain his kingdom, because the
battle with God seemed great, exalting and life sustaining to him.
[28] The human crystals that also had to be set free again in order
to attain to the goal could be inclined to him or to Me, and during
their life they repeatedly fell into his nets. Look at paganism in
which he let himself be honored as king, and honor his polar
qualities, which also contain great wisdom, as gods.
[29] Now one will ask: Why did I allow all this? This remains
incomprehensible when one does not look at the final goal, and
that is: to freely recognize oneself in God.
[30] If it pleases a leader of a nation to live wrongly and he drags
his followers with him, what is the quickest way to reach the goal
to bring the right light to all? Indeed, when the leader of the nation
himself will give up his wrongdoings, because his followers will
quickly follow him. But by trying to turn his followers away from
him individually, just as long as he will stand alone, the goal will
be much more delayed.
[31] For Me it is always: take on the kernel, and if it cannot be
changed, then make a detour.
[32] Since during the imprisonment – think now about the image
of the king – the reproach was always made: ‘If I just could see the
king, I would believe in him’, this became the reason for My

incarnation, firstly for those who fell, and secondly to make the
deity personally visible to those who did not fall, and so to award
their faith.
[33] Herein lies the secret of My incarnation which had to break
through matter that otherwise had to become harder and harder in
case Lucifer would lose himself ever more in the hardness of his
antipode. Therefore, My incarnation made this to stop and showed
very precisely the way to be free from idol worship and the
worship of the polar qualities. And also, firstly proof had to be
given that death, by which people became attached to matter and
its pleasures, can be overcome as the highest goal that can be
reached, and secondly that life does not take place in matter but in
spirit, and that the first mentioned is only a prison for the last
mentioned.
[34] It is obvious that I prepared the most suitable country, people
and family where My offering would certainly succeed, for
otherwise Lucifer would have been able to conquer Me, and the
history of the Jewish people is an answer to the question where
this has to happen.

you still have the ability to recognize truth... that is if you shut off the emotion and investigate evidence by using cold logic to see if they are indeed facts and truth.

I can prove there is a creator by using philosophy.
but the next step is to ask yourself if the creator revealed himself to mankind.
and the to whom and when?
that would involve studying the testimonies of everyone who has claimed G-d has revealed himself to him/them.

No he is not.
The creator (better say coordinator) of our Galaxy - the Demiurge has got many duties.
Sorry not all my last laconic articles are translated into English. Yet to find who the Demiurge is and what is his place in a new tablet of spiritual elements you can find here: [link to planeta.moy.su]
Indeed this article is of 2010 and since that time I gothered huge amount of new info and even visited two ||Worlds.
Now I'm busy with writing "the practical guide to travellers in the ||Worlds".
Pardon I've not got much time for conversations.
Nevertheless soon the new science will be available in different languages. After it you can put it into your library.
Good Luck to us!
MAVR

Thanks a lot. That was a good read with a lot in it to think about. So if I have it correct the article states we will have to get away from the God of this earth to make him see he's on the wrong track?

The real god manifested as Jesus and is the solution and proof of god's existence?

There is so much more, I have to read it a second (and third, fourth, etc) time.

You are right and that is what I try to do. I don't know if I'm interested in the proof. Right now I am, but it would have loads more impact if I can get to that conclusion myself.

Thanks again, you sound like a wise man!

Your welcome. It is definitely heavy knowledge and an understanding more deeper than anything I have come across.

No problem your input is appreciated and I appreciate you already investing your spare time. Good luck on your journey and as you say: Good luck to us!

I'm interested in your ||worlds wirtings.

He was.

So what do you think reading that information. It goes even deeper from what I have found. Pretty intense knowledge and understanding from anything else I have read.

The only thing i know about jehovah is, the muffugger sho killed a bunch of niqqas fo the pettyest of shit.

Gnostics are sodomites. You will know a tree by its fruits.

The only thing i know about jehovah is, the muffugger sho killed a bunch of niqqas fo the pettyest of shit.



Read above and then make an oppinion.

you'd do better to get your gnostic info from John Lash: www.metahistory.org