Illegitimate Federal Government and the Rule of Martial Law in the United States | |
Jackinthebox (OP) User ID: 527336 United States 10/23/2008 07:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sorry for all the reposts. Don't know how that happened. Let's just use this thread for the discussion, and let the rest fall off the board. When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!" -Revelation 6:5, 6:6 |
Jackinthebox (OP) User ID: 527336 United States 10/23/2008 08:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I know it's a long read, but please take the time if you care anything about the road this country is on. Any comments would also be appreciated. When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!" -Revelation 6:5, 6:6 |
Jackinthebox (OP) User ID: 527336 United States 10/23/2008 10:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, I was hoping to get some feedback on this from the crowd over here. Better luck tomorrow I suppose. When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!" -Revelation 6:5, 6:6 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 533435 United States 10/23/2008 10:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What makes you think this government, that did build Washington DC, has ever been good? You have just overlooked the NWO within. This error makes one look elsewhere coming to the wrong conclusions and never finding the guilty within, the problem continues. |
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Jackinthebox (OP) User ID: 527336 United States 10/24/2008 03:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What makes you think this government, that did build Washington DC, has ever been good? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 533435Well, that much is certainly up for debate. Especially if one watches the "Empire of Three Cities" video, also known as the "Ring of Power." Let me see if I can find a link for it here... Ah, yes, here we go... There are a few different versions of this floating around in several parts, but it is certainly eye-opening material. In the end though, I can say with certainty, being directly descended from several key Revolutionaries, that the ideals set forth in that struggle were righteous. But it must also be admitted that the seeds to undermine those ideals were planted with along with them, most likely knowingly, by agents bent on corrupting freedom and liberty for the benefit of their masters. You have just overlooked the NWO within. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 533435Not quite. I have focused in a particular period, but I have overlooked nothing of the sort. I merely pointed out the "coming of age" for the NWO in America. Before the Civil War, the Federal government was fairly weak, as it was intended to be from the start. And Washington D.C. in particular made a grand metamorphises in "legal" terms during this period. In this piece I have focused on the Civil War era. In another piece that I have shared elsewhere, my focus was on the establishment of the Federal Reserve Bank. Those roots go back to the Civil War too, with the issuing of Greenbacks, but culminate with the bankruptcy of the nation in 1933. At that point, all that remained sovereign was offered up as collateral against the national debt to the Federal Reserve Bank. Everthing from the government itself, all of its agencies, right on down to your own personal sovereignty. If you have a Social Security number, that identity and all assets attached to it are the personal property of the privately held Federal Reserve bank. The return to slavery was made complete. This error makes one look elsewhere coming to the wrong conclusions and never finding the guilty within, the problem continues. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 533435Hmmm, it seems that perhaps you didn't bother to read the entire piece. I think I have quite clearly illustrated that there are "guilty within." What argument are you trying to make here you Anonymous Coward? When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!" -Revelation 6:5, 6:6 |
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Jackinthebox (OP) User ID: 527336 United States 10/24/2008 05:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just wanted to drop a thank-you to those who have replied, and to those who have stopped by to have a read. I look forward to more discussion. When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!" -Revelation 6:5, 6:6 |
InfiniTcell User ID: 534173 United States 10/24/2008 05:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Congress did indeed create a private corporation with the District of Columbia Organic Act, 1871. In that act, they adopted the Constitution of the United States of America as their own "United States Constitution". Then through changing of Corp. US constitution and not the Original Jurisdiction Constitution, the only officers that were elected were elected to the Corporate Capacity rather than the Original Jurisdiction Capacity. The Original Jurisdiction, Republic created by the Constitution for the United States of America was vacated as of 1913! As of 1944 this private corporation named "US Government", and "District of Columbia" and "United States" established a quit claim deed to the International Monetary Fund and World Bank. The international contract of the Bretton Woods Agreement (which would require a 2/3rds ratification by Congress if it was meant for the Original Jurisdiction Republic, but it's not, so we know the US entity being talked about in Title 22, section 286a..d is the private, corporate entity District of Columbia, because that is the only entity that could do the things being done in Bretton Woods Agreement) caused the Federal Reserve Banks to become fiscal agents of the IMF. The Federal Reserve Banks are equitable owners over all assets of Corp. US' treasury because Corp. US has been bankrupt to the Fed since 1933, and still is to this day (nat'l debt, anyone?). Since the Federal Reserve Banks are now the individual repositories and agents of the World Bank... The elements of a quit-claim deed are 1. Giver 2. Receiver 3. Some asset or right must be granted. 1. Corp. US. is the giver 2. The IMF and World Bank is the Receiver and 3. The right is the right to have the Federal Reserve Banks as their fiscal agents or "individual drawing accounts". The Bretton Woods Agreement is an INTERNATIONAL Contract, and must be ratified by 2/3rds of Congress. This didn't happen. The Bretton Woods Agreement only refers to Corp US. and creates the condition of establishment of Corp. US being owned by a foreign institution. The IMF and World Bank is owned by the Bank of International Settlements, which Banks is owned by the British Royal Crown. So, the "US Government" is quite a foreign, private corporation, indeed. However, through learning and applying the law, the American people can properly hold elections for the Original Jurisdiction Republic. When that government is reseated, the original jurisdiction United States of America Military will then be under the command of the President of the United States of America rather than private, foreign Corp. US. OP, I highly urge you to read all of Team Law's material. It's a good start to learning how and applying oneself as a Sovereign who exerts control over all corporate systems to the advantage of all. These corporate systems are lawful, in the extent that they are organized and do behave according to some rule and structure. They must be this way because without this inherent order and structure, the organization would quickly collapse upon itself in chaos and discord (though that's what it seems to be doing now). My experience has been very good in interfacing with this Corp. US system. I have done the work and set forth evidences which secure my nature in relationship to them. Most people do not have evidences as such and cannot claim any position or superiority or separation for they do not have the knowledge or evidences to show such a thing exists. When one can secure EVIDENCE admissible to any court's records, and stand as true, unassailable and irrefutable, it will protect any human being the way the very hand of the Infinite does so, for it is one and the same. Please feel free to ask any questions. My treatment of this topic is way incomplete, as it would take far more discourse to explain all of this. again, check out teamlaw.org |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 376019 United States 10/24/2008 05:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you for posting.. It is very interesting if you read the 13th amendment, 14th ,15th, and 16th amendments they basically create a brand new government. New citizens / subjects are made in 14th sec.1 The new voting system was 14th amendment section 2. Can only vote if you accept to be a UScitizen Sec.4 UScitizens cannot question the debt their "new" government will run up. |
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Jackinthebox (OP) User ID: 527336 United States 10/24/2008 06:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey, OP, good work so far. There's a lot more to the story however... Quoting: InfiniTcellThanks, that's appreciated. There is indeed a lot more to the story. Even as long-winded as my piece is, I have intended it to be more of an introduction to this material than "all inclusive," which would amount to an entire book at the very least. Instead, I hoped that by putting out this piece that I would stoke conversation, interest, and further research. The link you provided, I am indeed familiar with. There is some good material there, but some of it has been shown to stand on "shaky ground" in past discussions I have had. Excellent material to review nonetheless. When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!" -Revelation 6:5, 6:6 |
Jackinthebox (OP) User ID: 527336 United States 10/24/2008 06:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is very interesting if you read the 13th amendment, 14th ,15th, and 16th amendments they basically create a brand new government. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 376019Indeed, quite curious to say the least. When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!" -Revelation 6:5, 6:6 |
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Jackinthebox (OP) User ID: 527336 United States 10/24/2008 06:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Reply to: Anonymous Coward, User ID: 525558 Quite a compelling case you've made there. When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!" -Revelation 6:5, 6:6 |
Jackinthebox (OP) User ID: 527336 United States 10/24/2008 08:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...who know will not say...does not mean they have not noticed...but they have maybe even already been noticed AS WELL- Quoting: sunshine posse 287857When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!" -Revelation 6:5, 6:6 |
Jackinthebox (OP) User ID: 527336 United States 10/24/2008 09:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well folks, another day done. Figured I'd nudge this one more time before I go off to find a place to sleep for the night. Cheers! When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!" -Revelation 6:5, 6:6 |
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Jackinthebox (OP) User ID: 527336 United States 10/25/2008 03:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, what is shaky? I'd be happy to discuss any standpoint as a matter of Law. Quoting: InfiniTcellTo be perfectly honest, I don't recall at this point. I only remember that in a discussion I was a part of months ago, some of the content was effectively put into doubt. However, that still does not negate the entire premise. In the end, I think it is the comlexity of law today that has gotten us into the predicament we face. There is no need for all these different "interpretations" and revisions. Certainly not to the degree that we see today. The Constitution is pretty clear and straightforward, yet even our own Supreme Court has managed to twist the meanings so effectively, that they have the people believing that certain phrases can actually mean the direct opposite of their intended meaning as it was worded. Take subway bag searched for example. One could argue all they want that such measures may be necessary, but you are never going to convince me that it is Constitutional, even though the Supreme Court has ruled that it does not violate the Constitution. When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!" -Revelation 6:5, 6:6 |
Jackinthebox (OP) User ID: 527336 United States 10/25/2008 04:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | FOR LIBERTY! When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!" -Revelation 6:5, 6:6 |
Jackinthebox (OP) User ID: 527336 United States 10/26/2008 03:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I find it curious that a serious topic such as this garners so little attention, while some rather silly threads wind up with page after page of mindless discussion. When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!" -Revelation 6:5, 6:6 |
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Bean There User ID: 527802 United States 10/26/2008 04:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I find it curious that a serious topic such as this garners so little attention, while some rather silly threads wind up with page after page of mindless discussion. Quoting: JackintheboxMany folks don't think too much in this particular zoo. As for the silly threads, there is a forum information control tactic where crap is bumped to force better threads down in rank. I have forgotten the various tactics by name. Was a thread here on it a while back. For serious discussion, seldom here. I have never been able to generate much of any response concerning the origin of the Constitution in Law. Simply put, it was a Trust instrument. In fact, that is all it could possibly be, given the circumstances of the time and the English Common Law under which the document was fashioned. Search the Constitution for the term of art "Office of Trust or Profit". Then think about what that means. That CONgress set up a corporation to manage Trust Property is perfectly legitimate. Unfortunately they have breached the Trust and abdicated their position of Fiduciary Responsibility to the Posterity. The States have followed suit, pretty much abandoning their own Sovereignty and dragging the populace down with them. |
Jackinthebox (OP) User ID: 527336 United States 10/26/2008 04:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That CONgress set up a corporation to manage Trust Property is perfectly legitimate. Quoting: Bean There 527802That much may be true, but that does not legitimize the government installed under tenets of martial law. But even there, substantial debate can be had considering that declaring martial law is within the power of the Executive, as is calling for Congrerssional convention. But can he force Congress to act even when they have not met their own quroum? According to the Constitution, he cannot, but that is exactly what happened. Unfortunately they have breached the Trust and abdicated their position of Fiduciary Responsibility to the Posterity. The States have followed suit, pretty much abandoning their own Sovereignty and dragging the populace down with them. Quoting: Bean There 527802The violation of trust and the spirit of the Constitution seems quite clear to anyone who wants to see it. It's hard not to really. The last shreds of sovereignty that remained in this country were put up as collateral against the national debt when we became insolvent in 1933. In other words, we sold our sovereignty to the Federal Reserve bank. And not just the Federal government, but State, local, and right on down to the individual identity of the private person. If you have a Social Security number, that identity, and any assests associated with it, are privately owned by the Fed Bank, being held as collateral against the perpetual national debt of this insolvent nation. (And to those who may not be aware, the Federal Reserve Bank is not a government agency. It is a private company. No more Federal than FedEx.) When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!" -Revelation 6:5, 6:6 |
Jackinthebox (OP) User ID: 527336 United States 10/26/2008 05:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!" -Revelation 6:5, 6:6 |
Ghost Avatar User ID: 535003 United States 10/26/2008 05:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you have a Social Security number, that identity, and any assets associated with it, are privately owned, being held as collateral against the perpetual national debt of this insolvent nation.---- The Inversion of the American Public into nothing more then Collateral Puppets of commerce, must be regarded as the single greatest Con ever Instituted as a means to an end. Not that I disagree with the succinct conclusions, of what it accomplished, or even how, fact is, it was done. Slick as proverbial elephant snot, is the kindest thing one can say about the accomplishment itself. To wage a war upon peoples minds so deeply as to actually control the very process of MIND itself. This was no minor thing. This took time and effort and a whole lot of hi-tech to make it all seem so real. People of the lower class are already slaves and have been for a long time now. What kind of class slave are you? Citizen class... of course. No Constitution, no matter how Worthy its Aims and Ideals, can allow whole-sale lies and deprivations to forcefully bushwhack the Populace and Render them into unwitting slaves. Yet, therein lies the problem. People want to believe there is Rule of LAW, accountable to all, which draws forth Justice just like a proverbial Sword, to smote the Wicked and promote the general welfare, to an honest end. That however, is NOT our system, BUT sold as IF it was indeed and Enforced, as needed, to ensure the real goals are reached. Keep the Slaves from knowing, why they are Slaves and how they became Slaves by the very laws they were EDUCATED to believe and OBEY. Do you Obey the Law? WHY? The Constitution is a foundation for the Laws which operate the governments... not the sovereign people. Well, they (at least some of us having such direct ancestors at least) were sovereign until they lost not only the Ideal but the very meaning itself. perhaps, due to the fact they never believed or even knew how to think as such people. The truth is the U.S. government, as it now stands, is a Farce, a Contrivance, a useful idiot, a means to control, negate, demand and deprive all the 'people' in one nasty package. Armed to the teeth for the day the peons rebel. And they will. No choice. Either Peons, ER people rebel or face the grim reality of being violently voided of life. That which declares it will tell you what to do and why, has already demonstrated it is your Master. Since when does the servant of the People, declare war on the very foundation upon which it must exist? Since, that is indeed the case, it is no wonder this thing that calls itself the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, just like a dead-thing aka corporation, ACTS like a Corporation which has NO obligation to the serfs it MANAGES just like sheeple, is absolutely corrupted with powers no SOVEREIGN People can give 'Them" the 'officials' as civil servants in the first place. So who gave them such powers, is clearly the MASTER of them. The Original constitution, which ended at the original 13th, now ignored as if it never even existed, did not GIVE the federal pigs the powers of enslavement, but IT did not STOP the even bigger-war pigs, from engaging in a hostile take-over, which in turn replaced the Peaceful version with the Never-ending war version. The war POWERS made the more visceral martial Law, guns in the face---, unnecessary so long as the people did and still DO as they are told. Pay your taxes, thus work till death and procreate more slaves. The basic creed of US slaves in a nutshell... but of course you are at liberty to move about and conduct yourselves to your own ends, so long as you Obey. Does not the very essence of martial Law, demand war as a means of social control, as a claim to Authority, against the population at large? Yes it does. Just ask your Unitary executive as Commander-In-Cheif... how that war power is work'in for 'em. For him the Pretense of even following the 'corporate' version of the Constitution, is barely tolerable, as he clearly knows just how much BS it all really is... or he wouldn't be there in the WHITE HOUSE to smirk, posture and swagger his sorry ass from one day to the next. Nothing but a God-damned piece of paper... And he is of course quite right... but for the wrong reason. In his hand it is a worthless piece of paper. Just like him. When People raise themselves to such an extent that they are like doves over the heads of these snakes, maybe then they will understand why such a simple truth says it all. |
Jackinthebox (OP) User ID: 527336 United States 10/26/2008 06:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Inversion of the American Public into nothing more then Collateral Puppets of commerce, must be regarded as the single greatest Con ever Instituted as a means to an end... Quoting: Ghost Avatar 535003A most excellent post. You seem to have a firm grasp of the knowledege from which my piece was drawn. Read and awaken ye sheep-people! When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!" -Revelation 6:5, 6:6 |
Bean There User ID: 527802 United States 10/26/2008 06:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Inversion of the American Public into nothing more then Collateral Puppets of commerce, must be regarded as the single greatest Con ever Instituted as a means to an end... Quoting: JackintheboxA most excellent post. You seem to have a firm grasp of the knowledege from which my piece was drawn. Read and awaken ye sheep-people! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 376019 United States 10/26/2008 11:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you have a Social Security number, that identity, and any assets associated with it, are privately owned, being held as collateral against the perpetual national debt of this insolvent nation.---- Quoting: Ghost Avatar 535003aaaaannnnnndddddd.... BINGO was his name-o |