WILL OBAMA BE PRESIDENT? Hawaii Hospitals no record of birth | |
Eileen (OP) User ID: 395434 United States 12/04/2008 02:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some of what I had in the subject post was cut off again. Go the the subject post and click on the API link. Scroll down on the left side. There you will see that the Michelle Obama tape is going to be released before the Electoral College votes. Those who are interested in this tape need to keep a watchful eye on the API link. When API is ready to release the tape, all interested parties will have instructions to follow. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 565621 United States 12/04/2008 02:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 531633 United States 12/04/2008 02:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 454845 United States 12/04/2008 02:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some of what I had in the subject post was cut off again. Quoting: Eileen 395434Go the the subject post and click on the API link. Scroll down on the left side. There you will see that the Michelle Obama tape is going to be released before the Electoral College votes. Those who are interested in this tape need to keep a watchful eye on the API link. When API is ready to release the tape, all interested parties will have instructions to follow. you must be the only idiot still following the API hoax. |
TomGuadalupe User ID: 559040 United States 12/04/2008 02:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ok so what, i believe the constitution is what states a person must be a natural born citizen. Since we have been shitting on the constitution for the past 8 years while the OP has been silent why make a big deal out of it now? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 549836 United States 12/04/2008 02:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Even though Obama is president and that is not going to change lets just say for the sake of argument that he was not born here. Quoting: TomGuadalupe 559040Ok so what, i believe the constitution is what states a person must be a natural born citizen. Since we have been shitting on the constitution for the past 8 years while the OP has been silent why make a big deal out of it now? How do you know the OP has remained silent? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7315 United States 12/04/2008 02:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 549836 United States 12/04/2008 02:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 531633 United States 12/04/2008 02:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 395434 United States 12/04/2008 04:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyone who doesn't support Obama is unamerican. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7315It's not just the question of where he was born. There are a host of other issues. Obama is too connected to questionable characters. He is suspiciously connected to socialism and/or Marxism. This "unamerican" statement in the quote is absurd. Because of that one word, it strikes me that you must have come out of one of those dumbed down public schools. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 395434 United States 12/04/2008 04:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 531633 United States 12/04/2008 04:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Spy vs Spy User ID: 563996 United States 12/04/2008 04:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7315 United States 12/04/2008 04:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 395434 United States 12/04/2008 04:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some of what I had in the subject post was cut off again. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 454845Go the the subject post and click on the API link. Scroll down on the left side. There you will see that the Michelle Obama tape is going to be released before the Electoral College votes. Those who are interested in this tape need to keep a watchful eye on the API link. When API is ready to release the tape, all interested parties will have instructions to follow. you must be the only idiot still following the API hoax. Yes, that's me. If I'm an idiot, so be it. I like to follow subjects to their conclusion. You know, I think for sure the Democrats want us to believe it is a hoax. Frankly, I really don't know. What would be the purpose of having these tapes be a hoax? I'm going to stay with the subject a while longer. I don't know the reason API would want to cause a hoax. Actually, I'm more interested in the Imam document from the Kenyan Mosque. If it is indeed true that he has this document, it sounds like it could be similar to a Christian Baptism Certificate. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 559040 United States 12/04/2008 04:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, that's me. If I'm an idiot, so be it. I like to follow subjects to their conclusion. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 395434You know, I think for sure the Democrats want us to believe it is a hoax. Frankly, I really don't know. What would be the purpose of having these tapes be a hoax? I'm going to stay with the subject a while longer. I don't know the reason API would want to cause a hoax. Actually, I'm more interested in the Imam document from the Kenyan Mosque. If it is indeed true that he has this document, it sounds like it could be similar to a Christian Baptism Certificate. See what i dont understand is if this is not a hoax then why are republicans not all over this? Why has Mccain said nothing? Why dont i hear about it on Fox news? You know why just admit it to yourself. So whats your answer, and the election to Palin? Have another election? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 565689 United States 12/04/2008 04:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Communist Dr. Ann Dunham went to Kenya and adopted a boy of well placed elite Barack Hussein Obama Sr. She brought Barack back to Hawaii and registered his birth. Barack was raised and educated by the communist around Dr. Dunham including Frank Marshall Davis who mentored Barack in the ways of communist revolution including hatred of religion, especially Christianity and the Bible, feminism, affirmative action, globalisation and socialism. After fininshing his formal education Barack joined the Marxist New Party and the Chicago Socialist Party who organize his election helped along whith those in high places and bankers who had arranged for his African adoption. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 531633 United States 12/04/2008 04:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Communist Dr. Ann Dunham went to Kenya and adopted a boy of well placed elite Barack Hussein Obama Sr. She brought Barack back to Hawaii and registered his birth. Barack was raised and educated by the communist around Dr. Dunham including Frank Marshall Davis who mentored Barack in the ways of communist revolution including hatred of religion, especially Christianity and the Bible, feminism, affirmative action, globalisation and socialism. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 565689After fininshing his formal education Barack joined the Marxist New Party and the Chicago Socialist Party who organize his election helped along whith those in high places and bankers who had arranged for his African adoption. Bahahahahaha |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 361147 Netherlands 12/04/2008 04:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 553433 United States 12/04/2008 04:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
II-Neutron User ID: 564401 Canada 12/04/2008 04:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hawaii Hospitals no record of birth - Hawaii Hospitals no record of birth - Hawaii Hospitals no record of birth - Hawaii Hospitals no record of birth - Hawaii Hospitals no record of birth - Hawaii Hospitals no record of birth - Hawaii Hospitals no record of birth - Hawaii Hospitals no record of birth - Hawaii Hospitals no record of birth - Hawaii Hospitals no record of birth - Hawaii Hospitals no record of birth - Hawaii Hospitals no record of birth - Hawaii Hospitals no record of birth - Hawaii Hospitals no record of birth - Hawaii Hospitals no record of birth - Hawaii Hospitals no record of birth - Hawaii Hospitals no record of birth - Hawaii Hospitals no record of birth - Hawaii Hospitals no record of birth - Hawaii Hospitals no record of birth - Hawaii Hospitals no record of birth - Hawaii Hospitals no record of birth - Hawaii Hospitals no record of birth - Hawaii Hospitals no record of birth - Ok now that this thread is brought back online think about it people his birth is a real issue and it is becoming clear there is a reason why him and his handlers will not address the matter. What that reason is many would like to know and not only like, the American people have the right to ask their servants that which they require in order to determine that they are fit to serve them. [email protected] By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. Hebrews: 11 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 559040 United States 12/04/2008 06:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ok now that this thread is brought back online think about it people his birth is a real issue and it is becoming clear there is a reason why him and his handlers will not address the matter. Quoting: II-NeutronThen why do we only hear and read about it on GLP and other forums and not on CSPAN mainstream etc.. Why do mainline republicans not bring this silly shit up? Im not hearing much from Mccain regarding the subject. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 395434 United States 12/04/2008 07:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ok now that this thread is brought back online think about it people his birth is a real issue and it is becoming clear there is a reason why him and his handlers will not address the matter. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 559040Then why do we only hear and read about it on GLP and other forums and not on CSPAN mainstream etc.. Why do mainline republicans not bring this silly shit up? Im not hearing much from Mccain regarding the subject. I think that the news people have to follow the orders/directions of their employer ... most of whom are devout liberals. Yes, I would like to know why the Republican senators and Congressmen have not brought it up. WHY??? GOOD QUESTION! I have heard some of them sort of mumble about it on the side. Perhaps they are just waiting for the Courts and the Electoral College to do their job. ... Or they know that the dye was cast many moons ago. Remember the Democratic debates? Wasn't it obvious to all of us that Obama and Hillary were being singled out and focused on to the exclusion of others ... WHEN THERE WERE FAR. FAR, FAR, FAR MORE EXPERIENCED POLITICIANS ON THE STAGE? It seems to me that the dye had already been cast. Remember the Republican debates? Again the most experienced politicians and the ones that made the most sense were cast aside. In fact, if they could have slapped handcuffs on Ron Paul and dragged him off the stage ... THEY WOULD HAVE DONE THAT. It seems to me that the dye had already been cast. IT ALSO SEEMS TO ME THAT SEN. MCCAIN FOUGHT SO HARD FOR THE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINATION ... so he could purposely hand it lock, stock and barrel over to Obama. I THINK THE DYE HAD ALREADY BEEN CAST. DON'T YOU? WHY? THE VETTING FOR OBAMA WAS DONE BY WHOM??? ... Or didn't anyone care? ... Or is this now the beginning of NWO leaders that can be born anywhere and govern anywhere? P.S. Have you heard that Fox's reporters have not been invited to Obama's News Conferences? Why? Why is Obama having those presidential news conferences with the flags when he is not OFFICIALLY the president. Has the dye been cast no matter what? |
georgebushworstprezever User ID: 565924 United States 12/04/2008 10:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 565938 United States 12/04/2008 10:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 265661 United States 12/04/2008 10:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 395434 United States 12/04/2008 10:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A CONSTITUTIONAL LAWYER HAS SOME INTERESTING THINGS TO SAY ON THIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE TOPIC. We would all do well to listen, because this subject is not going to go away until answers are forthcoming. ********************************* [link to www.africanpress.in] Interview with Edwin Vieira, Constitutional Lawyer, discussing Obama’s Birth Certificate By John P. Connolly, The Bulletin 12/01/2008 Controversy continues to surround President-elect Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as president, and a case involving his birth certificate waits for its day before the U.S. Supreme Court. A constitutional lawyer said were it to be discovered that Mr. Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen, it would have grave consequences for the nation. According to the Constitution, a president must be a natural born citizen of the U.S. Mr. Obama's critics have failed to force him legally to produce his original birth certificate, and Mr. Obama has resisted any attempt to make him do so. Currently, only Hawaii Department of Health officials have access to Mr. Obama's original records. Some of Mr. Obama's critics have said he was born in Kenya and have claimed he is a citizen of Kenya, Indonesia, or even a British subject. Edwin Vieira, a constitutional lawyer who has practiced for 30 years and holds four degrees from Harvard, said if it were to be discovered Mr. Obama were not eligible for the presidency, it would cause many problems. They would be compounded if his ineligibility were discovered after he had been in office for a period of time. "Let's assume he wasn't born in the U.S.," Mr. Vieira told The Bulletin. "What's the consequence? He will not be eligible. That means he cannot be elected validly. The people and the Electoral College cannot overcome this and the House of Representatives can't make him president. So what's the next step? He takes the oath of office, and assuming he's aware he's not a citizen, then it's a perjured oath." Any appointments made by an ineligible president would have to be recalled, and their decisions would be invalidated. "He may have nominated people to different positions; he may have nominated people to the judicial branch, who may have been confirmed, they may have gone out on xecutive duty and done various things," said Mr. Vieira. "The people that he's put into the judicial branch may have decided cases, and all of that needs to be unzipped." Mr. Vieira said Obama supporters should be the ones concerned about the case, because Mr. Obama's platform would be discredited it he were forced to step down from the presidency later due to his ineligibility, were it to be discovered. "Let's say we go a year into this process, and it all turns out to be a flim-flam," said Mr. Vieira. "What's the nation's reaction to that? What's going to be the reaction in the next U.S. election? God knows. It has almost revolutionary consequences, if you think about it." Mr. Vieira said Mr. Obama's continued silence and avoidance in the release of his birth certificate is an ethical issue because of the dire consequences that could be caused by a possible constitutional crisis. "If he were my client and this question came up in civil litigation, if there was some reason that his birth status was relevant and the other side wanted him to produce the thing and he said 'no,' I would tell him, 'you have about 15 minutes to produce it or sign the papers necessary to produce the document, or I'm resigning as your attorney," said Mr. Vieira. "I don't think any ethical attorney would go ahead on the basis that his client could produce an objective document in civil litigation [and refused to do so]." Further, Mr. Vieira cited a fraud ruling in a 1977 case called U.S. v. Prudden, which he feels applies in this case. "Silence can only be equated with fraud when there is a legal and moral duty to speak or when an inquiry left unanswered would be intentionally misleading," the ruling reads. "We cannot condone this shocking conduct ... If that is the case we hope our message is clear. This sort of deception will not be tolerated and if this is routine it should be corrected immediately." Mr. Vieira said such an ethical question of representing a client who refused to produce such a basic document is important, even in a small civil case. The current question is concerning the man who potentially could have his finger next to the nuclear button. "[The birth certificate], in theory, should be there," said Mr. Vieira. "What if it isn't? Who knows, aside from Mr. Obama? Does Russian intelligence know it isn't there? Does Chinese intelligence know it isn't there? Does the CIA know that it isn't there? Who is in a position to blackmail this fellow?" Mr. Vieira explained all laws have to be submitted to the president. In the event that there is no valid president, then no laws passed by Congress in that administration would be legally null and void. Because of that, this case will probably not go away, even after Mr. Obama takes the oath of office. "If you don't produce it, you think it's going to go away," he said. "There are all these cases challenging Mr. Obama, and some challenging secretaries of state, and they run into this doctrine called standing." Mr. Vieira explained although legal standing is difficult to get around in Federal courts, the document could be produced in any criminal cases stemming from legislation passed in the Obama administration. "Let's assume that an Obama administration passes some of these controversial pieces of legislation he has been promising to go for, like the FOCA (Freedom of Choice) Act," said Mr. Vieira. "I would assume that some of those surely will have some severe civil or criminal penalties attached to them for violation. You are now the criminal defendant under this statute, which was passed by an Obama Congress and signed by President Obama. Your defense is that is not a statute because Mr. Obama is not the president. You now have a right and I have never heard this challenged, to subpoena in a criminal case, anyone who has relevant evidence relating to your defenses. And you can subpoena them duces tecum, meaning 'you shall bring with you the documents.' " Such a criminal defense would enable the defendant to subpoena any person to testify in court and any person to bring evidence in their possession to the court. Further, records could be subpoenaed directly, in the case of a birth certificate. Once the record could be subpoenaed, the birth certificate could be examined by forensic experts, who would then be able to testify to the document's veracity as expert witnesses. Any movement by the judges to make a special exception to the president in a criminal case would hurt the legitimacy of that presidential administration. "I can't believe I'm the only lawyer who would think of this," said Mr. Vieira. "I think any criminal lawyer defending against one of these politically charged statutes is going to come up with this. That means it will never go away until that document is laid down on the table and people say, 'yes, there it is.' And therefore they're caught. If people keep challenging this and the judges out of fear keep saying 'no, go to jail, go to jail, go to jail' then that's the end of the Obama administration's legitimacy. On the other hand if they open the file and it's not there, then that's really the end of the administration's legitimacy." Several court cases in the birth certificate controversy are waiting admission to the Supreme Court. A gathering of judges will meet on Dec. 5 to decide whether or not to hear a case from New Jersey, and a decision is still pending on a case from a lawyer in Pennsylvania. Should four of the judges vote to hear the case in the Dec. 5 meeting, then it will be scheduled for hearings. Court cases from Connecticut and New York have also applied for hearings at the U.S. Supreme Court. John P. Connolly can be reached at [email protected] LINK: [link to www.thebulletin.us] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 530832 United States 12/04/2008 10:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
sherry User ID: 431562 United States 12/04/2008 11:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Even though Obama is president and that is not going to change lets just say for the sake of argument that he was not born here. Quoting: TomGuadalupe 559040Ok so what, i believe the constitution is what states a person must be a natural born citizen. Since we have been shitting on the constitution for the past 8 years while the OP has been silent why make a big deal out of it now? I mean, compared to the torture and disdain heaped upon that sacred document over the last eight years "just a piece of paper George Bush, let me remind you" I don't give a rats ass where our President elect was born. Mars would be fine, he's a real American and our current ruler is not. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 395434 United States 12/04/2008 11:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Even though Obama is president and that is not going to change lets just say for the sake of argument that he was not born here. Quoting: sherry 431562Ok so what, i believe the constitution is what states a person must be a natural born citizen. Since we have been shitting on the constitution for the past 8 years while the OP has been silent why make a big deal out of it now? I mean, compared to the torture and disdain heaped upon that sacred document over the last eight years "just a piece of paper George Bush, let me remind you" I don't give a rats ass where our President elect was born. Mars would be fine, he's a real American and our current ruler is not. Been hitting the sherry again, Sherry? |