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IS ROMAN CATHOLICISM CHRISTIAN?

 
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IS ROMAN CATHOLICISM CHRISTIAN?
Practically all precepts of the Roman Catholic "Church" contradict the Bible. This will be demonstrated later in the text of this article.

The atrocities committed by the Roman Catholicism are numerous. During the Inquisition and the Crusades, the Roman Catholic "Church" murdered millions primarily to crush opposition to the pope. Catholic Inquisitors imprisoned, tortured, crippled, and burned millions of people.

"Baptismal regeneration" and "infant baptism"... have, according to the testimony of well-established history, caused the shedding of more Christian blood, as the centuries have gone by, than all other errors combined.... Over 50,000,000 Christians died martyr deaths, mainly because of their rejection of these two errors during the period of the "Dark Ages" alone--about twelve or thirteen centuries....If 50,000,000 died of persecution during the 1,200 years of what are called the "Dark Ages," as history seems positively to teach--then they died faster than an average of four million every one hundred years. That seems almost beyond the limit of, human conception. (The Trail of Blood by J. M. Carroll)

This fact in itīs self is evidence enough to prove that the Roman Catholic "Church" is not Christian. The Bible says, "For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh. (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds)." (2 Cor 10:3-4). Christians "wrestle not against flesh and blood" and our only offensive weapon is "the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God" (Eph 6:12, 17). Christians persuade folks to salvation not with fire and torture, but through reasoning with them out of the Word of God. In Matthew 20:25-28 the Lord Jesus said, "...Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister; And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many."

Popes do not obey this Biblical principal, nor has Romanism ever given a satisfactory apology for the gross atrocities committed in the name of the Pope. The Roman Catholic "Church" is the most murderous and bloodthirsty organization that has ever existed. Itīs wrath is especially focused toward those who believe and obey the Word of God.

The Roman Catholic Church has never been the true church. It began (313 AD) almost 300 years to late to be the true church of Christ . It started with the Roman Emperor Constintine who saw a vision and "converted" to "Christendom". He had his army run through a river and declared that baptism and them Christians, married his new church with the state, brought in idolatry, persecuted the real Christians and believed in baptismal regeneration. Romanism has been corrupt from itīs inception.

There are at least four major reasons that we know that the Roman Catholic Church is not Christīs Church:

1. Wrong doctrinal teachings.

2. Wrong origin.

3. Wrong methods of gaining converts.

4. It is identified in Scripture and an imposter.


ROMAN CATHOLIC TRADITION
COMPARED WITH THE BIBLE:

The Catholic tradition is listed first, and then what the Bible has to say about the subject.

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CATHOLIC TRADITION - Mary never had other children after the Lord Jesus. A perpetual virgin.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - Mary and Joseph indeed had children. They were the Lordīs half brothers and sisters for their father was Joseph and mother was Mary.

Matthew 13:55-56 - Is not this the carpenterīs son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? 56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?

Mark 6:3 - Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.

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CATHOLIC TRADITION - Mary is the queen of heaven.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - Worshipping the queen of heaven (which is not the Mary of the Bible) is worshipping another god and it provokes the Lord to anger.

Jeremiah 7:17-19 - Seest thou not what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem? 18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger. 19 Do they provoke me to anger? saith the LORD: do they not provoke themselves to the confusion of their own faces?

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CATHOLIC TRADITION - Mary is the mother of God.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - Mary is the mother of the earthly Jesus, not God. Jesus pre- existed from everlasting as God (see John 1:1). When He came to redeem mankind, He laid aside His glory and was made like unto sinful man so that He could take our punishment (Hebrew 2:9). God has no mother. He has lived from everlasting which means He had no beginning.

Isaiah 43:10 - Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. [If Mary gave birth to God, sheīd be God.]

Psalm 93:2 - Thy throne is established of old: thou art from everlasting.

Micah 5:2 - But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler [Jesus] in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Philippians 2:6-7 - Who [Jesus], being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

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CATHOLIC TRADITION - The mass. Through transubstantiation, the wafer/host and the wine supposedly become the actual blood and body of Jesus Christ when the priest prays over them.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - Jesus died once for sins, never to be repeated. He sits on the right hand of God and does not reappear in the mass as a mass of blood and flesh.

Hebrews 10:12-18 - But this man [Jesus], after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, 16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; 17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. 18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

1 Corinthians 11:24 - And when he [Jesus] had given thanks, he brake it [bread], and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. 25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. 26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lordīs death till he come (not for the forgiveness of sins or to receive Jesus).

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CATHOLIC TRADITION - Saved, in part, by good works.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - Good works are the fruits that grow out of being saved. They do not make you saved. An apple does not make its tree an apple tree, it was already an apple tree before any apples appeared. When you see the apples; however, you know what kind of tree it is. If a person is saved, he will shew forth good works because he has the spirit of Christ in him. The good works donīt make him saved only the blood of Jesus can do that.

I John 1:7b - ...the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Acts 16:31b - ...believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.

Romans 3:24-28 - Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

What about James 2:20 "faith without works is dead"?

The kind of faith that saves is a faith that shows forth the works of God. Even devils believe in Jesus and tremble (James 2:19). Many people believe in Jesus but they wonīt follow Him. They have a faith, but not the kind that saves. If a person has true faith in Jesus, the Holy Ghost dwells in him and will cause good works will show forth in his life. The good works confirm the faith by which the person was saved. James 2:21-23 uses Abraham as an example. Abraham believed God so when God asked him to sacrifice his son Isaac, Abraham, out of his faith in God, offered up Isaac.

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CATHOLIC TRADITION - Call priests father, e.g., Father McKinley.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS -

Matthew 23:9 - And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

* * * *

CATHOLIC TRADITION - Forbidding the priesthood to marry.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS -

1) It is devilish to forbid Godīs people to marry when He has given marriage to be received with thanksgiving.

1 Timothy 4:1-3 - Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

2) Peter was married (remember the pope is supposedly continuing the apostolic line through Peter).

Matthew 8:14 - And when Jesus was come into Peterīs house, he saw his wifeīs mother laid, and sick of a fever.

Mark 1:30 - But Simonīs wifeīs mother lay sick of a fever, and anon they tell him of her.

Luke 4:38 And he arose out of the synagogue, and entered into Simonīs house. And Simonīs wifeīs mother was taken with a great fever; and they besought him for her.

3) Paul, a great apostle, remained single; however he made it very clear that he could marry if he wanted to.

1 Corinthians 9:5 - Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?

* * * *

CATHOLIC TRADITION - Pope called Holy Father.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - The term Holy Father is only found one time in the entire Bible. It was when Jesus prayed before He and His disciples went to the garden of Gethsemane. He referred to God the Father as Holy Father. It is blasphemy to call a man by Godīs name

John 17:11 - And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

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CATHOLIC TRADITION - Purgatory, nuns, popes.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - None of these is mentioned in the Bible. It is a sin to add to the Bible.

Proverbs 30:6 - Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

The pope is a man who takes upon himself honor which belongs to no human being. Even the very name by which he allows himself to be called (Holy Father) is highly presumptuous and blasphemous (see above).

One does not need the pope to determine what Godīs will is. The Bible says that God has given the Holy Ghost to each believer and that He (the Holy Ghost) guides and leads us into all truth. All a believer needs is the Bible and the Holy Ghost to know the will of the Lord. Popery has been treacherous, but worse, each pope has been the blind leading the blind. Jesus said that both will fall into the ditch. Catholics, come out of this system that cannot save and know Jesus for youself, intimate and up-close.

NOTE: Purgatory is supposedly a place where a person is purified of sins--even popes supposedly go there. The Bible says that Jesus Christ is the one that purifies us of our sins. Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus.... When a person dies their eternal home is sealed--heaven or hell--no in between. Hebrews 9:27 ...it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.

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CATHOLIC TRADITION - Venerating/worshipping images. Pope bows to statues of Mary, people worship the eucharist and have statues/candles in their homes and churches.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - It is idolatry to venerate images. We are not even supposed to make them.

Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God...

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CATHOLIC TRADITION - The church is founded on Peter.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - Jesus Christ is the foundation of the church. Peter was a man like you and me. Jesus called Peter Satan in Matthew 16:23 when Peter rebuked Jesus dying. When Cornelius tried to worship Peter, Peter responded, "Stand up; I myself also am a man." (Acts 10:26). The pope needs to remember Acts 10:26 when he has men bowing to him and kissing his hand like he is worthy of worship.

1 Corinthians 3:11 - For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Matthew 21:42 - Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected [Jesus], the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lordīs doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

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CATHOLIC TRADITION - Confessing sins to a priest. Petitioning saints and Mary.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - We are to confess our sins and needs to God alone.

I John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, he [God] is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Matthew 6:9, 12 - After this manner...pray ye: Our Father... forgive us....

1 Timothy 2:5 - For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus [not Mary, not saints, not priests, not the pope];

I John 2:1 - ...And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

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There are many other Scriptures that could have been used here to testify against the doctrines of the Catholic religion. There are also many other doctrines of the Catholic religion which could have been refuted (e.g. the sacraments, receiving the Holy Ghost, salvation through the catholic religion, penance, rosary, etc.).

(From The Roman Catholic "Church" is Not Christian at
[link to www.jesus-is-lord.com]

(The spirit of antichrist is in every institution that does not follow the teachings of Scripture. Please keep this in mind when you read about the antichrist coming out of any body of religion or politicals, and as you will see from these blasphemous statements that follow, the RCC is no exception. de~).

IS THERE AN ANTICHRIST IN THE VATICAN ?

"ANīTI, n. [Gr. See Ante.] ...in place of." -- Websterīs 1828 Dictionary

Antichrist: In place of Christ...

"We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty." --POPE LEO XIII

"VICīAR, n. [L. vicarius, from vicis] ...a substitute in office." -- Websterīs 1828 Dictionary

Vicar of Christ: A substitute Christ...

"For the Roman pontiff (pope), by reason of his office as VICAR OF CHRIST, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal POWER over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise UNHINDERED." --CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, 1994, P. 234 #882

"I am able to do almost all that God can do. What therefore, can you make of me but God? " --POPE BONIFACE VIII, BULL UNUN SANCTUM, 1302

"...the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God." -- 2 Thessalonians 2:2-4

"...and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is." -- Revelation 17:8

"And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies..." -- Revelation 13:4-5

"...I have the AUTHORITY of the King of kings. I am all in all and above all, so that God, Himself and I, The Vicar of God, have but one consistory..." -- POPE BONIFACE VIII, BULL UNUN SANCTUM, 1302

"... and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority." -- Revelation 13:2

"We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty." --POPE LEO XIII

"...I will be like the most High." -- LUCIFER, ISAIAH 14:14

"I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another..." -- Isaiah 42:8

"...We declare, state and define that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of all human beings that they submit to the Roman Pontiff." --POPE BONIFACE VIII, BULL UNUN SANCTUM, 1302

"Neither is there salvation in any other [than Jesus]: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." -- Acts 4:12

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. -- 1 Timothy 2:5

(From "Is There An Antichrist In The Vatican?" at [link to www.jesus-is-lord.com]

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Capt. Kirk
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
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...no, thatīs why i left it...found a Spirit filled church instead...had an epipheny if you will...
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Caridnal Ratzinger and SALVATION

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ARE BELIEVERS OF OTHER RELIGIONS SAVED?
Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger Responds

VATICAN CITY, SEP 5 (ZENIT.org).- "How is it possible to explain the unique character of Christ and of the Catholic Church to a Jew or a Lutheran, a reporter asked Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, prefect of the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, during a press conference to present the "Dominus Iesus" declaration, which is concerned, precisely, with the unique and universal salvation of Christ and the Church.

Referring to a believing Jew, Cardinal Ratzinger clarified that "we are in agreement that a Jew, and this is true for believers of other religions, does not need to know or acknowledge Christ as the Son of God in order to be saved, if there are insurmountable impediments, of which he is not blameworthy, to preclude it. However, the fact that the Son of God entered history, made himself part of history, and is present as a reality in history, affects everyone."

The German Cardinal continued "I think it is important to explain that Christ did not go away to heaven, but has remained in history." Because of this, "we can say that the hidden and real presence of Christ in history affects us all, even those who are opposed or cannot encounter Christ. This is a reality that transforms history; it is something important for others, without violating their conscience."

In speaking of the universal character of the Churchīs salvation with a Lutheran, Cardinal Ratzinger said that "we all recognize objectively that the Church should be one, and we should all desire to find ourselves in a renewed Catholic Church on the road toward the future.

However, this objective necessity must be distinguished from the state of conscience of persons who learn their faith in their community and are nourished by the world of God in it." This state of conscience impedes some Christians from understanding the importance and necessity of unicity and the unity of the Church.

[link to www.catholicism.org]
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Hardly. In Latin America, they put female saints such as the Virgin Mary and the Lady of Guadalupe above Christ. They were goddess worshippers prior to their Catholic conversion, so itīs largely goddess worship in that part of the world. Nothing wrong with that, but donīt pretend itīs Christianity.
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Scary scary stuff. So many people are being misguided by influential figures using words such as these.

Hello? Remember this? "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man cometh unto the Father BUT BY ME."

Doesnīt get any plainer than that, folks!
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Gnostism (in its original 1st century form) is closer to true Christianity than Catholicism ever has been or could ever hope to be.
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The inventors of Christianity should certainly be called Christians. Who else has more rights to the name.

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