Why does Obama feel obligated to give Alqaeda Terrorists who survive a cave bombing - a multi million dollar civilian trial in NYC?

He sends in an air strike to kill and destroy them without any warning and then when we go in and drag out the bodies, if one is alive he gives him his miranda rights and legal aid and ships him back to stand traial for up to $200 million in costs to the taxpayer with all the rights that any liquor store robber gets.

Why is that?



Because that is the law. Of course maybe you dont believe in the Constitution.

How much does it cost to have out of country specialised fully equipped and manned prisons? Or is the complaint that bringing the war home will make Americans feel uncomfortable, make it all too real?


>>The Geneva Convention provides for prisoner of war camps to be set up for enemy combatants.



War camps are for lawful combatants. Unlawful combatants (terrorists and spies) get a firing squad and no trial. Most countries dont give them any rights of any kind.

Roosevelt did that when he captured German soldiers on US soil out of uniform. No prison camp, just a bullet in their fucking hearts was all they were entitled to receive under US code.

Death...


They received a trial if they were captured alive.


Unlawful combatants go before a quickie military tribunal before they are executed. Its takes a couple of weeks and costs the taxpayers only the cost of a bullet and a last meal. Quick and easy.

Why do you want to give the crotch bomber a trial in a civilian court? You want to have to prove he is guilty? Why?


Pampered better than Americans? Where did you hear that?

Military tribunals have defence lawyers and they last as long as it takes. Maybe he is going to civilian trial because there is doubt that he is an Al Qaeda operative? That is who the enemy is, isnt it? He will be charged, given a defence lawyer, and be most probably found guilty based on the evidence. What's the problem? The sentence? The civilian trial? A defence lawyer? The cost?

If I'm not mistaken, the rules of discovery are different for the two arenas..

We have people in the field that DESERVE protection as well as the way in which we operate at home and abroad.

Wouldn't want a mistrial... and why risk it when it is not necessary?


I offered a possible explanation. In reality I dont understand this "war on terror", if it is more than a war on Al Qaeda.

I get what you're saying but I only hope it doesn't take being in a building when a plane flies into it or being on a plane and watching someone set their balls on fire for understanding to be had.

It is a war on any group of people that only choose violence as a change agent.

Again, my opinion.


Really? Fighting violence as a change agent with violence is pretty ridiculous. I recognize Al Qaeda as America's enemy, not civil wars, insurrections, revolutions, wars independence or oppression, or armed struggles that happen to be threatening to govts friendly to America. And terrorism itself? A despicable method, not an enemy itself. And since terrorism doesnt bring any sympathy for a cause, IMO it usually is employed as a false flag to discredit an enemy. Or permits govts to clamp down on liberties for all. Al Qaeda does seem to have fascist tactics using terrorism to make Arab govts, and the US and Europe, become repressive societies in the name of security. It seems to be working....

What you don't seem to get is that Violence was not our first choice and not even the preffered choice.

Violence is the first last and only choice for some and the current group goes by the name of Al Qaeda.

Remember the plans to create a MASTER ARYAN RACE? It's the same mentality except this time it's not a race but a MASTER RELIGION.

Americans of all faiths and races do not want a MASTER anything..

How much does it cost to have out of country specialised fully equipped and manned prisons? Or is the complaint that bringing the war home will make Americans feel uncomfortable, make it all too real?


>>The Geneva Convention provides for prisoner of war camps to be set up for enemy combatants.



War camps are for lawful combatants. Unlawful combatants (terrorists and spies) get a firing squad and no trial. Most countries dont give them any rights of any kind.

Roosevelt did that when he captured German soldiers on US soil out of uniform. No prison camp, just a bullet in their fucking hearts was all they were entitled to receive under US code.

Death...

He sends in an air strike to kill and destroy them without any warning and then when we go in and drag out the bodies, if one is alive he gives him his miranda rights and legal aid and ships him back to stand traial for up to $200 million in costs to the taxpayer with all the rights that any liquor store robber gets.

Why is that?



Because that is the law. Of course maybe you dont believe in the Constitution.

Show me where in the Constitution that it says it is to be applied to citizens of foreign countries that attack the US?

He sends in an air strike to kill and destroy them without any warning and then when we go in and drag out the bodies, if one is alive he gives him his miranda rights and legal aid and ships him back to stand traial for up to $200 million in costs to the taxpayer with all the rights that any liquor store robber gets.

Why is that?



Because that is the law. Of course maybe you dont believe in the Constitution.

Show me where in the Constitution that it says it is to be applied to citizens of foreign countries that attack the US?



Maybe it does in the "World Government Constitution".

He sends in an air strike to kill and destroy them without any warning and then when we go in and drag out the bodies, if one is alive he gives him his miranda rights and legal aid and ships him back to stand traial for up to $200 million in costs to the taxpayer with all the rights that any liquor store robber gets.

Why is that?

hey PACNWguy, any kind of torture gives information but its mostly bad information that is why it does not work.

hey PACNWguy, any kind of torture gives information but its mostly bad information that is why it does not work.


That is such bull shit. Torture works just fine when you know the kind of info the person knows.

The anti Bush pukes will say otherwise but for thousands of years torture has been used very successfully to extract intel.

Im not condoning torture but to say it doesnt work is a lie.

I dont believe waterbording is torture as people volunteer to be waterborded and it causes no long term harm.

I consider torture to be something where you would use a black n decker tool to get the job done. Like our enemies do.

What does the "Constitution" say about illegal war?

Have you gotten your Senators and Reps who voted to fund the war fired?

Have you been paying taxes?

Giving him the benefit of the doubt...

He wants to show the world that we are a nation of laws, that we are not just a bunch of blood thirsty, Arab hating, Islam fearing people.

He also thinks that in doing so, those in the Arab world and maybe even all followers of Islam will look at this and go...oh America is not so bad, maybe Islam is wrong about America being the great Satan...

To put it bluntly, he is NAIVE...

Mind you, this is the benefit of the doubt...Being liberal he believes that they (the terrorist) would stop what they do if they only understood how much they (Liberals) care about them and want to help them enjoy a long life.

Just like HealthCare being a right in their mind.. Not a responsibilty...

While Obama and his bunch try and play the, America is sorry because America was and is wrong, game. They want nothing less than the death of every single person that calls themselves anything other than MUSLIM.

He should be encouraging and supporting the protest in Iran, and he should call a meeting ASAP of as many of the leaders of the Arab world that will attend and make it very clear that we, America and the rest of the free world, has had enough of this shit and if they continue to sit back and do nothing to stop these people, then all bets are off.

Make it clear that anyone caught alive after attempting something like this will be put to death, swiftly and immediately and we will go after the shit holes those that send them, hide in no matter where on earth that shit hole is, and that includes New York, Detroit, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, etc..




This is just what he hopes you believe. He has an agenda, no doubt about it.

To hell with them and their oil or whatever else they sell to us.....

If the free world united against this shit, we could wipe it out in a matter of years...

The protest in Iran deserve our SUPPORT openly and honestly.

He sends in an air strike to kill and destroy them without any warning and then when we go in and drag out the bodies, if one is alive he gives him his miranda rights and legal aid and ships him back to stand traial for up to $200 million in costs to the taxpayer with all the rights that any liquor store robber gets.

Why is that?

How is the Iraq war part of the war on terrorism?


>>Maybe it has something to do with the tens and hundreds of thousands of terrorists we have killed and captured in Iraq.


That statement shows you arent very informed. Or you like to delude yourself and sleep better at night...