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Anonymous Coward User ID: 730536 United States 02/17/2010 11:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | PS: to be saved, you must ask Jesus Christ to forgive you of your sins, and ask Him to be the Lord (master) of your life. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 864203Ask Him to come into your heart, and He will change you. You will know a life you have never known before. I challenge all Roman Catholics to do this, sincerely, before answering any posts. Then you can report back. All Roman Catholics are taught that Jesus Christ alone is the Way, the Truth and the Light. Please stop lying about the faith of others. Doing so while claimng to be a Christian is a very sad commentary on us all. |
New Jerusalem Russ User ID: 893539 United States 02/17/2010 11:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Today is ash wednesday for the Roman gregorian catholics which is their first day of their 40 day Lent period. Would you gregorian catholics be able to switch your 40 day Lent period to the 40 day period on the New Jerusalem calendar from the day Jesus arose on March 1/22 to Ascension Day 40 days later on Apr 2/33? Sun Feb 12/1 |
kat User ID: 863839 United States 02/17/2010 11:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just to let you all know, the Church is evolving into the New Jerusalem Church as you can plainly see right here. Quoting: New Jerusalem RussTHE GOD JESUS WITH US CHURCH. 0/0 ---- ALPHA OMEGA NEW YEAR DAY – VERNAL EQUINOX 0/1 ---- ALPHA OMEGA LEAP DAY IS EVERY 4 YEARS MAR 1/14 --- PASSOVER MAR 1/15-21 -- FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD MAR 1/22 - EASTER – CELEBRATE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST RISEN. APR 2/28 - MOTHER’S DAY - CELEBRATE THE MOTHER SPIRIT MAY 3/8 ----- PENTECOST MAY 3/28 -- FATHER’S DAY - CELEBRATE THE FATHER SPIRIT JUN 4/15-22 -- GOD’S INDEPENDENCE CELEBRATION – CELEBRATE THE SPIRIT OF FREEDOM SEPT 7/1 ---- FEAST OF TRUMPETS SEPT 7/10 --- DAY OF ATONEMENT SEPT 7/15-21 - FEAST OF TABERNACLES SEPT 7/22 ---- LAST GREAT DAY OCT 8/18 --- HALLOWEEN - CELEBRATE THE SPIRIT OF CREATIVITY NOV 9/4,5 --- TRUTH DAY THANKSGIVING – GIVE THANKS TO THE SPIRIT GOD OF TRUTH DEC 10/1-8 -- FESTIVAL OF LIGHTS CHRISTMAS (FEAST OF DEDICATION)– CELEBRATE THE SPIRIT OF VICTORY IN GOD/JESUS THE FATHER/SON OF LIGHTS JAN 11/32 ------- LOVE DAY – CELEBRATE THE SPIRIT OF LOVE FEB 12/14-15 ---- FEAST OF PURIM – CELEBRATE GOD’S PEOPLE BEING DELIVERED FROM DESTRUCTION. A TIME OF FEASTING AND GLADNESS. John the Baptist birthday is on March 1/1. His spirit prepares the way for the rest of the year of the LORD. In the first month March, we go right into the story of the Passover Lamb Jesus coming to Jerusalem on March 1/10 for the Last Supper and crucifixion during the days of Passover/ Unleavened Bread March 1/14-21 and Jesus rising again on Easter March 1/22. Next we have Mother's Day on Apr 2/28. Next comes Pentecost on May 3/8. Be great to see all the nations celebrating Pentecost each year for universal unity. Then we have Father's Day on May 3/28. We all celebrate God the Father. The children get out of public school on Jun 4/5 and enjoy 10 weeks of summer for the Northern Hemisphere. (The Southern Hemisphere children would get out on Nov 9/26 to enjoy their summer). Which leads us into God's Independence celebration on June 4/15-22. After that, the Northern Hemisphere children go back to school Aug 6/16 and we come to the Feast of Trumpets Jesus birthday party on Sept 7/1. Then the Day of Atonement on the Autumnal Equinox Sept 7/10 and into the Feast of Tabernacles/Last Great Day Sep 7/15-22. Following that comes Halloween on Oct 8/18 and then Truth Day Thanksgiving Nov 9/4-5. Which leads into the Festival of Lights Christmas Dec 10/1-8. Jesus conceived in Mother Mary on Dec 10/1 Next comes Love Day on Jan 11/32 celebrating the Spirit of love our LORD Jesus Christ Then the Feast of Purim Feb 12/14-15 which leads us back to Alpha Omega New Year Day on 0/0 the Vernal Equinox. Then we do it all over again. It makes a spiritually fufilling year of God that will keep society firmly planted with God. Sun Feb 12/1 Good morning, Russs! No good deed goes unpunished. |
kat User ID: 863839 United States 02/17/2010 11:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | PS: to be saved, you must ask Jesus Christ to forgive you of your sins, and ask Him to be the Lord (master) of your life. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 730536Ask Him to come into your heart, and He will change you. You will know a life you have never known before. I challenge all Roman Catholics to do this, sincerely, before answering any posts. Then you can report back. All Roman Catholics are taught that Jesus Christ alone is the Way, the Truth and the Light. Please stop lying about the faith of others. Doing so while claimng to be a Christian is a very sad commentary on us all. Don't be so hard. The poster does not understand Roman Catholic's relationship with God. Many of us are born again in our faith in God and Christ everyday. We just don't call it that. No good deed goes unpunished. |
New Jerusalem Russ User ID: 893539 United States 02/17/2010 11:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Catholics are supposed to be celebrating the resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ and the New Jerusalem calendar does the resurrection on Easter March 1/22 and 40 days later the ascension to the Father on Ascension Day Apr 2/33. This would be your new 40 day Lent period. Sun Feb 12/1 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 730536 United States 02/17/2010 11:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "And Moses made a bronze serpent and set it on the standard; and it came about, that if a serpent bit any man, when he looked to the bronze serpent, he lived" (Numbers Ch 21 v. 9). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 866865AC, looking is not the same as worshiping. Anyways, the fiery serpents were getting the better of those forever grumbling guys in the wilderness Catholics don't worship statues or saints. Get your facts straight before you commit the sin of calumny. Yes, it is a favorite pastime on this forum to misstate the beliefs of the Catholic Church then knock them down based on nithing but lies. Please stop lying about what Catholics belive, do and practice. It's as much of a sin to lie about the faith of another as it is to lie about Christ himself. Those who lie about Catholics as I see done daily here should be in fear for their own salvation for it is not the act of any true Christian to lie about the worship practices of others worshiping Him. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 893461 India 02/17/2010 11:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You see guys, my heart is for the Roman Catholics who WANT TO KNOW GOD but are deceived. I got lucky and got out. I became born again and then God Himself laid it on my heart (very clearly, it was supernatural) to leave the Catholic church and make a commitment to another church. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 864203You can know Him by giving your life to Him and asking him to forgive your sins. He wants to be with you. AC, sure you did the switchover to Protestantism, i take it. By doing so, you're comment is vague as it can get. That's what Protestants are good at, tho. Moreover in dealing with the Creator of the Universe, luck has absolutely nothing to do with it. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 864203 United States 02/17/2010 11:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | PS: to be saved, you must ask Jesus Christ to forgive you of your sins, and ask Him to be the Lord (master) of your life. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 730536Ask Him to come into your heart, and He will change you. You will know a life you have never known before. I challenge all Roman Catholics to do this, sincerely, before answering any posts. Then you can report back. All Roman Catholics are taught that Jesus Christ alone is the Way, the Truth and the Light. Please stop lying about the faith of others. Doing so while claimng to be a Christian is a very sad commentary on us all. I used to be a Catholic. I know what I am talking about. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 864203 United States 02/17/2010 11:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | PS: to be saved, you must ask Jesus Christ to forgive you of your sins, and ask Him to be the Lord (master) of your life. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 864203Ask Him to come into your heart, and He will change you. You will know a life you have never known before. I challenge all Roman Catholics to do this, sincerely, before answering any posts. Then you can report back. All Roman Catholics are taught that Jesus Christ alone is the Way, the Truth and the Light. Please stop lying about the faith of others. Doing so while claimng to be a Christian is a very sad commentary on us all. I used to be a Catholic. I know what I am talking about. Born and raised as a Catholic for 21 years. Went to a parochial elementary school (St. Christopher's) and was taught by nuns. I 'religiously' went to mass. My grandmother, who raised me, almost became a nun. We were never introduced to salvation in this way. I don't think you know what you are talking about. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 730536 United States 02/17/2010 11:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | PS: to be saved, you must ask Jesus Christ to forgive you of your sins, and ask Him to be the Lord (master) of your life. Quoting: katAsk Him to come into your heart, and He will change you. You will know a life you have never known before. I challenge all Roman Catholics to do this, sincerely, before answering any posts. Then you can report back. All Roman Catholics are taught that Jesus Christ alone is the Way, the Truth and the Light. Please stop lying about the faith of others. Doing so while claimng to be a Christian is a very sad commentary on us all. Don't be so hard. The poster does not understand Roman Catholic's relationship with God. Many of us are born again in our faith in God and Christ everyday. We just don't call it that. No, Catholics should never let these liars get away with slandering and lying about our beliefs. I am sick and tired of it happening daily on this forum. No Christian goes around lying in the manner of those that I have seen who post here. They need to be called on it each and every time they lie in this manner. At any given time there are threads actively bashing Catholics with nothing but lies as their foundation. They are a souce of pure evil, those who do this. I believe the Scriptures state that Satan is their father, too. You don't see Catholics telling others what they believe in this way. They need to really STFU with their lying lies told by the liars that they are for they are just plain WRONG to do this. It's no misunderstanding but a deliberate smear attack and yes, I know Jesus said we would be persecuted but it should never come from those who profess to be Christain. It makes a total mockery of the entire faith. |
kat User ID: 863839 United States 02/17/2010 11:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good morning, Russs! Quoting: New Jerusalem RussGood morning kat. Today is the first day of February on the New Jerusalem calendar. Sun Feb 12/1 Oh, no, Russ. I just thought we were getting February almost over. I bet it's not cold were you live. No good deed goes unpunished. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 864203 United States 02/17/2010 11:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You see guys, my heart is for the Roman Catholics who WANT TO KNOW GOD but are deceived. I got lucky and got out. I became born again and then God Himself laid it on my heart (very clearly, it was supernatural) to leave the Catholic church and make a commitment to another church. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 893461You can know Him by giving your life to Him and asking him to forgive your sins. He wants to be with you. AC, sure you did the switchover to Protestantism, i take it. By doing so, you're comment is vague as it can get. That's what Protestants are good at, tho. Moreover in dealing with the Creator of the Universe, luck has absolutely nothing to do with it. If it is vague to you, it is because the veil has not been lifted for you yet. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 866865 United States 02/17/2010 11:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | PS: to be saved, you must ask Jesus Christ to forgive you of your sins, and ask Him to be the Lord (master) of your life. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 864203Ask Him to come into your heart, and He will change you. You will know a life you have never known before. I challenge all Roman Catholics to do this, sincerely, before answering any posts. Then you can report back. All Roman Catholics are taught that Jesus Christ alone is the Way, the Truth and the Light. Please stop lying about the faith of others. Doing so while claimng to be a Christian is a very sad commentary on us all. I used to be a Catholic. I know what I am talking about. If you were a catholic in the last 40 years, the chances of you getting authentic catholic teaching are pretty dang slim. Freemasons and modernists have infiltrated and decimated the church. Thank God for Archbishop LeFebvre and others who remained in the truth. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 864203 United States 02/17/2010 11:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | PS: to be saved, you must ask Jesus Christ to forgive you of your sins, and ask Him to be the Lord (master) of your life. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 730536Ask Him to come into your heart, and He will change you. You will know a life you have never known before. I challenge all Roman Catholics to do this, sincerely, before answering any posts. Then you can report back. All Roman Catholics are taught that Jesus Christ alone is the Way, the Truth and the Light. Please stop lying about the faith of others. Doing so while claimng to be a Christian is a very sad commentary on us all. Don't be so hard. The poster does not understand Roman Catholic's relationship with God. Many of us are born again in our faith in God and Christ everyday. We just don't call it that. No, Catholics should never let these liars get away with slandering and lying about our beliefs. I am sick and tired of it happening daily on this forum. No Christian goes around lying in the manner of those that I have seen who post here. They need to be called on it each and every time they lie in this manner. At any given time there are threads actively bashing Catholics with nothing but lies as their foundation. They are a souce of pure evil, those who do this. I believe the Scriptures state that Satan is their father, too. You don't see Catholics telling others what they believe in this way. They need to really STFU with their lying lies told by the liars that they are for they are just plain WRONG to do this. It's no misunderstanding but a deliberate smear attack and yes, I know Jesus said we would be persecuted but it should never come from those who profess to be Christain. It makes a total mockery of the entire faith. Please read my response in an earlier post. About all the people I knew when growing up were Catholic, along with myself (being Catholic). I know EXACTLY what I am talking about. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 730536 United States 02/17/2010 11:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | PS: to be saved, you must ask Jesus Christ to forgive you of your sins, and ask Him to be the Lord (master) of your life. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 864203Ask Him to come into your heart, and He will change you. You will know a life you have never known before. I challenge all Roman Catholics to do this, sincerely, before answering any posts. Then you can report back. All Roman Catholics are taught that Jesus Christ alone is the Way, the Truth and the Light. Please stop lying about the faith of others. Doing so while claimng to be a Christian is a very sad commentary on us all. I used to be a Catholic. I know what I am talking about. No, you obviously don't have a clue what you are talking about. Because something is expressed in a different way doesn't give it a different meaning. And isn't it cute how almost ALL the Catholic bashers claim to have previously been Catholic but are totally lacking in even the most basic knowledge of the Catechism? How many times have you read it, for example? I'd guess never or you would know better than to make such ridiculous statements. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 864203 United States 02/17/2010 11:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | PS: to be saved, you must ask Jesus Christ to forgive you of your sins, and ask Him to be the Lord (master) of your life. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 866865Ask Him to come into your heart, and He will change you. You will know a life you have never known before. I challenge all Roman Catholics to do this, sincerely, before answering any posts. Then you can report back. All Roman Catholics are taught that Jesus Christ alone is the Way, the Truth and the Light. Please stop lying about the faith of others. Doing so while claimng to be a Christian is a very sad commentary on us all. I used to be a Catholic. I know what I am talking about. If you were a catholic in the last 40 years, the chances of you getting authentic catholic teaching are pretty dang slim. Freemasons and modernists have infiltrated and decimated the church. Thank God for Archbishop LeFebvre and others who remained in the truth. I was Catholic within the last 50 years. Born in 1959, raised Catholic and remained so until I was 22 years old. |
kat User ID: 863839 United States 02/17/2010 11:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | PS: to be saved, you must ask Jesus Christ to forgive you of your sins, and ask Him to be the Lord (master) of your life. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 866865Ask Him to come into your heart, and He will change you. You will know a life you have never known before. I challenge all Roman Catholics to do this, sincerely, before answering any posts. Then you can report back. All Roman Catholics are taught that Jesus Christ alone is the Way, the Truth and the Light. Please stop lying about the faith of others. Doing so while claimng to be a Christian is a very sad commentary on us all. I used to be a Catholic. I know what I am talking about. If you were a catholic in the last 40 years, the chances of you getting authentic catholic teaching are pretty dang slim. Freemasons and modernists have infiltrated and decimated the church. Thank God for Archbishop LeFebvre and others who remained in the truth. So again I ask, what should faithful Roman Catholics do about this? No good deed goes unpunished. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 864203 United States 02/17/2010 11:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | PS: to be saved, you must ask Jesus Christ to forgive you of your sins, and ask Him to be the Lord (master) of your life. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 730536Ask Him to come into your heart, and He will change you. You will know a life you have never known before. I challenge all Roman Catholics to do this, sincerely, before answering any posts. Then you can report back. All Roman Catholics are taught that Jesus Christ alone is the Way, the Truth and the Light. Please stop lying about the faith of others. Doing so while claimng to be a Christian is a very sad commentary on us all. I used to be a Catholic. I know what I am talking about. No, you obviously don't have a clue what you are talking about. Because something is expressed in a different way doesn't give it a different meaning. And isn't it cute how almost ALL the Catholic bashers claim to have previously been Catholic but are totally lacking in even the most basic knowledge of the Catechism? How many times have you read it, for example? I'd guess never or you would know better than to make such ridiculous statements. Born and raised as a Catholic for 21 years. Went to a parochial elementary school (St. Christopher's) and was taught by nuns. I 'religiously' went to mass. My grandmother, who raised me, almost became a nun. We were never introduced to salvation in this way. I don't think you know what you are talking about. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 893610 Mexico 02/17/2010 11:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Kat, this is a good Traditional catholic forum. You'll be welcome [link to catholicforum.fisheaters.com] |
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kat User ID: 863839 United States 02/17/2010 11:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | PS: to be saved, you must ask Jesus Christ to forgive you of your sins, and ask Him to be the Lord (master) of your life. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 730536Ask Him to come into your heart, and He will change you. You will know a life you have never known before. I challenge all Roman Catholics to do this, sincerely, before answering any posts. Then you can report back. All Roman Catholics are taught that Jesus Christ alone is the Way, the Truth and the Light. Please stop lying about the faith of others. Doing so while claimng to be a Christian is a very sad commentary on us all. I used to be a Catholic. I know what I am talking about. No, you obviously don't have a clue what you are talking about. Because something is expressed in a different way doesn't give it a different meaning. And isn't it cute how almost ALL the Catholic bashers claim to have previously been Catholic but are totally lacking in even the most basic knowledge of the Catechism? How many times have you read it, for example? I'd guess never or you would know better than to make such ridiculous statements. Bluebird, is that you? No good deed goes unpunished. |
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platzee User ID: 893497 United States 02/17/2010 11:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are many forces of evil in the world and it would seem some have been attracted here. They can not stand when the truth is spoken, nor when the Lord is glorified. Eternal damnation is their fate and they wish to take as many souls with as they can. Quoting: Traditional Catholic 893587Re-read this thread and observe hoe the tone of the disbeliever has changed. It has gone from simple disagreement to mockery. Truly the sign of Satan. GET THEE HENCE DEMON! THERE IS NO PLACE FOR YOU AND YOUR MINIONS HERE. IT IS THE POWER OF CHRIST WHO COMPELS YOU TO DEPART! Back to the questions at hand Question for the catholics in here. Do you still kneel infront of the statues that I've seen in most churches? Do you understand the 10 commandments? If so here is commandment number 2. You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments. "Catholics worship statues!" People still make this ridiculous claim. Because Catholics have statues in their churches, goes the accusation, they are violating God’s commandment: "You shall not make for yourself a graven image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: you shall not bow down to them or serve them" (Ex. 20:4–5); "Alas, this people have sinned a great sin; they have made for themselves gods of gold" (Ex. 32:31). Truthfully, it is right to warn people against the sin of idolatry when they are committing it. But calling Catholics idolaters because they have images of Christ and the saints is based on misunderstanding or ignorance of what the Bible says about the purpose and uses (both good and bad) of statues. Anti-Catholic writer Loraine Boettner, in his book Roman Catholicism, makes the blanket statement, "God has forbidden the use of images in worship" (281). Yet if people were to "search the scriptures" (cf. John 5:39), they would find the opposite is true. God forbade the worship of statues, but he did not forbid the religious use of statues. Instead, he actually commanded their use in religious contexts! What if...God Said To Make Them? People who oppose religious statuary forget about the many passages where the Lord commands the making of statues. For example: "And you shall make two cherubim of gold [i.e., two gold statues of angels]; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end; of one piece of the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim on its two ends. The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be" (Ex. 25:18–20). David gave Solomon the plan "for the altar of incense made of refined gold, and its weight; also his plan for the golden chariot of the cherubim that spread their wings and covered the ark of the covenant of the Lord. All this he made clear by the writing of the hand of the Lord concerning it all, all the work to be done according to the plan" (1 Chr. 28:18–19). David’s plan for the temple, which the biblical author tells us was "by the writing of the hand of the Lord concerning it all," included statues of angels. Similarly Ezekiel 41:17–18 describes graven (carved) images in the idealized temple he was shown in a vision, for he writes, "On the walls round about in the inner room and [on] the nave were carved likenesses of cherubim." Another charge sometimes made by Protestants is that the Catholic Church "hides" the second commandment. This is because in Catholic catechisms, the first commandment is often listed as "You shall have no other gods before me" (Ex. 20:3), and the second is listed as "You shall not take the name of the Lord in vain." (Ex. 20:7). From this, it is argued that Catholics have deleted the prohibition of idolatry to justify their use of religious statues. But this is false. Catholics simply group the commandments differently from most Protestants. In Exodus 20:2–17, which gives the Ten Commandments, there are actually fourteen imperative statements. To arrive at Ten Commandments, some statements have to be grouped together, and there is more than one way of doing this. Since, in the ancient world, polytheism and idolatry were always united—idolatry being the outward expression of polytheism—the historic Jewish numbering of the Ten Commandments has always grouped together the imperatives "You shall have no other gods before me" (Ex. 20:3) and "You shall not make for yourself a graven image" (Ex. 20:4). The historic Catholic numbering follows the Jewish numbering on this point, as does the historic Lutheran numbering. Martin Luther recognized that the imperatives against polytheism and idolatry are two parts of a single command. Jews and Christians abbreviate the commandments so that they can be remembered using a summary, ten-point formula. For example, Jews, Catholics, and Protestants typically summarize the Sabbath commandment as, "Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy," though the commandment’s actual text takes four verses (Ex. 20:8–11). When the prohibition of polytheism/idolatry is summarized, Jews, Catholics, and Lutherans abbreviate it as "You shall have no other gods before me." This is no attempt to "hide" the idolatry prohibition (Jews and Lutherans don’t even use statues of saints and angels). It is to make learning the Ten Commandments easier. The Catholic Church is not dogmatic about how the Ten Commandments are to be numbered, however. The Catechism of the Catholic Church says, "The division and numbering of the Commandments have varied in the course of history. The present catechism follows the division of the Commandments established by Augustine, which has become traditional in the Catholic Church. It is also that of the Lutheran confession. The Greek Fathers worked out a slightly different division, which is found in the Orthodox Churches and Reformed communities" You confuse mockery with facts my friend. I grew up in the catholic religion. After my first confession I was told by the priest to do so many hail marys and our fathers in front of a statue. This statue I was told by my catechism teacher was the virgin mary herself. Maybe the church I attended was the only one that does this. Mary will not save us. You confuse me with protestant. I got out of that as well. It's simply a spinoff of the idolatrous and pagan catholic religion. When I say pagan I'm asking what does easter mean? In regards to the things in the temple. These were commanded by God. The statues and idols in the catholic church are commanded by man and not God. May you see the light some day my friend. Jesus is the only way. The pope will lead you to damnation. We know this simply by examining their deeds and actions. Examples would be hiding facts about child molestation in the church. |
kat User ID: 863839 United States 02/17/2010 11:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Kat, this is a good Traditional catholic forum. You'll be welcome Quoting: Anonymous Coward 893610[link to catholicforum.fisheaters.com] Thank you. I place for complainers! I will feel right at home. No good deed goes unpunished. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 730536 United States 02/17/2010 11:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | PS: to be saved, you must ask Jesus Christ to forgive you of your sins, and ask Him to be the Lord (master) of your life. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 864203Ask Him to come into your heart, and He will change you. You will know a life you have never known before. I challenge all Roman Catholics to do this, sincerely, before answering any posts. Then you can report back. All Roman Catholics are taught that Jesus Christ alone is the Way, the Truth and the Light. Please stop lying about the faith of others. Doing so while claimng to be a Christian is a very sad commentary on us all. I used to be a Catholic. I know what I am talking about. No, you obviously don't have a clue what you are talking about. Because something is expressed in a different way doesn't give it a different meaning. And isn't it cute how almost ALL the Catholic bashers claim to have previously been Catholic but are totally lacking in even the most basic knowledge of the Catechism? How many times have you read it, for example? I'd guess never or you would know better than to make such ridiculous statements. Born and raised as a Catholic for 21 years. Went to a parochial elementary school (St. Christopher's) and was taught by nuns. I 'religiously' went to mass. My grandmother, who raised me, almost became a nun. We were never introduced to salvation in this way. I don't think you know what you are talking about. The wording is different but the meaning is the same. The Catholic Church teaches that Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Light. Are you denying that??? If so, you are lying. Do they say you must"Get Saved!" as though it is an event? NO, I sure hope not as it is a process over time but I have never in my entire life heard any denial of Christ as Savior taught in any Catholic Church, ever. And neither have YOU. |
kat User ID: 863839 United States 02/17/2010 11:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are many forces of evil in the world and it would seem some have been attracted here. They can not stand when the truth is spoken, nor when the Lord is glorified. Eternal damnation is their fate and they wish to take as many souls with as they can. Quoting: platzee 893497Re-read this thread and observe hoe the tone of the disbeliever has changed. It has gone from simple disagreement to mockery. Truly the sign of Satan. GET THEE HENCE DEMON! THERE IS NO PLACE FOR YOU AND YOUR MINIONS HERE. IT IS THE POWER OF CHRIST WHO COMPELS YOU TO DEPART! Back to the questions at hand Question for the catholics in here. Do you still kneel infront of the statues that I've seen in most churches? Do you understand the 10 commandments? If so here is commandment number 2. You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments. "Catholics worship statues!" People still make this ridiculous claim. Because Catholics have statues in their churches, goes the accusation, they are violating God’s commandment: "You shall not make for yourself a graven image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: you shall not bow down to them or serve them" (Ex. 20:4–5); "Alas, this people have sinned a great sin; they have made for themselves gods of gold" (Ex. 32:31). Truthfully, it is right to warn people against the sin of idolatry when they are committing it. But calling Catholics idolaters because they have images of Christ and the saints is based on misunderstanding or ignorance of what the Bible says about the purpose and uses (both good and bad) of statues. Anti-Catholic writer Loraine Boettner, in his book Roman Catholicism, makes the blanket statement, "God has forbidden the use of images in worship" (281). Yet if people were to "search the scriptures" (cf. John 5:39), they would find the opposite is true. God forbade the worship of statues, but he did not forbid the religious use of statues. Instead, he actually commanded their use in religious contexts! What if...God Said To Make Them? People who oppose religious statuary forget about the many passages where the Lord commands the making of statues. For example: "And you shall make two cherubim of gold [i.e., two gold statues of angels]; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end; of one piece of the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim on its two ends. The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be" (Ex. 25:18–20). David gave Solomon the plan "for the altar of incense made of refined gold, and its weight; also his plan for the golden chariot of the cherubim that spread their wings and covered the ark of the covenant of the Lord. All this he made clear by the writing of the hand of the Lord concerning it all, all the work to be done according to the plan" (1 Chr. 28:18–19). David’s plan for the temple, which the biblical author tells us was "by the writing of the hand of the Lord concerning it all," included statues of angels. Similarly Ezekiel 41:17–18 describes graven (carved) images in the idealized temple he was shown in a vision, for he writes, "On the walls round about in the inner room and [on] the nave were carved likenesses of cherubim." Another charge sometimes made by Protestants is that the Catholic Church "hides" the second commandment. This is because in Catholic catechisms, the first commandment is often listed as "You shall have no other gods before me" (Ex. 20:3), and the second is listed as "You shall not take the name of the Lord in vain." (Ex. 20:7). From this, it is argued that Catholics have deleted the prohibition of idolatry to justify their use of religious statues. But this is false. Catholics simply group the commandments differently from most Protestants. In Exodus 20:2–17, which gives the Ten Commandments, there are actually fourteen imperative statements. To arrive at Ten Commandments, some statements have to be grouped together, and there is more than one way of doing this. Since, in the ancient world, polytheism and idolatry were always united—idolatry being the outward expression of polytheism—the historic Jewish numbering of the Ten Commandments has always grouped together the imperatives "You shall have no other gods before me" (Ex. 20:3) and "You shall not make for yourself a graven image" (Ex. 20:4). The historic Catholic numbering follows the Jewish numbering on this point, as does the historic Lutheran numbering. Martin Luther recognized that the imperatives against polytheism and idolatry are two parts of a single command. Jews and Christians abbreviate the commandments so that they can be remembered using a summary, ten-point formula. For example, Jews, Catholics, and Protestants typically summarize the Sabbath commandment as, "Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy," though the commandment’s actual text takes four verses (Ex. 20:8–11). When the prohibition of polytheism/idolatry is summarized, Jews, Catholics, and Lutherans abbreviate it as "You shall have no other gods before me." This is no attempt to "hide" the idolatry prohibition (Jews and Lutherans don’t even use statues of saints and angels). It is to make learning the Ten Commandments easier. The Catholic Church is not dogmatic about how the Ten Commandments are to be numbered, however. The Catechism of the Catholic Church says, "The division and numbering of the Commandments have varied in the course of history. The present catechism follows the division of the Commandments established by Augustine, which has become traditional in the Catholic Church. It is also that of the Lutheran confession. The Greek Fathers worked out a slightly different division, which is found in the Orthodox Churches and Reformed communities" You confuse mockery with facts my friend. I grew up in the catholic religion. After my first confession I was told by the priest to do so many hail marys and our fathers in front of a statue. This statue I was told by my catechism teacher was the virgin mary herself. Maybe the church I attended was the only one that does this. Mary will not save us. You confuse me with protestant. I got out of that as well. It's simply a spinoff of the idolatrous and pagan catholic religion. When I say pagan I'm asking what does easter mean? In regards to the things in the temple. These were commanded by God. The statues and idols in the catholic church are commanded by man and not God. May you see the light some day my friend. Jesus is the only way. The pope will lead you to damnation. We know this simply by examining their deeds and actions. Examples would be hiding facts about child molestation in the church. I forgot about that. The nuns did used to send us to the statues. Maybe they thought it would impress us. The nuns used to do some mighty strange things. You had to be there. No good deed goes unpunished. |