Where is Mercury! And Venus Out of Place!

I know, I can't explain it either......but my Teacher's are usually right! I can only wait and wonder.......for now!

I know, I can't explain it either......but my Teacher's are usually right! I can only wait and wonder.......for now!


You don't have to wait and wonder.

You can TEST the claim. Fairly easily, too. You just need something you can sight along that is semi-permanently aligned to the North Star. If it repeatedly aligns, your Teachers are incorrect.

[link to www.youtube.com]

I suppose if you'll believe, without any proof mind you, that distant stars are all violating physics and accelerating back and forth faster than the speed of light in a way to perfectly compensate for the "wobble" of the earth, you'll believe literally anything. I would ask why we don't see the wobble in the apparent positions of satellites as well, but if you believe the former, the latter is only a handwave away from dismissal as well (I guess every single satellite has a big rocket and unlimited fuel to manuever in a way that compensates for the wobble perpetually and this magic high thrust rocket cannot be seen or sensed).

I suppose if you'll believe, without any proof mind you, that distant stars are all violating physics and accelerating back and forth faster than the speed of light in a way to perfectly compensate for the "wobble" of the earth, you'll believe literally anything. I would ask why we don't see the wobble in the apparent positions of satellites as well, but if you believe the former, the latter is only a handwave away from dismissal as well (I guess every single satellite has a big rocket and unlimited fuel to manuever in a way that compensates for the wobble perpetually and this magic high thrust rocket cannot be seen or sensed).

I'm NOT saying that I believe that Astronut......I'm simply saying that I can't explain what the hell my Teacher's are talking about yet! lol

In my mind I can't even see how you could entertain it as a possibility at this point. Who are these "teachers?"

In my mind I can't even see how you could entertain it as a possibility at this point. Who are these "teachers?"
The Hosts of Heaven(sky)........God Source, might be a easier term to understand.

For Heaven's sake, do NOT ever believe anything the deflunkers say. Do your own measurements and relay them back here ... we are watching too!

The debunkers only pretend to want you to, then they quickly put you down and besmirch you, before, and so, you do not even attempt this. Watch the KNOWN government op Menow doing this very thing to you. He is more than obvious and he has been doing this same thing at GLP almost every single day for what 6-7 years now? How much sense does this make?

You will find arguing with these twerps a TOTAL waste of time, ObeWayneKenobe. Report what you see to the rest of us ... some of our minds are open, too!

For Heaven's sake, do NOT ever believe anything the deflunkers say. Do your own measurements and relay them back here ... we are watching too!

For Heaven's sake, do NOT ever believe anything the deflunkers say. Do your own measurements and relay them back here ... we are watching too!

For Heaven's sake, do NOT ever believe anything the deflunkers say. Do your own measurements and relay them back here ... we are watching too!

I see, don't believe us is the new excuse. We don't want people to see for themselves? So just what the hell was this then?
Thread: Come see live telescopic video of the moon right now! 4-22-10

By the way... nobody with any experience in the real world belives you.
Good......cause I believe, that if it's really happening; people should be able to see it for themselves.......and NOT have to take my word for it!


I will agree.

So why are no scientist, astronomer, NASA or anyone else shouting at the top of their lungs?

Because Nancy, ObeWayneKenobe and some of her other followers are the only one who can see these things?

Nancy has said for years now that the planets are not in the right place, the sun is wrong, yada yada yada. But any moran who can look up and see, knows this all to be nonsense.

For Heaven's sake, do NOT ever believe anything the deflunkers say. Do your own measurements and relay them back here ... we are watching too!

I see, don't believe us is the new excuse. We don't want people to see for themselves? So just what the hell was this then?
Thread: Come see live telescopic video of the moon right now! 4-22-10

Btw Astronut, I never thanked you for putting up that thread with your telescopic pictures......I thought it was a really cool thing you did! Thanks!!! :)

For Heaven's sake, do NOT ever believe anything the deflunkers say. Do your own measurements and relay them back here ... we are watching too!

I see, don't believe us is the new excuse. We don't want people to see for themselves? So just what the hell was this then?
Thread: Come see live telescopic video of the moon right now! 4-22-10

Btw Astronut, I never thanked you for putting up that thread with your telescopic pictures......I thought it was a really cool thing you did! Thanks!!! :)

Thanks! I'll be doing it again before too long.

well, if one gets an outdated sky program, that has not been updated with nice new pics as needed, one can see stuff is off

Well I'll tell you what Mr. Know-it-all: In all fairness to Nancy, my Teacher's tell me that this earth is wobbling like a drunken sailor.........but since I have NO proof of it, then I can only wait for confirmations! For my Teacher's also tell me to go out and get my own confirmations!

So if Nancy is saying that, then maybe she does have some valid information.......and maybe I should listen to her more closely! lol



Except the Earth is not wobbling, as you describe. If it were, the North Star would no longer be the North Star. Yet there it is.

Crudely spoken but in fact the Earth does wobble. Not like a sailor but like a top. The motion is called precession. The precessional period is around 26,000 years. And yes, the pole star does move. The position of the pole moves with respect to the stars.

Well I'll tell you what Mr. Know-it-all: In all fairness to Nancy, my Teacher's tell me that this earth is wobbling like a drunken sailor.........but since I have NO proof of it, then I can only wait for confirmations! For my Teacher's also tell me to go out and get my own confirmations!

So if Nancy is saying that, then maybe she does have some valid information.......and maybe I should listen to her more closely! lol



Except the Earth is not wobbling, as you describe. If it were, the North Star would no longer be the North Star. Yet there it is.



Crudely spoken but in fact the Earth does wobble. Not like a sailor but like a top. The motion is called precession. The precessional period is around 26,000 years. And yes, the pole star does move. The position of the pole moves with respect to the stars.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The second motion is called nutation. It is a small deviation from the circular precession.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

So the motion is not like a druken sailor because the motion is predictable.

well, if one gets an outdated sky program, that has not been updated with nice new pics as needed, one can see stuff is off

Well I'll tell you what Mr. Know-it-all: In all fairness to Nancy, my Teacher's tell me that this earth is wobbling like a drunken sailor.........but since I have NO proof of it, then I can only wait for confirmations! For my Teacher's also tell me to go out and get my own confirmations!

So if Nancy is saying that, then maybe she does have some valid information.......and maybe I should listen to her more closely! lol



Except the Earth is not wobbling, as you describe. If it were, the North Star would no longer be the North Star. Yet there it is.



Crudely spoken but in fact the Earth does wobble. Not like a sailor but like a top. The motion is called precession. The precessional period is around 26,000 years. And yes, the pole star does move. The position of the pole moves with respect to the stars.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The second motion is called nutation. It is a small deviation from the circular precession.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

So the motion is not like a druken sailor because the motion is predictable.

I have The Sky from the late 1990's and it's still as accurate as I can observe.

For Heaven's sake, do NOT ever believe anything the deflunkers say. Do your own measurements and relay them back here ... we are watching too!

I see, don't believe us is the new excuse. We don't want people to see for themselves? So just what the hell was this then?
Thread: Come see live telescopic video of the moon right now! 4-22-10

Btw Astronut, I never thanked you for putting up that thread with your telescopic pictures......I thought it was a really cool thing you did! Thanks!!! :)

Thanks! I'll be doing it again before too long.

Cool.....I'll be looking forward to that! :)

I have The Sky from the late 1990's and it's still as accurate as I can observe.
That reminds me, I should try to dig up my old Sky CD from the mid to late 90s. It'd be fun to see just how precisely it agrees with the coordinates given by modern programs.

I have The Sky from the late 1990's and it's still as accurate as I can observe.
That reminds me, I should try to dig up my old Sky CD from the mid to late 90s. It'd be fun to see just how precisely it agrees with the coordinates given by modern programs.



The only thing that has changed is it now uses coordinates from the Epoch 2000.0 system which was updated slightly to correct for precession. The differences are in arc-seconds...WAY too small to see.

Yes, please do perform your own measurements. You will quickly see that everything is exactly in place and moving completely predictably. Astrophotography absolutely RELY's on the predictability of the sky and the stability of the earth's rotational axis. Equatorially mounted photographic telescopes have their rotational axis adjusted to be exactly parallel to the earth's axis so that when moved backwards at a rate exactly equal to that at which the earth turns, long exposure photography is possible.

Here is a SEVEN HOUR exposure of the galaxy M33...see if you can detcct ANY drift or "wobble" at all...

[link to www.machunter.org]

Long exposure astrophotography would be impossible if what Nancy claimed wbout the earth "wobbling" were at all true. My mount is set in thousands of pounds of concrete and if what Nancy claimed were true, I'd have to be jack-hammering it out every few hours. It simply isn't so.

If you're interested, you can see other of my work at

www.machunter.org/hapspics.html

Crudely spoken but in fact the Earth does wobble. Not like a sailor but like a top. The motion is called precession. The precessional period is around 26,000 years. And yes, the pole star does move. The position of the pole moves with respect to the stars.

This is all true, but what is being discussed here is a previously-undiscovered wobble large enough in amplitude to be seen by eye which carries the pole in a figure-8 pattern according to the claimant. For the puproses of the discussion, "wobble" is meant to refer to this claimed motion, not precession or the smaller amplitude nutation. Indeed motions such as precession are known, predicted, and factored into the predictions of coordinates for stars and planets by many planetarium programs and GOTO telescopes. What we're talking about here would not already be accounted and compensated for.

Crudely spoken but in fact the Earth does wobble. Not like a sailor but like a top. The motion is called precession. The precessional period is around 26,000 years. And yes, the pole star does move. The position of the pole moves with respect to the stars.

This is all true, but what is being discussed here is a previously-undiscovered wobble large enough in amplitude to be seen by eye which carries the pole in a figure-8 pattern according to the claimant. For the puproses of the discussion, "wobble" is meant to refer to this claimed motion, not precession or the smaller amplitude nutation. Indeed motions such as precession are known, predicted, and factored into the predictions of coordinates for stars and planets by many planetarium programs and GOTO telescopes. What we're talking about here would not already be accounted and compensated for.



If you read the statement "... my Teacher's tell me that this earth is wobbling like a drunken sailor..." that seems to be a clear statement of a misunderstanding of precession and nutation. And yes crazy motions like you describe here are just that, crazy. But it important to try and seperate the craziness from the misunderstanding.

If you read the statement "... my Teacher's tell me that this earth is wobbling like a drunken sailor..." that seems to be a clear statement of a misunderstanding of precession and nutation. And yes crazy motions like you describe here are just that, crazy. But it important to try and seperate the craziness from the misunderstanding.

Well I'll tell you what Mr. Know-it-all: In all fairness to Nancy, my Teacher's tell me that this earth is wobbling like a drunken sailor.........

but since I have NO proof of it, then I can only wait for confirmations! For my Teacher's also tell me to go out and get my own confirmations!

So if Nancy is saying that, then maybe she does have some valid information.......and maybe I should listen to her more closely! lol

If you read the statement "... my Teacher's tell me that this earth is wobbling like a drunken sailor..." that seems to be a clear statement of a misunderstanding of precession and nutation. And yes crazy motions like you describe here are just that, crazy. But it important to try and seperate the craziness from the misunderstanding.
LOL.....Hey, even I agree with that!

Now if I just knew what you were saying.....? lol