My youngest daughter wants to be baptised and my oldest doesn't...

If she doesn't want to then she shouldn't.

Baptism=inward sign of an outward change and I don't think it's appropriate for infants and young children.

I think it's a bit much for young kids, too... Just don't see a point, you know?

Your youngest has grown smart enough to think by herself and be a responsible human being. A virtue which many religious people, no matter how old, have not developed.

Maybe the older one knows she's done some unclean things and she's afraid she'll boil the water.

There is no longer any need to be baptized. Baptism was for the jewish people in the Old Testament. Now we only need to accept Jesus Christ as our saviour. See Romans 10.

On another note your older daughter doesn't have a hope in finding Truth if left on her own. Even the youngest is not following the Word of God. Forget churches and denominations, it's the Bible that needs to be read.

Find a preacher or minister who uses only the Word of God as in the Authorized King James Bible found here for free [link to www.bibleprotector.com] and listen here for the Word of God from that bible [link to tsabibleschool.com]

So? Do you have a rule that they should be identical or something? Don't push either of them one way or the other. But, don't stop them from doing things that can't hurt them either. Baptism is supposed to be from the heart, if the younger wants it, let her do it.

Faith isn't a competition. None of us starts at exactly the same place. And we can progress only at our own pace. Remember the story of the tortoise and the hare? They both finished the race...that's what counts in the end.

Do not have them force your oldest into doing something that she does not want to do. And shame on your family for giving her a hard time for it. That's equal to bullying and peer pressure.
She'll resent you all if she's forced into it when she wants no part. She's a free human being, or at least supposed to be.

Thank you all for your opinions. I am not a "born again" anything. I would NEVER force my babies into something they didn't want to do. I was made to go to church almost every time the doors opened when I was little. I don't make them attend church. My oldest is VERY intelligent and she doesn't buy into the whole story of Christianity. And I agree that my family is wrong for the peer pressure. Just tough for her to deal with. I am there for her, though. She is a wonderful, smart young lady who does not need the "fear" of eternal hellfire at 11 years old. Any God who rules through fear is no God, IMO...

I really do appreciate your input. I live the the 2nd notch of the "bible belt." (Beckley,WV) Most people here are closed minded and stuck in their ways. It's hard to have an intelligent converstion with people who believe a certain way just because their parents did and their parents did and so on, and so on... I hope something happens to break this archaeic spell that affects so, so many people in this area...

Both the kids' decisions should be respected. No one should pressure a person to either be baptized or not be baptized. It's between the individual and God.

Feel free to make your younger daughter's baptism a special event. Pick up a cake, have a barbeque, give her a gift to memorialize the occasion.

Then pull your older daughter on the side and privately give her a special gift as well to show her that you love her and respect her choice just as much.

Stop letting your mom abuse them by taking them to a church. All they hear there are lies. You wouldn't let someone abuse any other part of their anatomy, why let them do it to their brain?

Too bad for you and your daughters. You may not believe in something but it doesn't change that something. Jesus Christ is real, lived and died for us to have eternal life.

You really are letting down those daughters of yours.

I HAVE BEEN BAPTIZED SO MANY TIMES BEFORE IN THE PAST MY

OLD PASTOR

BAPTIZED ME IN A TUB MY NEW PASTOR BAPTIZED ME IN A POOL IN

SOME KIND OF WHITE SEE THROUGH GOWN WHEN I WAS WET EVERYONE THERE

SAW MY BUSINESS MY OTHER PASTOR BAPTIZED ME AT HIS HOUSE I

WAS SCARED TO DROWN SO MAYBE YOUR OLDEST IS SCARED OF

DROWNING OR SCARED TO SHOW THE BUSINESS TO EVERYONE THERE

THAT'S THE BEST I GOT

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Encouraging is good. Forcing, ridicule is bad.

When she wants it, she'll do it.


She'll likely be more committed to her baptism and the rules she is required to follow if it is something that she wants.

Please, let them choose. I went along for the ride to0 when I was about 13. When I turned 33 I realized what the true babtism is-an inner process of purification. It doesn't matter. Give them a choice.

By not allowing them to choose??? That water dunking is nothing and I know ignorant one!

NO, she's just going with the herd. Hopefully she'll out grow it.

Originally, baptism was an Eastern tradition. It symbolized dying to the ego and being reborn into a New Life, gained through enlightenment.

Christianity stole this practice and turned it into a gory ritual that "bathes you in blood". But it's okay, because it's jesus' blood and therefor could NEVER be gross or gory...

Just as Christianity has the ritual of blood drinking and flesh eating... which is also beautiful and so, so, so exquisite and not sick at all because it's jesus' blood and flesh they are gobbling.

If your daughter does not want to bathe in blood or hold cannibalistic rituals, then why would you pressure her into it?

Certainly the fact that they are SYMBOLIC decreases how disgusting it is... but by how much?

If any other religion symbolized blood drinking and dunking each other in blood, we'd all be horrified. It's past time we quit pretending it's not sick just because christians are doing it.

So whatever happened with this? Did you make her do the blood-bathing ritual?

The Baptismal Sacrament...is not what you think...Like everything else that is going on in this world...it is a ritual to bind you to earth. It is water flowing down as opposed to what takes you up. I'm happy that one of your daughters knows this...she is the one that is intune! LISTEN...don't JUDGE them...And let THEM decide for themselves.!

So...hence your NAME says it ALL

The youngest is too young. They must be old enuff to know what sin is, 13 or so.

Too bad about the oldest. Her choice. Maybe later.

Manson was raised Catholic hates the bible go figure.

That's only because People who read The Bible will depart from The great Mother "Whore" Church, that's why they had to create other Books (APOCRYPHA) for their people to "safely" read, ONE other reason it is a Cult: They forbid Reading of Various other Books especially if from other denominations, This is SAFE theirs is UNSAFE.......
(if any system forbids a challenge then that system = cult too)

WOW THAT IS CULTIST BEHAVIOR, if their system is ROCK solid?!?
then it could stand the test of weighing against all other systems, couldn't it?!?

Unfortunately it cannot stand in the Great light of The Bible

It hates ALL the things of God that's why it has a Counterfeit for everything.

Even a Counterfeit New Covenant
Their commandments delete the Second Commandment About Idolatry, because Their Church Kisses and prays to Idols.

God's Original Holy Commandments are the New Covenant!

Hebrews 8:13........ written on God's Peoples Hearts & Minds
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Opie Your Daughter shouldn't be Pushed into Baptism Its a personal Choice When the Time is Right for Her she will want to do it.(forcing people isn't The Will of Jesus)