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| catsup (OP) User ID: 12471074 United States04/10/2013 09:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Golden dawn website doesn't have an English section here is an attempted to translation from Greek of their political manifesto. WHAT BEING A GOLDEN-DAWNER MEANS 1) I embrace the third major ideology of history, the one that is the most rooted in the history of my people. Opposed both to communist internationalism and universalism-liberalism. 2) I embrace the need for a state founded and built based on this ideology that nourishes and guides continuously our lives as individuals and as a society. A state that constantly serves the eternal revolutionary principles of the nationalist worldview, with the ultimate goal of forming a new society and a new type of man. 3) I embrace the moral imperatives arising from my worldview and aim to a radical renewal of the obsolete and counterfeit social values. My ideology is not looking to salvage anything from the installed economic and social interests that lead nations, peoples and cultures in decline. So I'm an enemy of every power that perpetuates this sepsis that finds foothold in plutocracy. Whether this power is a military-financial dictatorship or a parliamentary dictatorship. Because those are the two sides of the same coin, and their purpose is tearing down national identity. 4) I 'm aware that nationalism is the only absolute and true revolution because it seeks the birth of new ethical, spiritual, social and mental values. The right and left solutions supposedly fighting each other, are just a fake theater of two partners who perpetuate the dominance of cosmopolitan internationalists, anti-national and anti-social forces. 5) I believe the only state that serves correctly it's historical role is the social state, where political power comes from the people, without party promoters. Nationalism sees people not only as a numerical entity of individuals but as a qualitative synthesis of people with the same biological and spiritual heritage, which is the source of all creation and expresses its power in the social state. The only state that can represent the people as an organic and spiritual living whole. 6) The polticians on both the right and the left are deliberately lying, democracy means rule of the people, and therefore the society that is comprised of people of common origin (definition of Citizen in Classical Athens). The social state of nationalism is the only direct democracy. The state were the people are the only reality and do not need authority but leadership. The People are the real sovereign and rule themselves through their leader. So the social state can fulfill the only possible equality (derived from thought and that is not of natural, but human cultural - political creation), equal opportunities. In contrast to the transient and fleeting majority of parliamentary governing, the will of the people is the supreme law, and obedience to it results in true justice from the whole to every unit. ...... 7) I realize that in the social state of the nationalist ideology exists the ultimate equality and the politically structured social equality. In the social state there is no social stratification based on income-economic classes. The social classes are collaborating organically groups of people with different abilities and production skills each, just like in a living body. The different systems contribute harmonically and in full cooperation for their survival. Solidarity is the rule of the social state for the relations between social-organic classes. The few people who have burgled their organic relationship with the people are the members of "plutocratic oligarchy" with their cosmopolitanism, and members of the leading groups of "Bolshevik party-union oligarchy" with their internationalism. The oligarchies of money and the tyranny of political parties are the same- enemies of the Nation and the People. 8) I am an enemy of vast exploitative wealth, either locally or internationalist, and a champion of small family ownership like the "kleros" or "temenos" of our ancestors. Money is a mean of necessity, not a governing principle of life or the purpose of it. The ultimate goal of the social state is the elimination of tiered false-value of money and the controlled use of it as a trading mean. The state should have control over private property so that it is not dangerous for the survival of the People or can manipulate them. The economy should be planned so that it serves the national policy and ensures the maximum self-sufficiency without dependence on international markets and control of any multinational companies. 9) I believe that the state, the social state, is the political organization of the nation and that the nation exists from itself without being an invention. It is an automatic spiritual fact that springs from the existence of the People, it is a reality that is based on the existence of the People. Whether or not the People realize the extent and depth of its existence, the Nation is the highest spiritual entity. The People are born from the tribes, the types of a race and its existence gives birth to the nation as a superior spiritual manifestation (moral, cultural, religious). Derived from the people, the nation - race, needs to be strengthened and developed through the state. It may exist without a state but will be steadily declining (See the national rise of the Greeks after 4 centuries of subjugation and lack of state). So I understand that international communism and liberal cosmopolitanism are undermining the nation by stirring up class divisions. 10) I believe in the importance of society, the whole community of the People, not the individual. The individual acquires a face and forms it's shape, it's "I" identity through the "We" of the total. Individuals do not have historical significance as opposed to the people who are condensations spacetime of special qualities of the People and the Nation. A person can only be one who completes the socialization through capability, as harmonious comition of social and individual values. This superior type of person is a new kind of person that nationalism seeks to create. 11) I honor and respect the tradition because it consists all the aspects of beauty and the good that occurred and revealed in history. While grounded in tradition I seek the new creation, the incessant evolution. 12) The social state of nationalism delivers social equality of opportunities grounded in meritocracy and does not ignore the law of diversity and difference in nature. Respecting the spiritual, ethnic and racial inequality of men we can build a society with egalitarian laws. This egalitarian laws are the proof of the moral transgression of nationalism and show that there is no legal modulation to protect the naturally existing institutional inequalities that are an integral part of nature and life. In contrast to this, the social - national state gives the same margin of enhancement and sealing to every different element of existence. So, as a nationalist, I fight all forms of destructive policies (regarding nations, races, men), and any false inequality and oligarchy (money, party, perversion). "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." Hunter S. 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| I am he that is I User ID: 36051634 United States04/10/2013 10:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Concepts of magic and ritual at the center of contemporary traditions, such as Wicca and Thelema, were inspired by the Golden Dawn. [link to en.wikipedia.org] That which eludes us is not what is unknown, but rather what has been forgotten. |
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| catsup (OP) User ID: 12471074 United States04/10/2013 10:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You think there were no africans in greece before the 90's Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37625644 Someone needs a history lesson. African immigrants arrived in 1997 but most of them came during the 2000s. [link to en.wikipedia.org] "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." Hunter S. Thompson |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 37625644 United Kingdom04/10/2013 10:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what does their ideologies say about hitting women? On live tv.... You're supporting a thoroughly fascist organisation, targeting it's propaganda to people who want a change to the very serious economic problems in europe. We have a similar party in the uk under the banner of the british national party. they've learned to talk like politicians, and some even seem sincere - but underneath it they're only after the votes they know they'll get from fascist pieces of shit like themselves. |
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| catsup (OP) User ID: 12471074 United States04/10/2013 10:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what does their ideologies say about hitting women? On live tv.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37625644 You're supporting a thoroughly fascist organisation, targeting it's propaganda to people who want a change to the very serious economic problems in europe. We have a similar party in the uk under the banner of the british national party. they've learned to talk like politicians, and some even seem sincere - but underneath it they're only after the votes they know they'll get from fascist pieces of shit like themselves. That fucking communist, lesbian fucking deserved it! I am a Brit, I moved to the states but when I lived around Yorkshire and the North East I was a member of the BNP and I supported Combat 18 in the 90's... Last Edited by catsup on 04/10/2013 10:28 AM "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." Hunter S. Thompson |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 37625644 United Kingdom04/10/2013 10:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You think there were no africans in greece before the 90's Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37625644 Someone needs a history lesson. African immigrants arrived in 1997 but most of them came during the 2000s. [link to en.wikipedia.org] ah yes wikipedia.... you seem to have missed out the point where that page mentions that there have been records of africans in greece since the ottoman era. not that I need a shitty wiki page to tell me the history of the country I know almost as good as my own. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 37625644 United Kingdom04/10/2013 10:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what does their ideologies say about hitting women? On live tv.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37625644 You're supporting a thoroughly fascist organisation, targeting it's propaganda to people who want a change to the very serious economic problems in europe. We have a similar party in the uk under the banner of the british national party. they've learned to talk like politicians, and some even seem sincere - but underneath it they're only after the votes they know they'll get from fascist pieces of shit like themselves. That fucking communist, lesbian fucking deserved it! I am a Brit, I moved to the states but when I lived around West Yorkshire I was a member of the BNP and I supported Combat 18 in the 90's... well there's obviously no getting through to you, you're a lost cause and someone who I'd pity enormously if I knew you personally. have a nice life. |
| catsup (OP) User ID: 12471074 United States04/10/2013 10:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You think there were no africans in greece before the 90's Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37625644 Someone needs a history lesson. African immigrants arrived in 1997 but most of them came during the 2000s. [link to en.wikipedia.org] ah yes wikipedia.... you seem to have missed out the point where that page mentions that there have been records of africans in greece since the ottoman era. not that I need a shitty wiki page to tell me the history of the country I know almost as good as my own. But they are not talking about historic immigration, they are against the current wave of African immigration that started in the late 90's. "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." Hunter S. Thompson |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 37714428  Hong Kong04/10/2013 10:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have started to support this group because Golden Dawn is one of the only forces in Europe that opposes the neo-liberal international finance (Zionists) which destroys nations, but the media simply portrays them as "racists" or "Nazis" who hate people of color. They never tell you that Golden Dawn has existed for over 20 years, since before there were any African immigrants in Greece. Quoting: catsup Syriza states they are against the bailout/cuts but really they are just another social democratic party that would keep gay rights, Islamic immigration and capitalism, and wants to stay in the Euro, so there is no alternative. From what I can see only Golden Dawn truly defends the interests of the Greeks. The Golden Dawn MPs donated most their salaries to provide food for the people. Do you see New Democracy/Syriza doing that? Of course not, they want to grow fat off the people's suffering and are puppets of the banks. Uhh...you are a right-winger so of course when you are honest with yourself, you side with fascism. |
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| catsup (OP) User ID: 4874542 United States04/10/2013 10:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You sick bastard, my daughter is 9 years old! I will have a mod ban your IP you sick pedo. Who goes around saying sick stuff like this? "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." Hunter S. Thompson |
| Starknight User ID: 33519311  Venezuela04/10/2013 10:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This sounds like a fancy name for a marxist organization, just like Greenpeace. 1 John 1–3._ 1Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. @Starknight921 |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 11995984 United States04/10/2013 11:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have started to support this group because Golden Dawn is one of the only forces in Europe that opposes the neo-liberal international finance (Zionists) which destroys nations, but the media simply portrays them as "racists" or "Nazis" who hate people of color. They never tell you that Golden Dawn has existed for over 20 years, since before there were any African immigrants in Greece. Quoting: catsup Syriza states they are against the bailout/cuts but really they are just another social democratic party that would keep gay rights, Islamic immigration and capitalism, and wants to stay in the Euro, so there is no alternative. From what I can see only Golden Dawn truly defends the interests of the Greeks. The Golden Dawn MPs donated most their salaries to provide food for the people. Do you see New Democracy/Syriza doing that? Of course not, they want to grow fat off the people's suffering and are puppets of the banks. just remember controlled opposition, then you will understand why Ron Paul was made famous and a contestant against the 'evil' of dems and repubs... actors all of them! you'll nvr get your way! |
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| catsup (OP) User ID: 4874542 United States04/10/2013 12:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hopefully Golden Dawn like revolutions will start all around Europe. Next Spain, then Portugal, Italy, Germany. Hook nosed bankers must really be nervous in Europe these days. "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." Hunter S. Thompson |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 11934995  Canada04/10/2013 12:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what does their ideologies say about hitting women? On live tv.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37625644 You're supporting a thoroughly fascist organisation, targeting it's propaganda to people who want a change to the very serious economic problems in europe. We have a similar party in the uk under the banner of the british national party. they've learned to talk like politicians, and some even seem sincere - but underneath it they're only after the votes they know they'll get from fascist pieces of shit like themselves. That fucking communist, lesbian fucking deserved it! I am a Brit, I moved to the states but when I lived around Yorkshire and the North East I was a member of the BNP and I supported Combat 18 in the 90's... Does INS know that? |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 11934995 Canada04/10/2013 12:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what does their ideologies say about hitting women? On live tv.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37625644 You're supporting a thoroughly fascist organisation, targeting it's propaganda to people who want a change to the very serious economic problems in europe. We have a similar party in the uk under the banner of the british national party. they've learned to talk like politicians, and some even seem sincere - but underneath it they're only after the votes they know they'll get from fascist pieces of shit like themselves. That fucking communist, lesbian fucking deserved it! I am a Brit, I moved to the states but when I lived around Yorkshire and the North East I was a member of the BNP and I supported Combat 18 in the 90's... Does INS know that? Because I bet they'd be interested: Combat 18 (C18) is a neo-Nazi terrorist organisation associated with the Blood and Honour organisation, based on the principles of "leaderless resistance". It originated in England but has since spread to other countries. Members of Combat 18 have been suspected in numerous deaths of immigrants, non-whites, and other C18 members. The 18 in its name is derived from the initials of Adolf Hitler: A and H are the first and eighth letters of the Latin alphabet. Combat 18 members are barred from joining the British Prison Service and police. [link to en.wikipedia.org] |
| catsup (OP) User ID: 4874542 United States04/10/2013 12:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hopefully Golden Dawn like revolutions will start all around Europe. Next Spain, then Portugal, Italy, Germany. Hook nosed bankers must really be nervous in Europe these days. Quoting: catsup Did your daughter come out as retarded as you? fy/pm don't you have a car to tow? "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." Hunter S. Thompson |
| catsup (OP) User ID: 4874542 United States04/10/2013 12:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what does their ideologies say about hitting women? On live tv.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37625644 You're supporting a thoroughly fascist organisation, targeting it's propaganda to people who want a change to the very serious economic problems in europe. We have a similar party in the uk under the banner of the british national party. they've learned to talk like politicians, and some even seem sincere - but underneath it they're only after the votes they know they'll get from fascist pieces of shit like themselves. That fucking communist, lesbian fucking deserved it! I am a Brit, I moved to the states but when I lived around Yorkshire and the North East I was a member of the BNP and I supported Combat 18 in the 90's... Does INS know that? Because I bet they'd be interested: Combat 18 (C18) is a neo-Nazi terrorist organisation associated with the Blood and Honour organisation, based on the principles of "leaderless resistance". It originated in England but has since spread to other countries. Members of Combat 18 have been suspected in numerous deaths of immigrants, non-whites, and other C18 members. The 18 in its name is derived from the initials of Adolf Hitler: A and H are the first and eighth letters of the Latin alphabet. Combat 18 members are barred from joining the British Prison Service and police. [link to en.wikipedia.org] NO! Last Edited by catsup on 04/10/2013 12:20 PM "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." Hunter S. Thompson |
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