IF BORN AGAIN PROTESTANTS ARE GOD'S TRUE RELIGION WHY DIDN'T GOD INVENT THEM EARLIER?

what about Judaism, doesn't that make Catholicism illegitimate?

thats not true God has people in all places even Islam... Not only does the bible say God delivered the Jews but it also says he delivered Egyptians and Assyrians... so enough with that bullshit...

What Born Again people are saying is most churches are a fraud... even some of their own... which they are... you know it so do I.... so stop with you Religion bating we know who you are...

all people can become born again, even those who know nothing of any religion. It is all in the hearts.

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Hello, Catholic weren't first, the believers that were from the Jews were, they weren't Catholic. Then there were the Greek Orthodox, and just follower after Christ who were spreading the word, a lot of them were murder by the Roman and then the Roman Catholic church! They the believer are closer to what Jesus taught than the Catholics, they used to be called by another name that I can't spell right now it started with a P.

The Chinese had a Christian Church before the Catholics, in fact there were in Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Iran etc.. Oh England before the Roman Church got there!

You know I've always wondered the same thing.

I'm protestant and I don't think you're going to Hell nor do I think I'm better than you. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. Catholics do and so they are. I do think though that I am better off than you. I am operating under the power of God because my physical body is literally possessed by God. It simply means God sends His spirit to be inside your body and then you can hear His voice and leading. No one ever told me that, that that was supposed to happen to you, and it made me really angry that something so important isn't explicitly explained to people. I found out by accident when I was really mad because I was accused of a crime I did not commit and was arrested and put in jail. I was soooo mad and upset sitting in a jail cell and I prayed hard and wanted God to slap everyone who was involved in this great injustice. So I prayed like that....send me the power of the Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus. That was in 1996. It has never left me and never will. You can be born again as a Catholic. You don't need the priests permission. You pray don't you? Simply ask God to send you the power of the Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus. You will know when you receive it. You have a knowing and can feel the presence of God in the fleshy part of your heart. You will have an urge to do things you didn't before, this is the leading of the spirit of God to make His plan for your life take shape. You also need to know that this is just a beginning of salvation, the salvation "package" I like to call it. Its like an engagement where a girl gets a ring and the grand finale is about to happen, I believe this year or early next year where we become fully the Sons of God and manifestation of Acts 3:21 takes hold, the restoration of all things, making us as Adam was before the fall of man. An amazing event of biblical proportion is about happen and you don't want to miss it. All it costs is a heart felt prayer. Don't wait.

All THE Non-Catholic Churches are Considered "Protestant"
Yet today they protest Very Little about anything

Their founders All protested against the Pagan rites inside the Catholic System which is why they came "out of Her",

They all were in agreement that Rome was the Beast/Nation of Revelation/Daniel and The Anti-Christ System
[The Fake Counterfeit Christian system of Religious works]
that would be in place until Christ's Return

People Who think that the Catholic Church is the First Church Need to re-read their Bibles their Were many different Churches in Different places, Ethiopia for example kept the Sabbath up into 800 AD
(The Apostle Matthew Had Shared the Gospel with them)

And the Roman Army's Crushed them for Keeping the Scriptural Sabbath and Not Romes Counterfeit [Sun]Sabbath-Day

If your looking for Protestants before Martin Luther Than you should Study about The Waldenses They were hunted and others by The Roman Church for Having The Scriptures, (which is where the Geneva and KJV Bibles Came from)

What was different about The Catholic Church
(and still is today) it allowed idols or Statue veneration as you might know it, they adopted the Pagan rituals of ALL the Religions that were in Rome,

That is why they Have The Egyptian Mithra-tic Sun Host (Eucharist), The Prayer Beads, Sign of The Cross, Candles and Masses for The Dead, Prayers for The Dead, Worshiped of dead saints and Dead Mary are all customs that predate Christ, The only things that changed were the names of the deity's involved

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The Reason Martin Luther Left The Church was because of "indulgences" Which is still a doctrine that Rome Supports today, The ability to Pay for the Act of Sinning, This Rubbed Luther The wrong way and when He Saw that Rome would Never Change He left it and never looked back

He stated That "Grace was a Gift from God, Not of Indulgences, purchased" He found the concept sickening(as do I)

Others left because they saw how out of Line Rome was with The Gospel of Christ and came to the conclusion that One would have to pick "the traditions of Rome"
or
"The Commandments of God"

religions are the mechanism for salvation.
in the old testament days there was no salvation.
everyone went to hell.
that's why salvation is NEVER mentioned in the old testament.
then God decided to save people and created heaven so he sent Jesus to give humanity the GOOD NEWS.
Jesus said : I have invented salvation for you so I am the WAY. you can only get saved thru me.
but he said : you must go and spread the gospel to all the corners of the earth so the other races of people can also be saved and learn the good news.
so Christian converts were made to go door to door and preach the good news.
that's why Jesus invented the Mormons and the jehova's witness.
then the catholics started getting a bit too cocky so Jesus had to start a a new religion and they are called born again and they use the Holy Spirit.
then the born again start get a bit too cocky with the holy spirit and collect 10% tithings but they don't give it to the poor like the catholics did, but they spend it on themselves with big churches, cars and mansions and jets.
so now Jesus will start a new simple religion to get back to basic and he will come again on a white horse to teach how is done and all the born again will be ruptured and taken away in hell.

the bible states the true religion in the sight of god is taking care of widows and orphans in their distress and to keep oneself unstained by the world. so you see sir you are mistaken and the protestants are mistaken because neither you nor them know the scriptures or the power of god.

He was too busy fucking with the Israelites

Did you forget about Pentecost?

Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. Acts 2:41

Catholic and Protestant had done horrible deeds in history.

They are always at war against each other.

Take NI for a FACT.

Catholic..christian..all the same.

They all agree on these points and act accordingly.



1) They are ALL convinced THEY are right and all the others are wrong.

2)They are all certain..and voice this much and as often as thay can..that the ones who are "Wrong" will be tortured forever by whatever brand of bi polar sadistic god they worship.

3)They all use fear and terror to control their members
EG:-"Do as this law/teaching/guru/pastor/book/priest/sermon ect suggests or you will be cursed/burned alive forever/smitten/come under demonic attack/end up possessed/ ect.

4)They are all about CONTROL..control of your money..of your mind..of your actions/words/life and they all impose guilt and fear as "punishment" if you dont tow the line.

5)They are all about money..it always comes down to CASH..and if you dont hand it over they label you a "God robber"..you are robbing God..and thus come under the punishments/threats made in point 3.

6)They all use "LOVE" as the bait to get you in..mixed with "Fear" of some sort of terrible DOOM if you dont join them. Thenonce they have you the LOVE stops..and the DOOM increases..till you are left a mindless fear controlled zombie..arrogant and proud and self righteous..and the victim..who then being fully "Indoctrinated" after a time...then beleives point 1 completely..and proceesd to inflict steps 2 to 5 on other prospective victims.

Any religion or creed thast uses these techniques are opertaing under the precepts of what you would term "Darkness"..or "Evil" because evil, by its very nature, runs and feeds and grows stronger on fear and control.

The PTB use these same techniques.

Fear of terroists..the feeling of being "Special" and of the "Elite" if you tow the line..protected by their umbrella of "Control" of almost every aspect of your lves.

Thats because the PTB as you all know by now are all "Luciferian" in nature and practice...and use fear..control..cashflow(So long as its flowing THIER way)..and terrible consequesnces if you dont "Measure up" to their parameters.

So..if the PTB use these same techniques...and you all foster a rather healthy dislike for the way they "Control" things..then why do so many who voice such an opinion of them..end up following the SAME system under the guise of "Religion" which as you can clearly see are all based and run on the percepts of "Evil"?

Lets say for example a person really WANTS to do evil..they lust and fight and hate..they have an evil evil heart..they are greedy..want everything their way..want everything to be all cushy and nice while they do what they WANT to do without concequence.

But then they are told if they do this..some horrible fate will befall them..either outright death or eternal torture in the next life..and curses and trouble in THIS life..

Now..that rocks their boat..they want their cake..and want to eat it. But now the fear factore is brought into it..as they are told if they keep being an evil greedy cunt they will suffer.

So off they go..looking for an "OUT"..a way to KEEP being selfish and greeedy but never having to face the consequences of it.

So they find a "religion"..out of FEAR of what will happen to them if they dont.


They are still evil on the inside..nothing has changed..but now they think "If I read the bible enough..quote enough scriptures..pray enough and go to church enough..perhaps I can still be a smug self rightous shit..but get to heaven and save my ass."

So its still a SELFISH thing they do..they are still evil..except they have excused their selfishness and evil by being taught the ever popular saying "We are not perfect..just forgiven"

BUT..a GOOD person NEEDS no fear or manipulation to be good to their neighbour and not be a selfish greedy cunt. They dont have to be FORCED into doing what they dont want to do like the evil man has to be. They love people by nature..and do good because good IS already in them.

They dont need the luciferian fear and guilt...as that sort of thing ONLY seems to work on people who WANT to be evil..but without the price that comes with it..death or eternal torture..as they are "Told"

that's the stupidest goddamn thing i've ever heard

accuracy does not come from chronology

Pentecostal christianity was just a passing fad that peaked 10 years ago.
their congregations are now in steep decline.
it was a cult drawing on demonic powers they called holy spirit. they are in fact demons that make them contort and fall on the floor and do strange things, nothing to do with God.
Catholic religion is still around and strong after 2000 years.
they are the original and the best

No way is Protestantism the same or even a bit like
Catholicism. Protestants starting October 31, 1517 (telling
date) have rejected most of God's revelation and the greatest means to His grace.

Example....

If you could have bread and wine, juice or crackers OR receive
God Himself in the most Holy Eucharist which would you choose?

Just asking...

ummm.. Yeshua HIMSELF said you must be "born again".... this "Protestantism you speak of was FOUNDED BY YESHUA!

Please, please, remember, do not take God's name in vain. It
is a Commandment!

My brothers do the same, I lecture them. Try, no more, ask
God's help.

Jesus and the Apostolic Fathers, they all agree with Our Lord, "Born again" is WATER BAPTISM. Jesus explained to Nicodemus the meaning of "born again." Check, further on in John, chapter 3, it says in verse 22, Our Lord went out with the Apostles and baptized.

Where is the water in the new Protestant meaning of "born again?"

Protestant = Reformed Roman Catholic

Catholic = Mystery Bablyonian


Real Christians are Real Christians.

Caffs, Orthos, Proddies, none of them are Christians but a bunch of Mystery Babylonians.

Notice OP, no one has answered your question. Tee..hee.
It is going to take God Himself to show our brothers and
sisters in Christ.

Oh what a day that will be.

God have nothing to do with religion, you stupid goofballs.

Jesus was never in any religion but with QuMran which is a group, an essence to help all mankind and against anything negative.

Daniel, Ezekial (peace be unto them) and many other prophets/prophetess and seers are from the Holy QuMran.

NOT THE UNHOLY QU'RAN or UNHOLY ISLAM spews lied.

thats funny op..good title..lol

"..including us original catholics."

You mean the baby-phucking Catholics of the 'King James' version.. or the goat-phucking Catholics of the 'Genevan' translation.?

You will love this video of Pope John Paul II.

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Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Born Again Christians existed long before your filthy whore abomination catholic church.

you mean the Jehovah Witness?
they are the chosen 144,000
hand picked by God Jehovah Himself personally thruout the ages. They are all virgins and never been defiled by women

Catholics want heaven on Earth.
Protestants want to make it to heaven after the tribulation.

Don't get so angry, Our Lord loves everyone and wishes to save
all souls. "Soon", the word Heaven is using, God is going to
personally ask all the world, everyone on earth to become Roman Catholic.

This is going to happen before the anti-Christ denies, tries
to abolish the Eucharist.

Remember, it is so important.

Another help, when you discover something new, better, it motivates a person to change.

Pray, pray, pray.


God bless you,

Whoops, didn't realize Protestants had an organized church and preacher.

REAL CHRISTIANS want to make it to heaven after the tribulation.