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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 50727568 Canada03/03/2014 10:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey, its doctor shillstro. You banned me from posting on all of your threads for calling you a butt hurt shill that is even shillier than bpearthwatch. Ahh, i recall that you replied to my post with something along the lines of "go fuck yourself". Those words alone have infinitely proved my statements on how you are a butt hurt shill. But you had to take it one step further didn't you? You just had to show the world how ass ravaged you truly are by banning me from posting on your threads.   |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 21101049 United States03/03/2014 10:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Since NewThor has me on his Nixonian enemies list I'm barred from posting on his thread: Quoting: Reality420 [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] This is a response to his laughable collection of errors and misinfo he's doling out again. In his vid he states, "Now, from March 5th to March 12th we have ... 18., that's 18 near earth asteroids in 7 days. That's 18 near earth asteroids in 1 week." Hold it! Hold it! Hold it! Did I hear that right? March 5 through March 12 is 7 days in NewThor's world? 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 It's actually 8 days to those of us living in this universe. NewThor must be using Russ's NJ Calendar; or, he can't count. I guess he missed class the day the number line was discussed in 2nd grade. Let's continue with the genius' ravings. He discusses their size using, of course, the largest estimate as his values and peppers his mindless litany with comments such as "Man!" and "Crazy". He's clearly impressed by the size of these asteroids for some reason even though they fly by at 20, 60, 70 times the distance to the moon. It's almost like he's never looked at the NEA listings before. "So it does look like we have an uptick of influx of near earth asteroids. I ain't sayin' DOOM! but... " Let us take a look at that statement, shall we? How accurate is it and did NewThor do any research before coming to this conclusion or is he just starting a disinfo rumour? Here's where he gets his list for 18 NEAs in 8 days (which he thinks is really 7 days): [link to neo.jpl.nasa.gov] Here they are: Name____Date of Close Approach_____Nominal distance in AU (2014 DP21) 2014-Mar-05 0.0274 (2014 DX110) 2014-Mar-05 0.0023 (2014 DO7) 2014-Mar-06 0.0704 138127 (2000 EE14) 2014-Mar-06 0.1659 (2014 DH10) 2014-Mar-07 0.0748 (2014 DJ80) 2014-Mar-07 0.0501 (2014 CP13) 2014-Mar-07 0.0794 (2008 AH33) 2014-Mar-08 0.1866 (2013 YR2) 2014-Mar-08 0.0762 357622 (2005 EY95) 2014-Mar-09 0.0681 (2005 EY169) 2014-Mar-09 0.1056 (2004 DA53) 2014-Mar-11 0.1258 (2014 CU13) 2014-Mar-11 0.0206 275677 (2000 RS11) 2014-Mar-11 0.0352 (2012 RJ15) 2014-Mar-12 0.1119 (2014 DJ23) 2014-Mar-12 0.0419 (2002 SZ) 2014-Mar-12 0.1059 (2001 SQ3) 2014-Mar-12 0.1871 18 events with some as far as 0.1871AU (73 Lunar distances) Lets go to the Close-Approach Tables link from this page to get here: [link to neo.jpl.nasa.gov] Now we'll just search the past for NEAs that came < 0.2AU nominal distance. This is easy. Surely NewThor has done this minimal amount of research before he makes a vid stating that 18 NEAs in 8 days is an "uptick of influx", right? Here are some of the results found for 8 day periods: (2012 DY43) 2014-Feb-21 0.0403 (2014 BB3) 2014-Feb-21 0.1164 (2014 DK10) 2014-Feb-21 0.0017 (1995 CR) 2014-Feb-21 0.0197 (1999 SK10) 2014-Feb-21 0.1838 (2014 DF10) 2014-Feb-21 0.0703 (2014 DG) 2014-Feb-21 0.1166 (2014 BX2) 2014-Feb-20 0.1635 (2014 DE23) 2014-Feb-20 0.0117 (2014 BR57) 2014-Feb-20 0.0112 (2014 DJ10) 2014-Feb-19 0.1457 (2014 CE13) 2014-Feb-19 0.0889 85953 (1999 FK21) 2014-Feb-18 0.1910 (2000 EM26) 2014-Feb-18 0.0227 (2014 DG23) 2014-Feb-17 0.0550 (2014 DG6) 2014-Feb-17 0.1646 (2014 DR21) 2014-Feb-17 0.0630 (2008 BP16) 2014-Feb-17 0.1672 (2014 DB) 2014-Feb-16 0.0347 (2014 DC) 2014-Feb-16 0.0146 (2014 DW17) 2014-Feb-15 0.0144 (2014 CB13) 2014-Feb-15 0.0526 (2014 BQ43) 2014-Feb-15 0.0548 (2007 BG) 2014-Feb-14 0.1476 (2014 CG13) 2014-Feb-14 0.0774 25 events (2014 BT57) 2014-Jan-26 0.0503 (2013 PD21) 2014-Jan-26 0.1606 (2014 BX57) 2014-Jan-26 0.0172 (2014 BP8) 2014-Jan-26 0.0100 (2014 BE3) 2014-Jan-26 0.0804 (2014 BA3) 2014-Jan-26 0.0151 (2014 BU32) 2014-Jan-25 0.0757 (2006 AL4) 2014-Jan-25 0.0511 (2014 BZ2) 2014-Jan-24 0.0153 (2012 VU76) 2014-Jan-24 0.1441 (2010 GR33) 2014-Jan-24 0.1168 (2013 XV8) 2014-Jan-23 0.1070 (2013 NC15) 2014-Jan-23 0.0695 (2013 YS2) 2014-Jan-23 0.0561 (2014 BL25) 2014-Jan-22 0.1360 (2014 BT8) 2014-Jan-22 0.0111 251346 (2007 SJ) 2014-Jan-21 0.0486 (2014 BS) 2014-Jan-21 0.0535 (2014 BQ) 2014-Jan-21 0.0693 (2008 CL20) 2014-Jan-20 0.1780 277570 (2005 YP180) 2014-Jan-20 0.0783 (2014 BR8) 2014-Jan-19 0.0524 385843 (2006 JY25) 2014-Jan-19 0.1746 (2014 BR) 2014-Jan-19 0.0785 (2014 BG25) 2014-Jan-19 0.0595 25 events (2013 YF) 2013-Dec-27 0.1522 (2013 YA14) 2013-Dec-27 0.0340 (2013 WV45) 2013-Dec-27 0.0611 (2014 AB16) 2013-Dec-27 0.0304 (2013 YC14) 2013-Dec-26 0.0295 (2009 WA105) 2013-Dec-26 0.1894 (2013 YM2) 2013-Dec-24 0.0296 (2013 YB14) 2013-Dec-24 0.0493 (2013 YJ48) 2013-Dec-24 0.0163 (2013 WD44) 2013-Dec-23 0.0595 (2013 YY102) 2013-Dec-23 0.0521 (2013 YB) 2013-Dec-23 .00018 380818 (2005 YV128) 2013-Dec-23 0.1722 (2014 DS22) 2013-Dec-23 0.1075 (2013 XA4) 2013-Dec-22 0.1124 (2013 XV18) 2013-Dec-21 0.1318 (2012 XL16) 2013-Dec-21 0.1290 (2013 YQ2) 2013-Dec-21 0.0109 (2013 YG) 2013-Dec-20 0.0402 (2013 YW102) 2013-Dec-20 0.1436 (2014 AG16) 2013-Dec-20 0.0497 (2012 CL19) 2013-Dec-20 0.0976 (2013 WR45) 2013-Dec-20 0.0447 23 events (2013 NE19) 2013-Jul-22 0.0283 (2007 XY9) 2013-Jul-22 0.0759 (2013 NC24) 2013-Jul-22 0.0394 (2013 NL10) 2013-Jul-22 0.1004 (2013 BN18) 2013-Jul-22 0.0646 (2011 WU95) 2013-Jul-21 0.1090 (2013 NP8) 2013-Jul-21 0.1418 (2013 PC7) 2013-Jul-21 0.1048 (2013 ND15) 2013-Jul-20 0.1524 (2013 OY3) 2013-Jul-20 0.0243 (2013 PF21) 2013-Jul-20 0.0970 (2013 LF16) 2013-Jul-20 0.1373 (2011 KP16) 2013-Jul-18 0.0895 (2012 AM10) 2013-Jul-18 0.0521 (2013 NS13) 2013-Jul-18 0.0408 153349 (2001 PJ9) 2013-Jul-17 0.0751 (2010 AF3) 2013-Jul-17 0.0552 (2013 NP11) 2013-Jul-17 0.1528 (2013 NB15) 2013-Jul-15 0.0282 (2010 AF30) 2013-Jul-15 0.0457 (2013 OG) 2013-Jul-15 0.1368 21 events 267223 (2001 DQ8) 2013-Apr-30 0.1910 (2013 JP4) 2013-Apr-30 0.0387 (2013 HH19) 2013-Apr-30 0.0438 (2010 FM) 2013-Apr-30 0.1239 (2007 VZ2) 2013-Apr-29 0.1296 242643 (2005 NZ6) 2013-Apr-29 0.0640 (2013 JF1) 2013-Apr-29 0.0255 (2013 HG19) 2013-Apr-29 0.0640 (2000 UY33) 2013-Apr-27 0.1490 (2013 HM11) 2013-Apr-27 0.1437 (2013 HP11) 2013-Apr-27 0.0328 (2013 HN11) 2013-Apr-27 0.1808 (2013 HL11) 2013-Apr-27 0.1618 (2013 GE55) 2013-Apr-26 0.0688 (2013 GK69) 2013-Apr-25 0.0347 (2013 LB) 2013-Apr-25 0.0725 (2013 HK11) 2013-Apr-24 0.1937 (2013 EL28) 2013-Apr-23 0.1522 (2012 HP13) 2013-Apr-23 0.1150 (2011 EH17) 2013-Apr-23 0.1032 (2013 JC) 2013-Apr-23 0.0280 (2010 CE55) 2013-Apr-23 0.0834 (2013 JS17) 2013-Apr-23 0.1055 23 events plus many, many more. Geeze, it seems that 18 events in 8 days is not at all unusual and if anything is on the low side of what can be found virtually every month. Either NewThor didn't do any research or he's dispensing disinfo. In any event, I think it is safe to say that his research isn't to be trusted in the least... on anything. This failure to do any research or ignore the results if the research was done isn't new to him. In another of his recent threads he claims that comet 209P/Linear is "The Closest* Comet on Record to pass Earth!!!" He does hedge this statement that someone may show up and debunk that statement. Sure enough, trusty ol' Hydra did the 10 seconds of research that NewThor seems incapable of and came up with this: [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] "209P/LINEAR - closest approach to Earth = 0.055 AU [link to lmgtfy.com] [link to cometography.com] From that list 209P isn't even in the top ten. Ouch - It seems you still don't know, how to do your homework." An 8 year old would think to do a Google search for the words comet+close+approach+earth to start their research into the question if 209P was "The Closest". Unfortunately that seems beyond NT's abilities. Be careful where you get your info from and always check the sources. As one of NewThor's info sources, BPEarthwatch, likes to say... "Heads up." R. kOOks lie. Constantly. It's part of the job description.  |
| Dr. Astro Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 48376296 United States03/03/2014 10:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey, its doctor shillstro. You banned me from posting on all of your threads for calling you a butt hurt shill that is even shillier than bpearthwatch. Ahh, i recall that you replied to my post with something along the lines of "go fuck yourself". Those words alone have infinitely proved my statements on how you are a butt hurt shill. But you had to take it one step further didn't you? You just had to show the world how ass ravaged you truly are by banning me from posting on your threads. I'm sorry, maybe I've overlooked it; where's the substantive argument?  |
| Hydra User ID: 49884084  Germany03/06/2014 05:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 7 Near Earth Objects March 6th-7th. Quoting: NewThor 6 were found in 2014. You should pull your head out of your ass and stop circle jerking to confirmation bias. 9 Near Earth Objects March 5th-6th 2013 8 were found in 2013 Do you really think your "discovery" is different from previous years, NewTard? I don't see any uptick in the numbers of NEOs. I only see an uptick in the outgasing of stupidium in asteroid-doom threads. . PS And again NewTard didn't do his homework: [link to neo.jpl.nasa.gov] . Last Edited by Hydra on 03/06/2014 05:09 PM :ase26122019: Annular Solar Eclipse - December 26, 2019 - Kannur, Kerala, India |
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| Reality420 User ID: 32261740 United States03/06/2014 11:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 7 Near Earth Objects March 6th-7th. Quoting: NewThor 6 were found in 2014. You should pull your head out of your ass and stop circle jerking to confirmation bias. You stopped crying and finished with your tantrum already? I'll see your 7 Near Earth Objects March 6th-7th, 2014 and raise you -- 8 more Near Earth Objects. That is a total of 15 Near Earth Objects in 2 days. September 28 & 29, 2013 with close approaches <= 0.1548 AU. Repeat: That's 15 NEAs in 2 days last year and nobody even noticed. They kinda' make your piddling little 7 look anemic, don't they? Your asteroid DOOM!!! juju is weak and, frankly, stupid; but then again, one must consider the source. You should sharpen that pointy head of yours so you can slide it further up BPEarthwatch's colon. Perhaps you will come across some fresh lies and disinfo he hasn't squeezed out yet. (2013 RL21) 2013-Sep-29 (2013 SB20) 2013-Sep-29 (2013 TD) 2013-Sep-29 (2013 TJ) 2013-Sep-29 (2013 TM69) 2013-Sep-29 (2013 PN43) 2013-Sep-29 (2013 SK20) 2013-Sep-29 (2013 VZ4) 2013-Sep-28 (2003 SW130) 2013-Sep-28 (2013 TG6) 2013-Sep-28 (2013 TC6) 2013-Sep-28 (2012 TS) 2013-Sep-28 (2013 SD20) 2013-Sep-28 (2013 ST19) 2013-Sep-28 (2013 SN24) 2013-Sep-28 15 events. 13 were found in 2013. Maybe you should change the focus of your research to My Little Pony. That's a good topic for you. Lying to 8 year-olds my prove easier than your present attempts at disinformation. Tard. R. kOOks lie. Constantly. It's part of the job description. |
| Reality420 User ID: 32261740 United States03/06/2014 11:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 9 Near Earth Objects March 5th-6th 2013 8 were found in 2013 Do you really think your "discovery" is different from previous years, NewTard? I don't see any uptick in the numbers of NEOs. I only see an uptick in the outgasing of stupidium in asteroid-doom threads. . PS And again NewTard didn't do his homework: [link to neo.jpl.nasa.gov] . He's just shilling for BPHickWatch. If you remember last fall's fiasco, he made a statement something like, 'ISON was the only hyperbolic comet beside Elenin to be found.' It's all part of the dishonest "make something that is normal and mundane look mysterious and unusual by lying about it" tactic, so the kooks can form a conspiracy around the apparent lack of info about this "unusual" object... which isn't unusual at all. I quickly posted a list of a couple dozen recent hyperbolic comets showing NewTard for the liar he is. He ran away to another thread he had going and repeated the claim but changed it to 'there weren't hyperbolic comets before Elenin'. I quickly posted a list of dozens of hyperbolic comets going back hundreds of years. He argued and again tried to change the goalposts, but you and Astro and a Brit AC and an Aussie AC were on to him also and demanding he stop lying and remove or correct the vid. He banned me (and a few others) from his threads, but you guys continued to hammer at him to stop being so dishonest and do the right thing. IIRC it took 2 days of arguing with the dishonest, lying, POS before he removed his disinfo laden vid from RubeTube. Then he spent the day patting himself on the back. He's perhaps more dishonest and dumber than BPCometwatch... if that is possible. Have fun. R. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30217411  United Kingdom03/07/2014 05:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One thing that always puzzles me is why these idiot doom-mongers keep posting these (always wrong) claims. You'd think, after being exposed over and over again, they'd eventually learn to check their facts, or at least not make so many wild predictions. And I'm also puzzled as to why so many people seem to accept their claims as correct, even when they're always shown to be wrong. Even if the average GLP reader is desperate for some sort of doom, they must be constantly disappointed when the predictions of their "priests" fail to come true... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 55151363 United Kingdom03/07/2014 07:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One thing that always puzzles me is why these idiot doom-mongers keep posting these (always wrong) claims. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30217411 You'd think, after being exposed over and over again, they'd eventually learn to check their facts, or at least not make so many wild predictions. And I'm also puzzled as to why so many people seem to accept their claims as correct, even when they're always shown to be wrong. Even if the average GLP reader is desperate for some sort of doom, they must be constantly disappointed when the predictions of their "priests" fail to come true... It's not about facts, it's about entertainment. Doom-mongers make up stuff to entertain doom junkies. Astro and the Reality guy get their kicks debunking it, Ducky trolls the debunkers, everyone is having fun. Like the Ts&Cs say DON'T BELIEVE A DAMN WORD YOU READ ON THIS WEBSITE! Not all posts on this website are intended as truthful or factual assertion by their authors. Some users of this website are participating in internet role playing, with or without the use of an avatar. NO post on this website should be considered factual information on face value alone. Users are encouraged to USE DISCERNMENT |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1533526  Indonesia03/07/2014 09:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One thing that always puzzles me is why these idiot doom-mongers keep posting these (always wrong) claims. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30217411 You'd think, after being exposed over and over again, they'd eventually learn to check their facts, or at least not make so many wild predictions. And I'm also puzzled as to why so many people seem to accept their claims as correct, even when they're always shown to be wrong. Even if the average GLP reader is desperate for some sort of doom, they must be constantly disappointed when the predictions of their "priests" fail to come true... It's the typical grandiose narcissistic nature of typical retard believing he's genius, the Dunning Kruger effect. Those so many people who seem to accept their retarded priests like NewTard's claim are retards themselves, easily swayed by emotion and groupthink instead of healthy reason. I've observed low IQ people are very obstinate in holding onto their belief even when their belief was proven false. So once they believed DrAstro was a government shill or whatever kind of us versus them approach of theirs, they will almost forever holding onto that belief. And it's next to impossible for any redemption or repentance because they're incapable of reasoning out of their own self believed deluded mindtrap. So the only path they could go is to fire up their emotion by deludedly think they're some kind of genius or a very few and rare awakened men to feed their emotion with the sense of elitism. In fact it's no different from religious people who believe they're saved while all others are on the path toward damnation. That's why, I would say, conspiracy theorists, especially the moron ones, are no different from any kind of faith based religious people. These moronic conspiracy theorists behave like their religious counterpart, blindly believing onto something that hasn't been proven. But I still think religious people like Christians, despite of their blind belief, are still better people because they believed on a good moral system unlike the moronic conspiracy theorists who're shameless even after proven again and again how retarded they are. They have no moral system beside grandiose narcissism. That's why they offer no reasonable argument and only capable of ad hominem attack. Pathetic. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1533526 Indonesia03/07/2014 09:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One thing that always puzzles me is why these idiot doom-mongers keep posting these (always wrong) claims. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30217411 You'd think, after being exposed over and over again, they'd eventually learn to check their facts, or at least not make so many wild predictions. And I'm also puzzled as to why so many people seem to accept their claims as correct, even when they're always shown to be wrong. Even if the average GLP reader is desperate for some sort of doom, they must be constantly disappointed when the predictions of their "priests" fail to come true... It's not about facts, it's about entertainment. Doom-mongers make up stuff to entertain doom junkies. Astro and the Reality guy get their kicks debunking it, Ducky trolls the debunkers, everyone is having fun. Like the Ts&Cs say DON'T BELIEVE A DAMN WORD YOU READ ON THIS WEBSITE! Not all posts on this website are intended as truthful or factual assertion by their authors. Some users of this website are participating in internet role playing, with or without the use of an avatar. NO post on this website should be considered factual information on face value alone. Users are encouraged to USE DISCERNMENT Well, role players are mostly intelligent people. But those retarded isontards, they really believed their own delusion. I wouldn't think role players would waste time and energy attacking Astro with such a vehement emotion and passion. Only morons who deeply believed in their own delusion would attack ferociously. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 55151363 United Kingdom03/07/2014 09:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, role players are mostly intelligent people. But those retarded isontards, they really believed their own delusion. I wouldn't think role players would waste time and energy attacking Astro with such a vehement emotion and passion. Only morons who deeply believed in their own delusion would attack ferociously. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1533526 Well I can't speak for anyone else and I know there are plenty of deluded people here but I have watched a handful of New Thor's videos and to me it seems pretty clear that they are meant to be entertaining. I believe he makes video presentations for courtroom proceedings for a living, the ones here are for fun. Does he really want them to be taken all that seriously? As for attacking Astro, he is quite happy to hurl insults back at his detractors so it's not surprising it gets heated sometimes. Speaking of Astro, I don't know how long he has been on here with Ducky but he only recently seems to have worked out he is being trolled. If he can be fooled then ask yourself are you better at spotting a genuine poster? |
| BG-Fan User ID: 29508147 United States03/07/2014 09:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We're only as good as the data. Look, JPL added 2 more NEA's for yesterday - wtf?: [link to neo.jpl.nasa.gov] What I find interesting is that they are finding NEA's one day before they come closest to Earth and then the good folks at SLOOH attempt to show the world the asteroid live but they can't locate it. Further, they are asking the publics help in locating them. We've been told that NE-asteroids are not becoming more frequent or more of them its just that more people are looking and we have better technology. Well that doesn't seem to be the case when we listen to NASA's mouthpieces. They can't even seem to agree on the data. Here's Spaceweather's NEA chart which shows nothing NEA-wise for today - 3/7/14 (scroll down for chart): [link to spaceweather.com] Here's a quote from Mr. 'Bad Astronomy': "Update, March 5, 2014 17:00 UTC: An asteroid called 2014 EC that was discovered only last night will pass the Earth just after midnight UTC tonight, sliding past us at a distance of just 56,000 km (35,000 miles) above Earth's surface! This rock is roughly 10 meters across—half the diameter of the Chelyabinsk asteroid. A miss is as good as a mile, as they say, but it shows that there are lots of these things passing us all the time. There's aren't more now than there were; we're just getting better at finding them. Thanks to Ron Baalke for the alert." In following live SLOOH coverage, we seem to be fairly good at finding them and really good at losing them a day later.  |
| Dr. Astro Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States03/07/2014 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What I find interesting is that they are finding NEA's one day before they come closest to Earth Quoting: BG-Fan That's because they're only bright enough to be detected when they're within a few days of earth. and then the good folks at SLOOH attempt to show the world the asteroid live but they can't locate it. Quoting: BG-FanThe idiots at SLOOH didn't check to see whether or not the asteroid would be recoverable with the data available on it - it was an old asteroid from years ago. The orbital uncertainty for that asteroid was far too high to attempt recovery by just pointing at the nominal position. SLOOH didn't do their homework. There are thousands of asteroids like that out there; they weren't observed enough times initially after discovery, so the orbital uncertainty remained too high to accurately project its exact position a decade or more later. Well that doesn't seem to be the case when we listen to NASA's mouthpieces. Quoting: BG-FanOh really? Link please. |
| BG-Fan User ID: 29508147 United States03/07/2014 10:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What I find interesting is that they are finding NEA's one day before they come closest to Earth Quoting: BG-Fan That's because they're only bright enough to be detected when they're within a few days of earth. and then the good folks at SLOOH attempt to show the world the asteroid live but they can't locate it. Quoting: BG-FanThe idiots at SLOOH didn't check to see whether or not the asteroid would be recoverable with the data available on it - it was an old asteroid from years ago. The orbital uncertainty for that asteroid was far too high to attempt recovery by just pointing at the nominal position. SLOOH didn't do their homework. There are thousands of asteroids like that out there; they weren't observed enough times initially after discovery, so the orbital uncertainty remained too high to accurately project its exact position a decade or more later. Well that doesn't seem to be the case when we listen to NASA's mouthpieces. Quoting: BG-FanOh really? Link please. [link to spaceweather.com] Check their NEA chart with JPL's: [link to neo.jpl.nasa.gov] One thing, we the general public, can learn from this is that asteroids and comet nuclei are one of the darkest objects in space. But astronomers have long known that haven't they - since they got a look at Halley and saw that it wasn't snowy white, but jet black. |
| Dr. Astro Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States03/07/2014 10:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What I find interesting is that they are finding NEA's one day before they come closest to Earth Quoting: BG-Fan That's because they're only bright enough to be detected when they're within a few days of earth. and then the good folks at SLOOH attempt to show the world the asteroid live but they can't locate it. Quoting: BG-FanThe idiots at SLOOH didn't check to see whether or not the asteroid would be recoverable with the data available on it - it was an old asteroid from years ago. The orbital uncertainty for that asteroid was far too high to attempt recovery by just pointing at the nominal position. SLOOH didn't do their homework. There are thousands of asteroids like that out there; they weren't observed enough times initially after discovery, so the orbital uncertainty remained too high to accurately project its exact position a decade or more later. Well that doesn't seem to be the case when we listen to NASA's mouthpieces. Quoting: BG-FanOh really? Link please. [link to spaceweather.com] Check their NEA chart with JPL's: [link to neo.jpl.nasa.gov] What's your point? |
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| Dr. Astro Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States03/07/2014 10:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.nbcnews.com] Turns out it's passing by earth 5 days later than the initial data suggested for the potential of impact, and it's not even going to come all that close, about 50 LD. [link to ssd.jpl.nasa.gov] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 26615489 Canada03/07/2014 10:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.nbcnews.com] Turns out it's passing by earth 5 days later than the initial data suggested for the potential of impact, and it's not even going to come all that close, about 50 LD. [link to ssd.jpl.nasa.gov] But I already brought them in...ok |
| BG-Fan User ID: 29508147 United States03/07/2014 05:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to neo.jpl.nasa.gov] What I find interesting is that they are finding NEA's one day before they come closest to Earth and then the good folks at SLOOH attempt to show the world the asteroid live but they can't locate it. Further, they are asking the publics help in locating them. We've been told that NE-asteroids are not becoming more frequent or more of them its just that more people are looking and we have better technology. Well that doesn't seem to be the case when we listen to NASA's mouthpieces. They can't even seem to agree on the data. Here's Spaceweather's NEA chart which shows nothing NEA-wise for today - 3/7/14 (scroll down for chart): [link to spaceweather.com] Here's a quote from Mr. 'Bad Astronomy': "Update, March 5, 2014 17:00 UTC: An asteroid called 2014 EC that was discovered only last night will pass the Earth just after midnight UTC tonight, sliding past us at a distance of just 56,000 km (35,000 miles) above Earth's surface! This rock is roughly 10 meters across—half the diameter of the Chelyabinsk asteroid. A miss is as good as a mile, as they say, but it shows that there are lots of these things passing us all the time. There's aren't more now than there were; we're just getting better at finding them. Thanks to Ron Baalke for the alert." In following live SLOOH coverage, we seem to be fairly good at finding them and really good at losing them a day later. wtf What I find interesting is that they are finding NEA's one day before they come closest to Earth Quoting: BG-Fan That's because they're only bright enough to be detected when they're within a few days of earth. and then the good folks at SLOOH attempt to show the world the asteroid live but they can't locate it. Quoting: BG-FanThe idiots at SLOOH didn't check to see whether or not the asteroid would be recoverable with the data available on it - it was an old asteroid from years ago. The orbital uncertainty for that asteroid was far too high to attempt recovery by just pointing at the nominal position. SLOOH didn't do their homework. There are thousands of asteroids like that out there; they weren't observed enough times initially after discovery, so the orbital uncertainty remained too high to accurately project its exact position a decade or more later. Well that doesn't seem to be the case when we listen to NASA's mouthpieces. Quoting: BG-FanOh really? Link please. [link to spaceweather.com] Check their NEA chart with JPL's: [link to neo.jpl.nasa.gov] What's your point? If nothing has really changed with NEA concerning the amount or NE frequency why is SLOOH asking for the publics help in locating them? Like working people have nothing better to do at night? I think they are subtly/subliminally preparing us for either an imminent impact or the high odds of one of these "newly discovered yesterdays" impacting Earth or one out of the blue (non-tracked). Recently SLOOH did a show about 2000 EM26 (Moby Dick) that was lost and they couldn't recapture it but they spent the night, imo planned, showing the Chelyabinsk meteor. Well, in the video below they talk about a show they will be doing this Sunday where they will be showcasing the asteroid that not too long ago impacted the moon, while once again I imagine they will ask for our help with asteroids. You can listen here what they have to say (maybe start about the 7:30 mark): |
| Dr. Astro Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 55240075 United States03/07/2014 05:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If nothing has really changed with NEA concerning the amount or NE frequency why is SLOOH asking for the publics help in locating them? Like working people have nothing better to do at night? Quoting: BG-Fan Amateur astronomers contribute asteroid astrometric data all the time. SLOOH is trying to save face after they fucked up. They didn't check to see if the asteroid would be recoverable or not. It wasn't. The orbit was far too uncertain. Now they're trying to cover their ass by making it into a "call to arms" or "telescopes" as it were. There are thousands of lost asteroids, they just happened to pick one. There's no reason to fixate on that one nor is it a new thing. SLOOH is not NASA, they're a company trying to get attention so that you'll buy a membership, and they pull really shitty PR stunts like this. |
| Hydra User ID: 55285571 Germany03/07/2014 05:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If nothing has really changed with NEA concerning the amount or NE frequency why is SLOOH asking for the publics help in locating them? Like working people have nothing better to do at night? Quoting: BG-Fan I think they are subtly/subliminally preparing us for either an imminent impact or the high odds of one of these "newly discovered yesterdays" impacting Earth or one out of the blue (non-tracked). Recently SLOOH did a show about 2000 EM26 (Moby Dick) that was lost and they couldn't recapture it but they spent the night, imo planned, showing the Chelyabinsk meteor. Well, in the video below they talk about a show they will be doing this Sunday where they will be showcasing the asteroid that not too long ago impacted the moon, while once again I imagine they will ask for our help with asteroids. You can listen here what they have to say (maybe start about the 7:30 mark): What has NASA to do with SLOOH? Is it the fault of NASA that SLOOH couldn't find the asteroid? Last time I checked SLOOH was a private owned commercial company. Had you made the same fuss, if the GLP observatory had announced to observe 2000 EM26 but faild to catch it? Would you blame NASA for the GLP fail too?  . :ase26122019: Annular Solar Eclipse - December 26, 2019 - Kannur, Kerala, India |
| Hydra User ID: 55285571 Germany03/07/2014 06:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Reality420 Quoting: NewThor You don't have any soul. and You don't have a sense of humor. That makes you the easiest ninja of the whole bunch. I know, I know. You were bullied in high school, and in college you never got to hook up with the guy you really wanted. So you take out your pain and disappointment on people trying to discuss conspiracies on a conspiracy website. It only leaves you feeling more empty and angry at the end of the day, but still you continue. Ad hominem noted. OK. Chump. Quoting: NewThor Your super science DATA goes back a WHOLE 10 MONTHS to dispprove my theory that the number of Near Earth Asteroids are rising... and your dumbass is trying to debunk my influx where we had 3 Asteroids pass by Earth in less than 1 Lunar Distance. Oh, how about my data? - Going back to 1900? - You missed it? As I said before: you never do your homework. Thread: Non-Influx of Asteroids! March 05 - March 12. [link to neo.jpl.nasa.gov] Wow. You picked the wrong fight and got your head handed to you and your laughy taffy reputation demolished. Quoting: NewThor Who picked the wrong fight? [link to neo.jpl.nasa.gov] I can see only one tard doing the name calling: the NewTard. . :ase26122019: Annular Solar Eclipse - December 26, 2019 - Kannur, Kerala, India |
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| BG-Fan User ID: 29508147 United States03/07/2014 07:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If nothing has really changed with NEA concerning the amount or NE frequency why is SLOOH asking for the publics help in locating them? Like working people have nothing better to do at night? Quoting: BG-Fan Amateur astronomers contribute asteroid astrometric data all the time. SLOOH is trying to save face after they fucked up. They didn't check to see if the asteroid would be recoverable or not. It wasn't. The orbit was far too uncertain. Now they're trying to cover their ass by making it into a "call to arms" or "telescopes" as it were. There are thousands of lost asteroids, they just happened to pick one. There's no reason to fixate on that one nor is it a new thing. SLOOH is not NASA, they're a company trying to get attention so that you'll buy a membership, and they pull really shitty PR stunts like this. I've got 2 problems with that reply. First, some of these asteroids that they are losing are tiny (30 feet)and dim. They are being spotted by enormous surveys like pan-starrs that use mega flippin pixels which I'm pretty sure amateur astronomers don't have sitting around in their backyards. Second, It is your opinion that they "fucked up". Unless you have a link for that. Me thinks they are not so irresponsible (remember these are professionals that host and guest this show - this Sunday a guest is from the Minor Planet Center). Surely they would staff one poor bastard to do a little homework and look up the track that the MPC has plotted. Just sayin.... |
