opiates are turning our kids into heroin addicts!

I'll sell you some of my subutex pills, 8mg, $10 each, 10 pill minimum.... just kidding that would be illegal ;)

It's a huge problem I know first hand. Just shop around, I've been able to find suboxone/subutex in every city I live in. It's easier to get now than its ever been. Imho it is way way way way way way way way harder to get oxycontin/morphine/diluadid prescribed than it is to get suboxone prescribed. Sure it's expensive without insurance and your kid will probably have to participate in outpatient rehab possibly be drug tested but that's it.

I get 60 subutex a month with insurance (including all costs) about $250 a month. Yeah it sucks but it beats addiction any day.

thank you ac well actually ive been buying the strips off the street but they are very hard to find... and when I find them im charged 30 a strip I know im being ripped but its cheaper than a funeral...

why are your kids taking opiates ?

Thank a vet!

good question, why is one of my kids taking opiates> shes 32 and her reason is she does not want to live in reality, she definatly needs some counseling but im more worried about getting the drugs under control first, if there is any such thing...

I was a pill and coke addict, i was in love with blues (30mg oxycodone made me feel like a god and i used coke to stop myself from nodding off) . No one can help addicts, only by our choice can we get clean. I grew up in FL, pill capital of the US. I cant imagine the effects of these pills on kids, a truly horrible thing to do to your child.

Just make sure they don't use vicodin. It has acetaminophen that will ruin their livers. Only use pure opiates. They're addictive, but they won't destroy your liver.

The reason why is because this world is fuked up and they cannot fit in any longer.
It is like putting a square peg in a round hole, it just does not fit.
So they drug themselves up to cope. Those who do not drink or do pills or whatever drug of choice is because they are still lost in this world of greed and material desires and have not looked outside of the box yet.
IT is going to get much worse friend, much worse as the PTB clamp down even more to get the herd to wake the heck up.
When you wake up, it is not a pretty site and you will be ONE OF THEM trying to medicate yourself to cope.
Good luck friend!!!!!

A lack of availability of quality information from a reliable trusted source is one very important factor in drug addiction in teens and young adults.

When you lie to kids and withhold information(Like the D.A.R.E. program) Then when you tell them a drug is a serious risk they assume you are just lying again, they try it and end up addicted. Real education on a chemistry/nuero-chemical level would help young people understand one risk factor.
Another extremely important lesson would be to introduce kids to real drug addicts and recovered addicts. Not just the howdy doodie version, but real hard core been through the ringer and willing to talk about it people.
Next is parents not doing anything that they would not approve of they're children doing.

Responsibility and guidance not propaganda and lies, that is what kids need.

I feel like blaming the world is a bit of a cop out, yes every single person has they're vices, yeah every single one... But some people fail to exercise responsibility in they're choice of decompression, distraction, addiction and that is a personal failure.


As for using drugs to get off drugs, I think that's weak sauce. Make em go cold turkey and have a real fit. Then tell them "does it hurt when you do that? [YES] Don't do that!".

Subs are only better because they are controlled, your just putting hitting rock bottom on layaway.

Find a better doctor. You shouldn't ever be denied suboxone if you're an addict who is trying to get help. Suboxone itself is quite expensive, which is why sometimes Subutex (pure buprenorphine) is prescribed. However, Subutex does not have narloxone, which is what Suboxone is (buprenorphine + narloxone). Narloxone makes Suboxone much less abuseable than pure buprenorphine.

You kid will probably need drug "maintenance" treatment for life, whether it be Suboxone or Methadone. It spaces you out but still much better than being an addict. There is some hope for living a normal, productive life. If there is a will, there's a way.

Maintenance for life?! Do you get paid for bringing new recruits into the victim CULTure? Or just get off on planting toxic seeds of thought? Perhaps your a big pharma rep.?
The world and world history is filled w/ endless people who put it down and walked away and the majority before there was 'a chemical cure'. That is only trading one problem for another - methadone is worse to get off of then the opiates the other drugs being fairly new I haven't heard about the effects of long term use or what is like to stop them. Very well could be a ticking time bomb.
A good therapist ect. that your daughter feels safe w/, clean eating to get nutrients in her racked body, up out doing things and or something to engage her mind.
Do not wait for her to stop using before engaging these things, a good therapist will help her w/ triggers and so on to help her to get a handle on the chaos and eventually get to the core issue and begin some healing.
The reality is clean is there for her, fear, shame, pain of many facets and a lot more fear is what she has to climb over. Too young for the life skills, find her someone yesterday!
And Really, Good Luck, also don't listen to the negative whine of the flightless yellow bellied permavictims.

Going though it right now! About 10 years ago they (drug cartel?) flooded VT with Opiate pills, all the 20 something here are addicts. They then pulled the pills and flooded streets with cheaper heroin. VT has an epidemic and its causing all kinds of crime. God help us! My daughter is a mess trying to get her in for treatment. I have her children now, drugs have ruined all of our lives. Very sad mess this state is in.

thanks for taking the time to respond

it's very hard - life - as we have made it and continue to make it -consciously or subconsciously - is shit
I can understand people wanting to get off and zone out

however I also agree that we make this shit life possible- each and every one of us
and we have to be the ones to change it

each and every one of us

zoning out doesn't do that - and never will

agreed on cold turkey - but for some the possibility of a life 'without something' is too unbearable- especially if( and usually because ) life on drugs creates even more shit which can be emotionally avoided by taking more shit

for the mother of the 32 yr old - my thoughts and prayers are with you - you think you get a kid into their 30's and you get to stand back a little and enjoy

I'm sorry that isn't the case for you

I hope you and your daughter can find some peace

x

The war on drugs didn't work. Drugs are everywhere. Public funding for rehabs was seriously cut by Ronald Reagan because of statistical results. Most people need more than one rehab and many need more than a 30 day treatment plans.

Opiates aren't turning kids into heroin addicts, availability of heroin is. The war in Afghanistan has flooded the world with cheap heroin. Legalization of marihuana is shifting Mexican drug cartels to import more heroin. A lot of states are restricting and recording opiate prescriptions to try to stop opiate abuse. Many of the people abusing opiates just switch to heroin. Heroin is cheap and everywhere just like crack and meth.

We need more and better education and treatment programs. Most people don't know their kids are using drugs until something bad happens. Media rarely displays the results of alcohol, drug abuse or sexual promiscuity, rather glorify the party atmosphere.

To the open or anyone dealing with this. Research kratom. It is the most wonderful god given natural answer to addictions and withdrawals. I was concerned about my use of pain pills and withdrawing from them. Not only did it solve both problems but my desire to drink alcohol, which I wasn't even concerned about, disappeared. It is legal most states although big pharmacy would love to shut it down and keep your kids addicted. It can literally turn your whole life around. Mood is positive, drive is good, no pain if you started to take pain pills for pain, it actually works better for pain then pills. A lot of folks with chronic pain have walked away from pills and are more happy and pain free then ever before. Research it, you won't regret it.

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There is this 22 or 23 new jersey girl that still lives with her mom. She goes to college uni. Of course her mom knows she does heroin. She even does it on cam, on skype.

I'm 100% sure she started on pills. There is nothing I can do. I'm an OEF veteran and I wish I could help.

+1

in that respect, a coconut oil based diet helps with sugar addiction, which leads to heart problems.

The last paragraph is just completely false.
You do NOT get spaced out on methadone or subuxone if you're on a maintenance program. Your body adapts after a few days and it just makes you feel normal. Only someone abusing them would get spaced out which doesn't occur on maintenance because you get the same dose everyday.
Methadone saved my lived. But you have to have an exit plan for maintenance in the first 1-3 years IMO. I'm seven years in and clean from abusing, but getting off methadone after this many years will be terrible.

These are the same stories my mother and friend's dad are going through. In the Mid East Coast. Legal drugs are hurting the population.

I agree with you OP. You should see how pharmacies are dispensing narcotics like it is nothing.