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Reality is not the way you want people to believe things are, reality is the way they are. And the reality is Apollo was a hoax and you're a professional liar promulgating that hoax with subterfuge.
 Quoting: IDW 69027062

The reality is, that you - after more than 20 pages, where you provided nothing than hand waving, insults, of topic posts, derailing and not a single calculation to prove your stand - still don't get the topic of this thread.

The topic of this thread is NOT if the moon landings are a hoax or not.

The topic of this post is the hypothetical question, if "the astronauts and / or their film cameras could not have survived the extremes of temperature on the Moon".
 Quoting: Hydra

Yes, it is, and very post that debunks his nonsense is removed.
 Quoting: IDW 69027062

I have not seen, that K. removed any "debunking" posts.
I have only seen, that K. removed insulting post, derailing posts, hand waving post, off topic posts, ...


He has removed A PDF from Kodak explaining the effects of heat on film, amongst other things, ....
 Quoting: IDW 69027062

(Re)post the links to the data sheets of the Panatomic-X, Ektachrome SO68, Kodak Ektachrom SO121 and Kodak 2485. Im very interested in these data sheet, especially in regard to the reciprocity effect.

But I don't remember, that you provided any calculation that the heat inside the camera would exceed the specifications.


... as well as several links explaining the effects of a vacuum on chemicals used in photography ...
 Quoting: IDW 69027062

Repost the link, that explains the effects of a vacuum on gelatin and AgI.


... that together both essentially prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the apollo photography was faked in it's entirety.
So yeah, I've proved it was impossible and he knows it was, thus the deletions of technical information under the pretext of removing "spam", as he calls the truth..
 Quoting: IDW 69027062

I see, posting technical information without any calculation, if the specification were in the limits or not, is proof.


Now, as for the human aspect of it, we will never know whether Apollo astronauts could have survived the thermal environment on the moon because we simply have zero vetted details concerning ANY of the critical variables involved. We don't know how much water they supposedly had, we don't know how fast a suits sublimation plate could remove heat, little details like that
 Quoting: IDW 69027062

I see K. Hall's calculations regarding this matter and they seem to be coherent.
Where are your calculations that prove him wrong?


So you could put it like this in a nutshell, it is THEORETICALLY possible the suits could work, ...
 Quoting: IDW 69027062

If it is THEORETICALLY possible, the suits could work - why shouldn't it be possible in the field?


... and it is impossible for the photography to be real, it would have looked like the Russian space walk photography or worst because of he effects of a vacuum on chemicals and the effects of heat on gelatin in a vacuum.
 Quoting: IDW 69027062

You stil have to prove (by calculation, not hand waving) the the heat inside the camera magazine exceeded the specification of the films used.
And how do you come to the conclusion, that there was a vacuum inside the camera magazine?

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So 74444 finally got arrested?

I wonder what for?

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What makes you say that?
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So 74444 finally got arrested?

I wonder what for?

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Have a nice day
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What makes you say that?
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Because he has been stalking me for 15 years day in and day out and now all of a sudden he's gone. Something else could have happened to him i suppose. Something did. Maybe he finally screwed up enough to get arrested, he's obviously got mental issues and he hates my guts because I rally against moral degenerates like fags and feminazis. I can tell you this, this individual is seriously deranged. I am here debunking K Hall because he is lying about Apollo and NASA, I have nothing against him on a personal level.

One of the posts above claimed I had wasted 20 years on the internet, well, maybe I have (and I don't think so!), but at least I didn't waste my whole life stalking one person because he didn't care for jews and perverts.
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So 74444 finally got arrested?

I wonder what for?

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Have a nice day
 Quoting: IDW 69027062


What makes you say that?
 Quoting: calin


I've reviewed you posting history and I am baffled by your stance here on this thread and your apparent bias against me on this thread. It doesn't make sense within the context of your mindset, you don't seem like you are drinking the kool aid. I will need to read some of your threads carefully.
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I have no dislike for you. You post on other threads as well which I read doing my Mod job.
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Sorry K Hall for the off topic discussion. I can edit my posts out if you so wish. ;)
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"Thank you for not stalking. Warning excessive compulsive IP resetting with the intention of avoiding bans on this website and harass our users will result in your ISP being contacted..."

Unless you are IDW apparently.

before you can understand how energy of thought can effect matter you probably might want to study physics in some detail.
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Boom!, there goes another irony meter

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Reality is not the way you want people to believe things are, reality is the way they are. And the reality is Apollo was a hoax and you're a professional liar promulgating that hoax with subterfuge.
 Quoting: IDW 69027062

The reality is, that you - after more than 20 pages, where you provided nothing than hand waving, insults, of topic posts, derailing and not a single calculation to prove your stand - still don't get the topic of this thread.

The topic of this thread is NOT if the moon landings are a hoax or not.

The topic of this post is the hypothetical question, if "the astronauts and / or their film cameras could not have survived the extremes of temperature on the Moon".

 Quoting: Hydra


Yes, it is, and very post that debunks his nonsense is removed.
 Quoting: IDW 69027062


Total bullshit. All you have ever posted is handwaving waffle, spammed posts, abusive posts and post that illustrate your jaw dropping ignorance of science.

He has removed A PDF from Kodak explaining the effects of heat on film, amongst other things,
 Quoting: IDW 69027062


More obvious lies from the fantasist loser. That pdf, the original post and my reply are all still there.

Im afraid i cant help you there most photographers would protect any un processed film with cool bags while on set.
There are some very tight temp measurement to processing film but im unsure if these temps would effect the film before.
At the end of the day the substrate of the film is a thin piece of plastic.
Heat cant be a good thing in any measure.
...snip... Specific storage instructions for each
product are printed on the package, but here are a few
general principles to keep in mind:

[link to www.kodak.com]
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Thanks for that. I have seen some crazy high temperatures being quoted for the temperatures that the Ektachrome ester base warps or shrinks at. I think the emulsions would give up long before then, but I can't find any definitive temperature, just the idea that prolonged high temperature leads to red cast in the developed prints.

K
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as well as several links explaining the effects of a vacuum on chemicals used in photography that together both essentially prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the apollo photography was faked in it's entirety.
So yeah, I've proved it was impossible and he knows it was, thus the deletions of technical information under the pretext of removing "spam", as he calls the truth..
 Quoting: IDW 69027062

You have posted nothing about the testing of Kodak film stock with respect to varying atmospheric pressure environments and if you had. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN OFF TOPIC YOU MORON

First post again
There is enough to think about here with the thermal questions without delving into questions about ionising radiation or shadows angles etc. so I will leave that to other threads. I just want to be able to answer the question "Is it feasible that the Apollo astronauts and their film cameras could have survived the thermal environment on the Moon ?"
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You want to talk about the effects of pressure? Fuck off to another thread then. If you are so fond of Kodak data here is what they say.

"Can the film be used in a vacuum? If exposed to a vacuum or very low atmospheric pressure would vital components of the emulsion bleed off?
Eastman Kodak camera films are regularly used by the NASA space program to document key events in space exploration. Care is taken to ensure that the camera mechanisms perform adequately under extreme conditions, but the photographic emulsions are not affected under a vacuum or low atmosphere."
[link to www.kodak.com]

Now, as for the human aspect of it, we will never know whether Apollo astronauts could have survived the thermal environment on the moon because we simply have zero vetted details concerning ANY of the critical variables involved. We don't know how much water they supposedly had, we don't know how fast a suits sublimation plate could remove heat, little details like that
 Quoting: IDW 69027062

You don't know because you can't work through the numbers, but I can. For someone who claims to have been doing this for 20 years you are unbelievably ignorant of all the published documents. I have only been doing this for a couple of months and I have found alpha and epsilon values of the materials, that you never knew about [link to webserver.dmt.upm.es] engineering drawings from the pre J series LM Thread: Would the Apollo Moon astronauts have been frozen then cooked like chicken-in-a-bag - One Star Warrior unveiled - page 28 (Page 23) that you said you had never seen before, then claimed that I had deleted, another lie. Picture of the sublimator vents [link to www.de-la-terre-a-la-lune.com] , [link to nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov] that you had never seen. Water load levels Thread: Would the Apollo Moon astronauts have been frozen then cooked like chicken-in-a-bag - One Star Warrior unveiled - page 28 (Page 26) that you have never bothered to look for. Diagrams and descriptions of MLI, sublimator exhaust temperatures, electrical loads in the suit, battery capacities and countless other examples because you are not a scientist, you are not an engineer, you are a sad attention starved fantasist bullshiter who has invented an imaginary world where they are a "warrior" or "astrophysicist". Now take a hint and follow your own advice "I am finished here", "Nobody gives a shit what you have to say" and fuck off for good.

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I am here debunking K Hall because he is lying about Apollo and NASA, I have nothing against him on a personal level.

 Quoting: IDW 69027062


Boom, there goes another irony meter.

You made threats against me personally very early on, most of your posts are insults. Once I started reporting your abusive posts around 2nd April I got to 46 in two days before Saddletramp locked the thread for too many reports coming in, check my karma. Since then I have removed over 100 of your posts, mostly by searching for fucktard, assclown, moron, cretin etc. Face it you are obsessed with me and this thread. You have stated

KNOW YOUR ENEMY, and make no error in judgement, I am your enemy by your own choice.
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You are not my enemy. You are some ranting guy who turned up on my thread and turned it to crap with abuse, off topic posts and spammed posts that buried anything of interest I had done. You waste an amazing amount of time that I don't have to spend.

K
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To which you replied that K Hall doesn't get to choose if IDW is his enemy, he just is. You also said

I am going to sabotage your efforts because you are dishonest cretin who has intentionally and purposely challenged me and pissed me off and censored my side of the debate. You're a low life piece.

 Quoting: IDW 69019672


You regard me as your enemy and you intend to sabotage my thread, I regard you a loser who doesn't know where he isn't wanted. If you wanted to make a point about the thermal environment and the science involved you would start your own thread but you are a gutless troll who knows he would be ripped to shreds if he did. It's easier for you to spam and insult on this thread and pretend that your removed abusive posts were full of facts instead of abuse, what a joke.

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When do the two of you agree to disagree?
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When do the two of you agree to disagree?
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Only when IDW takes his meds.
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So 74444 finally got arrested?

I wonder what for?

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Have a nice day
 Quoting: IDW 69027062


What makes you say that?
 Quoting: calin


Because he has been stalking me for 15 years day in and day out and now all of a sudden he's gone. Something else could have happened to him i suppose. Something did. Maybe he finally screwed up enough to get arrested, he's obviously got mental issues and he hates my guts because I rally against moral degenerates like fags and feminazis. I can tell you this, this individual is seriously deranged. I am here debunking K Hall because he is lying about Apollo and NASA, I have nothing against him on a personal level.
 Quoting: IDW 69027062



It's not all of a sudden, IDW. I hate to say this, but you're *boring.*

Look at your old posts from circa 2008. You haven't changed your ridiculously flawed arguments *one whit* over the time we've engaged, no matter the evidence. They're the same easily disproved claims you made back then. You're a broken record, and already basically trapped shouting in this tiny corner of the internet. You will never admit when you've been beaten silly by someone else, ever.

Thread: WARNING: SOLAR DATA PAGE COMPLETELY CENSORED,DATA ON OTHER SOURCES BEING FABRICATED! (Page 586)

So between finishing my roof, and getting introduced to Elite:Dangerous, I've spent a lot less time here, and you've gotten stale. I am sure after I get bored with the game, I'll be back to point out your missteps, but the fact is they've been pointed out for years. Your tune has been proved to be lousy, but it's the only one you know how to play.

So do carry on.

One of the posts above claimed I had wasted 20 years on the internet, well, maybe I have (and I don't think so!),
 Quoting: IDW 69027062


QFT. If you had applied your superior intellect in different ways, I think your results would have been more notable. As it is... not so much.

but at least I didn't waste my whole life stalking one person because he didn't care for jews and perverts.
 Quoting: IDW 69027062


Ad hominem noted.

Have a nice day
 Quoting: IDW 69027062


You, too!

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To lighten things up here a bit... check this out... Thread: Do you function using more of your left or the right side of your brain? Find out - short test
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Lol, is this like the most fractious wedding reception you've been to? The in laws have drunk all the booze and the home truths are coming out.

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Lol, is this like the most fractious wedding reception you've been to? The in laws have drunk all the booze and the home truths are coming out.

K
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Funny!

See what your score is on the test. I am curious.
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What makes you say that?
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Because he has been stalking me for 15 years day in and day out and now all of a sudden he's gone. Something else could have happened to him i suppose. Something did. Maybe he finally screwed up enough to get arrested, he's obviously got mental issues and he hates my guts because I rally against moral degenerates like fags and feminazis. I can tell you this, this individual is seriously deranged. I am here debunking K Hall because he is lying about Apollo and NASA, I have nothing against him on a personal level.
 Quoting: IDW 69027062



It's not all of a sudden, IDW. I hate to say this, but you're *boring.*

Look at your old posts from circa 2008. You haven't changed your ridiculously flawed arguments *one whit* over the time we've engaged, no matter the evidence. They're the same easily disproved claims you made back then. You're a broken record, and already basically trapped shouting in this tiny corner of the internet. You will never admit when you've been beaten silly by someone else, ever.

Thread: WARNING: SOLAR DATA PAGE COMPLETELY CENSORED,DATA ON OTHER SOURCES BEING FABRICATED! (Page 586)

So between finishing my roof, and getting introduced to Elite:Dangerous, I've spent a lot less time here, and you've gotten stale. I am sure after I get bored with the game, I'll be back to point out your missteps, but the fact is they've been pointed out for years. Your tune has been proved to be lousy, but it's the only one you know how to play.

So do carry on.

One of the posts above claimed I had wasted 20 years on the internet, well, maybe I have (and I don't think so!),
 Quoting: IDW 69027062


QFT. If you had applied your superior intellect in different ways, I think your results would have been more notable. As it is... not so much.

but at least I didn't waste my whole life stalking one person because he didn't care for jews and perverts.
 Quoting: IDW 69027062


Ad hominem noted.

Have a nice day
 Quoting: IDW 69027062


You, too!
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Interesting. Not the same person. But somebody thought it was important enough not to allow it to become known 74444 is no longer able to post. A relative, coworker maybe. This is not 74444.
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Sounds paranoid.
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How much surface area does a human have ?

[link to www.google.co.uk (secure)]

This tells me that a human male has a surface area of 1.9 m^2 so maybe a spacesuit has a surface area of 2.5 or even 3 m^2

If we multiply the solar constant by 3 m^2 we get a power input to the spacesuit of 4086 watts , that's a seriously large power input, that's more than any electric heater you can plug into a domestic socket ( 3 kW ), it's as much as e.g. a wood burning stove.

Is this the end of the story for Apollo ? .....
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The story ended when the film reel got back was played on tv and the movie ended
Just like america.
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What makes you say that?
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Because he has been stalking me for 15 years day in and day out and now all of a sudden he's gone. Something else could have happened to him i suppose. Something did. Maybe he finally screwed up enough to get arrested, he's obviously got mental issues and he hates my guts because I rally against moral degenerates like fags and feminazis. I can tell you this, this individual is seriously deranged. I am here debunking K Hall because he is lying about Apollo and NASA, I have nothing against him on a personal level.
 Quoting: IDW 69027062



It's not all of a sudden, IDW. I hate to say this, but you're *boring.*

Look at your old posts from circa 2008. You haven't changed your ridiculously flawed arguments *one whit* over the time we've engaged, no matter the evidence. They're the same easily disproved claims you made back then. You're a broken record, and already basically trapped shouting in this tiny corner of the internet. You will never admit when you've been beaten silly by someone else, ever.

Thread: WARNING: SOLAR DATA PAGE COMPLETELY CENSORED,DATA ON OTHER SOURCES BEING FABRICATED! (Page 586)

So between finishing my roof, and getting introduced to Elite:Dangerous, I've spent a lot less time here, and you've gotten stale. I am sure after I get bored with the game, I'll be back to point out your missteps, but the fact is they've been pointed out for years. Your tune has been proved to be lousy, but it's the only one you know how to play.

So do carry on.

One of the posts above claimed I had wasted 20 years on the internet, well, maybe I have (and I don't think so!),
 Quoting: IDW 69027062


QFT. If you had applied your superior intellect in different ways, I think your results would have been more notable. As it is... not so much.

but at least I didn't waste my whole life stalking one person because he didn't care for jews and perverts.
 Quoting: IDW 69027062


Ad hominem noted.

Have a nice day
 Quoting: IDW 69027062


You, too!
 Quoting: 74444

Interesting. Not the same person. But somebody thought it was important enough not to allow it to become known 74444 is no longer able to post. A relative, coworker maybe. This is not 74444.
 Quoting: IDW 69041194


I love it. I'll be sure to add that to the List.
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Re: Would the Apollo Moon astronauts have been frozen then cooked like chicken-in-a-bag - One Star Warrior unveiled - page 28
There is no copyright, and there is no need to pare it down. No one knows the source, it originated with an anonymous E Mail that had only existed apparently long enough to send the message to numerous people, one of them myself.

Since I received it as an E mail and there is no copyright, I don't think anyone is going to sue GLP over it.
 Quoting: IDW 69041194


One fifteen second websearch later...

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

True to form as ever.
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Re: Would the Apollo Moon astronauts have been frozen then cooked like chicken-in-a-bag - One Star Warrior unveiled - page 28
An illusion it will be, so large, so vast it will escape their perception.
Those who will see it will be thought of as insane.
We will create separate fronts to prevent them from seeing the connection between us.
We will behave as if we are not connected to keep the illusion alive.
Our goal will be accomplished one drop at a time so as to never bring suspicion upon ourselves.
This will also prevent them from seeing the changes as they occur.
We will always stand above the relative field of their experience for we know the secrets of the absolute.
We will work together always and will remain bound by blood and secrecy. Death will come to he who speaks.
We will keep their lifespan short and their minds weak while pretending to do the opposite.
We will use our knowledge of science and technology in subtle ways so they will never see what is happening.
We will use soft metals, aging accelerators and sedatives in food and water, also in the air.
They will be blanketed by poisons everywhere they turn.
The soft metals will cause them to lose their minds.
We will promise to find a cure from our many fronts, yet we will feed them more poison.
The poisons will be absorbed trough their skin and mouths, they will destroy their minds and reproductive systems.
The poisons will be hidden in everything that surrounds them, in what they drink, eat, breathe and wear.
We must be ingenious in dispensing the poisons for they must not discover it.
We will teach them that the poisons are good, with fun images and musical tones.
Those they look up to will help. We will enlist them to push our poisons.
They will see our products being used in film and will grow accustomed to them and will never know their true effect.
When they give birth we will inject poisons into the blood of their children and convince them its for their help.
We will start early on, when their minds are young, we will target their children with what children love most, sweet things.When their teeth decay we will fill them with metals that will kill their mind and steal their future.
When their ability to learn has been affected, we will create medicine that will make them sicker and cause other diseases for which we will create yet more medicine.
We will render them docile and weak before us by our power.
They will grow depressed, slow and obese, and when they come to us for help, we will give them more poison.
We will focus their attention toward money and material goods so they many never connect with their inner self.
We will distract them with fornication, external pleasures and games so they may never be one with the oneness of it All.
Their minds will belong to us and they will do as we say.
If they refuse we shall find ways to implement mind-altering technology into their lives. We will use fear as our weapon.
We will establish their governments and establish opposites within. We will own both sides.
We will always hide our objective but carry out our plan.
They will perform the labor for us and we shall prosper from their toil.
Our families will never mix with theirs.
Our blood must be pure always, for it is the way.
We will make them kill each other when it suits us.
We will keep them separated from the oneness by dogma and religion.
We will control all aspects of their lives and tell them what to think and how.
We will guide them kindly and gently letting them think they are guiding themselves.
We will foment animosity between them through our factions.
When a light shall shine among them, we shall extinguish it by ridicule, or death, whichever suits us best.
We will make them rip each other's hearts apart and kill their own children.We will accomplish this by using hate as our ally, anger as our friend.

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[link to www.freedomforceinternational.org (secure)]
CALIN - MOD
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69041194

There is no copyright, and there is no need to pare it down. No one knows the source, it originated with an anonymous E Mail that had only existed apparently long enough to send the message to numerous people, one of them myself.

Since I received it as an E mail and there is no copyright, I don't think anyone is going to sue GLP over it.
 Quoting: IDW 69041194

RULES ARE RULES - Link back to the source or don't post it. I did a simple search and found it. I was being accommodating instead of simply removing the post.

It is not on topic though so I suspect it may be deleted by the OP.

In accordance with industry accepted best practices we ask that users limit their copy / paste of copyrighted material to the relevant portions of the article you wish to discuss and no more than 50% of the source material, provide a link back to the original article and provide your original comments / criticism in your post with the article.
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..................................
THE SECOND AGREEMENT: "Don't take anything personally. When you are immune to the opinions and actions of others, you won't be the victim of needless suffering." ~ Don Miguel Ruiz, The Four Agreements
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Re: Would the Apollo Moon astronauts have been frozen then cooked like chicken-in-a-bag - One Star Warrior unveiled - page 28
An illusion it will be, so large, so vast it will escape their perception.
Those who will see it will be thought of as insane.
We will create separate fronts to prevent them from seeing the connection between us.
We will behave as if we are not connected to keep the illusion alive.
Our goal will be accomplished one drop at a time so as to never bring suspicion upon ourselves.
This will also prevent them from seeing the changes as they occur.
We will always stand above the relative field of their experience for we know the secrets of the absolute.
We will work together always and will remain bound by blood and secrecy. Death will come to he who speaks.
We will keep their lifespan short and their minds weak while pretending to do the opposite.
We will use our knowledge of science and technology in subtle ways so they will never see what is happening.
We will use soft metals, aging accelerators and sedatives in food and water, also in the air.
They will be blanketed by poisons everywhere they turn.
The soft metals will cause them to lose their minds.
We will promise to find a cure from our many fronts, yet we will feed them more poison.
The poisons will be absorbed trough their skin and mouths, they will destroy their minds and reproductive systems.
The poisons will be hidden in everything that surrounds them, in what they drink, eat, breathe and wear.
We must be ingenious in dispensing the poisons for they must not discover it.
We will teach them that the poisons are good, with fun images and musical tones.
Those they look up to will help. We will enlist them to push our poisons.
They will see our products being used in film and will grow accustomed to them and will never know their true effect.
When they give birth we will inject poisons into the blood of their children and convince them its for their help.
We will start early on, when their minds are young, we will target their children with what children love most, sweet things.When their teeth decay we will fill them with metals that will kill their mind and steal their future.
When their ability to learn has been affected, we will create medicine that will make them sicker and cause other diseases for which we will create yet more medicine.
We will render them docile and weak before us by our power.
They will grow depressed, slow and obese, and when they come to us for help, we will give them more poison.
We will focus their attention toward money and material goods so they many never connect with their inner self.
We will distract them with fornication, external pleasures and games so they may never be one with the oneness of it All.
Their minds will belong to us and they will do as we say.
If they refuse we shall find ways to implement mind-altering technology into their lives. We will use fear as our weapon.
We will establish their governments and establish opposites within. We will own both sides.
We will always hide our objective but carry out our plan.
They will perform the labor for us and we shall prosper from their toil.
Our families will never mix with theirs.
Our blood must be pure always, for it is the way.
We will make them kill each other when it suits us.
We will keep them separated from the oneness by dogma and religion.
We will control all aspects of their lives and tell them what to think and how.
We will guide them kindly and gently letting them think they are guiding themselves.
We will foment animosity between them through our factions.
When a light shall shine among them, we shall extinguish it by ridicule, or death, whichever suits us best.
We will make them rip each other's hearts apart and kill their own children.We will accomplish this by using hate as our ally, anger as our friend.

*****************************EDITED FOR COPYRIGHT 50% RULE AND TO PROVIDE A LINK
[link to www.freedomforceinternational.org (secure)]
CALIN - MOD
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69041194

There is no copyright, and there is no need to pare it down. No one knows the source, it originated with an anonymous E Mail that had only existed apparently long enough to send the message to numerous people, one of them myself.

Since I received it as an E mail and there is no copyright, I don't think anyone is going to sue GLP over it.
 Quoting: IDW 69041194

RULES ARE RULES - Link back to the source or don't post it. I did a simple search and found it. I was being accommodating instead of simply removing the post.

It is not on topic though so I suspect it may be deleted by the OP.

In accordance with industry accepted best practices we ask that users limit their copy / paste of copyrighted material to the relevant portions of the article you wish to discuss and no more than 50% of the source material, provide a link back to the original article and provide your original comments / criticism in your post with the article.
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I didn't obtain it from any webpage, i got it in an email. None of those websites that have it posted have any more of a right to publish it than anyone else does. The author is unknown. If you noticed,the version I posted is devoid of quotation marks, whereas the websites have quotation marks. There are more than just a few webaites that have reproduced it in it's entirety, including GLP in the past.

I posted it exactly as i received it ,in an email. As far as I know ,no one has a copyright on my inbox.
 Quoting: IDW 69042240


If anyone wants to view the rest of it, they are free to go to the link. I am not questioning you about receiving it in an email or whether you copy / pasted it from a site. Just applying the same rules that all have to follow ... even me. There is no disparity of treatment
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When you judge another, you do not define them, you define yourself.
..................................
THE SECOND AGREEMENT: "Don't take anything personally. When you are immune to the opinions and actions of others, you won't be the victim of needless suffering." ~ Don Miguel Ruiz, The Four Agreements
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Re: Would the Apollo Moon astronauts have been frozen then cooked like chicken-in-a-bag - One Star Warrior unveiled - page 28
There is no copyright, and there is no need to pare it down. No one knows the source, it originated with an anonymous E Mail that had only existed apparently long enough to send the message to numerous people, one of them myself.

Since I received it as an E mail and there is no copyright, I don't think anyone is going to sue GLP over it.
 Quoting: IDW 69041194


One fifteen second websearch later...

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

True to form as ever.
 Quoting: 74444


It was sent out in a mass email to thousands of people. The real 74444 wouldn't have made a mistake like that.

Where is the real 74444, in jail or in the nuthouse?

 Quoting: IDW 69042240


Sorry to disappoint, but I remain the original 74444. Of course, as per usual, there is no evidence whatsoever can possibly change your erroneous mind.

Believe what thou wilst. As usual, it doesn't change the reality of the situation at all.
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04/26/2015 04:17 AM
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Re: Would the Apollo Moon astronauts have been frozen then cooked like chicken-in-a-bag - One Star Warrior unveiled - page 28
I love it. I'll be sure to add that to the List.
 Quoting: 74444


74444 is a lot of things, he's a batshit crazy loon that thinks the world begins and ends with me, an obsessed stalker, and a consistent, constant pain in the ass, but he's not a complete fucktard.
 Quoting: IDW 69042240


Then why have you referred to me as such in the past?

You're a FUCKTARD.
 Quoting: IDW 69042240


Ah, there we go.

A complete, total fucktard, and you're not doing a very convincing job of imitating him whoever you are. At any rate whatever happened to him he probably deserved it.
 Quoting: IDW 69042240


Sigh. He got a new roof, is playing a new videogame, continues to work in I.T., and continues to be *me.*

You're obviously batting you usual. Haven't improved a whit since at least December, 2012, have you?

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Re: Would the Apollo Moon astronauts have been frozen then cooked like chicken-in-a-bag - One Star Warrior unveiled - page 28
It is not on topic though so I suspect it may be deleted by the OP.

 Quoting: calin


You have the gift ! precognition, second sight chuckle

Please, everyone, don't feed the troll, his stated aim is to sabotage the thread.

I am going to sabotage your efforts
 Quoting: IDW 69019672


Try not to post off topic. If you have a long post to quote, cut it down and if you are quoting a quote you can usually cut out some or most of the inner quote.

Thanks,

K
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Please, everyone, don't feed the troll, his stated aim is to sabotage the thread.

I am going to sabotage your efforts
 Quoting: IDW 69019672


Try not to post off topic.
 Quoting: K Hall


Fair enough. Apologies.





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