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Anonymous Coward User ID: 55554389 United States 06/03/2015 12:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm sure super-scientist and all-round unsung genius, IDW, (the Interdimensional Warrior) could give you a definitive answer to your question, if Dr. Astro will allow him to. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69410909 And I'm sure it will have something to do with the evil Joos, who have a vast, worldwide conspiracy designed to oppress his genius. |
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Saddletramp (OP) User ID: 68373023 United States 06/03/2015 12:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It spins on its axis as it orbits earth so one moon day is 30 earth days long. That's why the same side is always facing us. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69098931 I see what you're saying, however it still seems to leave the same sides subject to the same opposing forces all the time, gravity vs momentum. Hmmm... There's obviously a reason I became a Banker and not an Astrophysicist... "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
Saddletramp (OP) User ID: 68373023 United States 06/03/2015 01:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm sure super-scientist and all-round unsung genius, IDW, (the Interdimensional Warrior) could give you a definitive answer to your question, if Dr. Astro will allow him to. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69410909 Yeah I don't doubt IDW and Dr. Astro could both answer this question, whether that would be the same answer, and whether I would be smart enough about physics to understand it...well that's the other question. "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29634328 United Kingdom 06/03/2015 01:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As many of you know I wax philosophic once in awhile, but then I also consider questions about our physical realm as well... Quoting: Saddletramp So here's the set up: I'm driving home from New Mexico last night and I had the opportunity to watch an absolutely gorgeous full moon come up on the Eastern Horizon. It was breathtakingly beautiful... But it got me thinking (which is sometimes not a good thing)...I understand the basic physics as to why our planet is a sphere. Spinning on an axis, maintaining it's own gravitational field, while rotating around a larger object (our Sun) and subject it's gravitational field, so I understand that with Gravity vs. Momentum and the constant equal sharing of that momentum due to our spinning like a top, it would naturally make our Planet Earth a sphere at its formation. But then there is the moon, which is also a sphere, and subject to some of the same forces as Earth, however the Moon doesn't spin on an axis, the same side faces the planet Earth at all times (why we always see the smiling face of the Man on the Moon looking down on us), so it would seem to me and my extremely basic and limited understanding of physics, that the Moon, again subject to Gravity vs. Momentum, but NOT subject to the constant equalization of those forces due to a spin on an axis, should be Oblong, bulging towards the gravity of the Earth, and in the opposite, the Momentum of it's rotation around the Earth. I'm sure I'm not the first person to ask this question (since there is nothing new under the Sun), and I mean the question legitimately with no ulterior motive...I've just simply never HEARD the question asked, so I've never heard the answer (which I'm sure there is an answer). Anyone know why our Moon is a sphere instead of pronouncedly Oblong? No conspiracy theories please, I'm just asking a question, which seems like a legitimate question to me... Actually spinning around the vertical axis tends to make moons, stars and planets less spherical. The process that makes a body, like the Moon, spherical is hydrostatic equilibrium. That's a way of saying all the forces on the particles that make up the Moon are in balance, so gravity is resisted by the mechanical strength of the rock. Any object large enough for its own gravity to overcome its rigidity is pulled into a spherical shape, it is the shape that allows the forces on the particles that make up the body to come into balance. Spinning on a axis, like the Moon does once a month, tends to turn the body into an oblate spheroid. That is a sphere that is flattened at its poles and fatter around its equator. K |
Saddletramp (OP) User ID: 68373023 United States 06/03/2015 01:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Moon is Kingu, a former Satellite from Tiamat. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65267488 So it was formed long ago and captured by our Gravity Net. OP said no bullshit.... Nibiru Destroyed Tiamat and part of the planet became Ki, known today as Earth. The rest of Tiamat is the Asteroid Belt between Mars and Jupiter. This is part of the Sumerian Accounting: Nibiru Wind upon Tiamat then hovered, sweeping upon her gushing waters. Nibiru shot a lightning, to North Wind he gave a signal; In a brilliance was Tiamat's upper part to a region unknown carried. With her the bound Kingu was also exiled, of the severed part a companion to be. The hinder part's fate Nibiru then considered: As an everlasting trophy of the battle he wished it to be, A constant reminder in the heavens, the Place of the Battle to enshrine. With his mace the hinder part he smashed to bits and pieces, Then strung them together as a band to form a Hammered Bracelet. Locking them together, as watchmen he stationed them, A Firmament to divide the waters from the waters. The Upper Waters above the Firmament from the Waters Below it he separated; Artful works Nibiru thus fashioned. He addressed words to Apsu, to him thus saying: With your warming rays, to the wounds give healing! Let the broken part new life be given, in your family as a daughter to be, Let the waters to one place be gathered, let firm land appear! By Firm Land let her be called, Ki henceforth her name to be! Apsu to the words of Nibiru gave heed: Let the Earth join my family, Ki, Firm Land of the Below, let Earth her name henceforth be! By her turning let there day and night be; in the days my healing rays to her I shall provide. Let Kingu be a creature of the night, to shine at night 1 shall appoint him Earth's companion, the Moon forever to be! Nibiru the Words of Apsu with satisfaction heard. Yeah I knew about the Sumerian observations on that, I don't know that it's accepted science, but there are still a lot of scientists that believe the Asteroid Belt was the remnants of a planet... But consider this, even if our Moon is the remnants of another planet that was captured in our gravitational field, the question I posed still holds...why did it form itself into a Sphere if it doesn't spin on an axis in a manner that would equalize the forces of Gravity vs Momentum?!?!? "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
PirateMonkey User ID: 4509861 United States 06/03/2015 01:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The only explanation that makes sense to me is because it's been manipulated. Perfect rotation to match its orbit? More than coincidence. Would be exciting if in our lifetime we get to know the truth about what the moon really is. 7/11 was a part time job! Psalm 35:19 Let not them that are mine enemies wrongfully rejoice over me: neither let them wink with the eye that hate me without a cause. |
Saddletramp (OP) User ID: 68373023 United States 06/03/2015 01:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As many of you know I wax philosophic once in awhile, but then I also consider questions about our physical realm as well... Quoting: Saddletramp So here's the set up: I'm driving home from New Mexico last night and I had the opportunity to watch an absolutely gorgeous full moon come up on the Eastern Horizon. It was breathtakingly beautiful... But it got me thinking (which is sometimes not a good thing)...I understand the basic physics as to why our planet is a sphere. Spinning on an axis, maintaining it's own gravitational field, while rotating around a larger object (our Sun) and subject it's gravitational field, so I understand that with Gravity vs. Momentum and the constant equal sharing of that momentum due to our spinning like a top, it would naturally make our Planet Earth a sphere at its formation. But then there is the moon, which is also a sphere, and subject to some of the same forces as Earth, however the Moon doesn't spin on an axis, the same side faces the planet Earth at all times (why we always see the smiling face of the Man on the Moon looking down on us), so it would seem to me and my extremely basic and limited understanding of physics, that the Moon, again subject to Gravity vs. Momentum, but NOT subject to the constant equalization of those forces due to a spin on an axis, should be Oblong, bulging towards the gravity of the Earth, and in the opposite, the Momentum of it's rotation around the Earth. I'm sure I'm not the first person to ask this question (since there is nothing new under the Sun), and I mean the question legitimately with no ulterior motive...I've just simply never HEARD the question asked, so I've never heard the answer (which I'm sure there is an answer). Anyone know why our Moon is a sphere instead of pronouncedly Oblong? No conspiracy theories please, I'm just asking a question, which seems like a legitimate question to me... Actually spinning around the vertical axis tends to make moons, stars and planets less spherical. The process that makes a body, like the Moon, spherical is hydrostatic equilibrium. That's a way of saying all the forces on the particles that make up the Moon are in balance, so gravity is resisted by the mechanical strength of the rock. Any object large enough for its own gravity to overcome its rigidity is pulled into a spherical shape, it is the shape that allows the forces on the particles that make up the body to come into balance. Spinning on a axis, like the Moon does once a month, tends to turn the body into an oblate spheroid. That is a sphere that is flattened at its poles and fatter around its equator. K Yeah, that's what I said...Oblong. Okay, that answer makes sense, then that leads me to this question, how come in photographic representations, and visual observance we don't notice this Oblong shape?!?!? Is that just something with our atmosphere? Or is the shape just not pronounced enough to notice without measurement?!?!? "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
beebee User ID: 69133141 Canada 06/03/2015 01:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Psalm: Chapter 72, Verse 5 Modern English: They shall fear thee as long as the sun and the moon endure throughout all generations. Original Hebrew: Thou was feared since the time of the Sun and before the time of the Moon, a generation of generations. beebee |
dark User ID: 63700153 Trinidad and Tobago 06/03/2015 01:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It spins on its axis as it orbits earth so one moon day is 30 earth days long. That's why the same side is always facing us. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69098931 perfect and simple.. The moon orbits the earth and rotates o its axis its just the seed it does its at and how it orbits us we just don't notice as basically the two cancel each other out in our perspective. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55424224 United States 06/03/2015 01:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...eh beats a spaceship , io is written in a soft form with unstopable hard things. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69410937 But hmm in the deep astralblh It's difficult as vision is stuff and ideas after whatever evolution did but while going that deep theres nothing . And it holds is stable but sertain e waves are embedded blh But written in a way that it is like it is |
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~sIcKaNdTwIsTeD~ User ID: 65969492 United States 06/03/2015 01:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Moon, of course, rotates--at the same speed as it orbits the Earth. So, in the 27.32 days it takes the Moon to go around Earth, the Moon also spins about its axis one full revolution. That's why we always see the same face of the Moon. The moon, 1969, Apollo 12 mission. Photo courtesy of NASA. Now, the interesting part: why does the Moon spin about its axis at the same rate it orbits? In the distant past, the Earth's tidal pull on the Moon slowed the Moon's rotation to match the time it takes to go around Earth. This is tricky stuff. You know about the tides on Earth. The same forces work on the Moon. It isn't obvious there because the Moon lacks water but it happens. The Earth's gravitational attraction is stronger on the side of the Moon nearest to Earth and weaker on the opposite side. Since the Moon isn't perfectly rigid, it stretches out, like a ball of taffy, along the line between Earth and Moon. If we were on the Moon, we could, theoretically, see two bulges--one on the side facing Earth and the other directly opposite. Long ago when the Moon spun much faster, the Moon's tidal bulge preceded the Earth-Moon line because the Moon couldn't "snap back" its bulges quickly enough to keep its bulges in line with Earth, says James Hilton, Astronomer, U.S. Naval Observatory. The rotation swept the bulge beyond the Earth-Moon line. This out-of-line bulge caused a torque, slowing the Moon spin, like a wrench tightening a nut. When the Moon's spin slowed enough to match its orbital rate, then the bulge always faced Earth, the bulge was in line with Earth, and the torque disappeared. That's why the Moon rotates at the same rate as it orbits and we always see the same side of the Moon. In our solar system, almost all moons spin at the same rate as they orbit. We think the exceptions are ex-asteroids captured so recently that tidal forces have not yet equalized the orbital and rotational periods. "Not only did the Earth slow down the Moon's rotation," says Hilton, "but the Moon is slowing down the rotation rate of the Earth." The Moon, being small in relation to Earth, has a long ways to go before it slows Earth's spin rate to the Moon's orbital rate. It will take "twice the age of the solar system", says Hilton. One planet, Pluto, is small enough in relation to its moon that it's already happened. Pluto and its moon both always show the same face to each other. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 29634328 United Kingdom 06/03/2015 01:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As many of you know I wax philosophic once in awhile, but then I also consider questions about our physical realm as well... Quoting: Saddletramp So here's the set up: I'm driving home from New Mexico last night and I had the opportunity to watch an absolutely gorgeous full moon come up on the Eastern Horizon. It was breathtakingly beautiful... But it got me thinking (which is sometimes not a good thing)...I understand the basic physics as to why our planet is a sphere. Spinning on an axis, maintaining it's own gravitational field, while rotating around a larger object (our Sun) and subject it's gravitational field, so I understand that with Gravity vs. Momentum and the constant equal sharing of that momentum due to our spinning like a top, it would naturally make our Planet Earth a sphere at its formation. But then there is the moon, which is also a sphere, and subject to some of the same forces as Earth, however the Moon doesn't spin on an axis, the same side faces the planet Earth at all times (why we always see the smiling face of the Man on the Moon looking down on us), so it would seem to me and my extremely basic and limited understanding of physics, that the Moon, again subject to Gravity vs. Momentum, but NOT subject to the constant equalization of those forces due to a spin on an axis, should be Oblong, bulging towards the gravity of the Earth, and in the opposite, the Momentum of it's rotation around the Earth. I'm sure I'm not the first person to ask this question (since there is nothing new under the Sun), and I mean the question legitimately with no ulterior motive...I've just simply never HEARD the question asked, so I've never heard the answer (which I'm sure there is an answer). Anyone know why our Moon is a sphere instead of pronouncedly Oblong? No conspiracy theories please, I'm just asking a question, which seems like a legitimate question to me... Actually spinning around the vertical axis tends to make moons, stars and planets less spherical. The process that makes a body, like the Moon, spherical is hydrostatic equilibrium. That's a way of saying all the forces on the particles that make up the Moon are in balance, so gravity is resisted by the mechanical strength of the rock. Any object large enough for its own gravity to overcome its rigidity is pulled into a spherical shape, it is the shape that allows the forces on the particles that make up the body to come into balance. Spinning on a axis, like the Moon does once a month, tends to turn the body into an oblate spheroid. That is a sphere that is flattened at its poles and fatter around its equator. K Yeah, that's what I said...Oblong. Okay, that answer makes sense, then that leads me to this question, how come in photographic representations, and visual observance we don't notice this Oblong shape?!?!? Is that just something with our atmosphere? Or is the shape just not pronounced enough to notice without measurement?!?!? For the Moon, it's just not that noticeable. There is something on the flattening of oblate spheroids here [link to en.wikipedia.org] The Moon is just one part in 900 fatter around the equator than it is at the poles. Edit ) Also here [link to earthsky.org] it describes how there is a little more material on the side that faces Earth, resulting in its tidal locking. So you were right to suggest that the Moon's shape is distorted towards the Earth. K |
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Saddletramp (OP) User ID: 68373023 United States 06/03/2015 01:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As many of you know I wax philosophic once in awhile, but then I also consider questions about our physical realm as well... Quoting: Saddletramp So here's the set up: I'm driving home from New Mexico last night and I had the opportunity to watch an absolutely gorgeous full moon come up on the Eastern Horizon. It was breathtakingly beautiful... But it got me thinking (which is sometimes not a good thing)...I understand the basic physics as to why our planet is a sphere. Spinning on an axis, maintaining it's own gravitational field, while rotating around a larger object (our Sun) and subject it's gravitational field, so I understand that with Gravity vs. Momentum and the constant equal sharing of that momentum due to our spinning like a top, it would naturally make our Planet Earth a sphere at its formation. But then there is the moon, which is also a sphere, and subject to some of the same forces as Earth, however the Moon doesn't spin on an axis, the same side faces the planet Earth at all times (why we always see the smiling face of the Man on the Moon looking down on us), so it would seem to me and my extremely basic and limited understanding of physics, that the Moon, again subject to Gravity vs. Momentum, but NOT subject to the constant equalization of those forces due to a spin on an axis, should be Oblong, bulging towards the gravity of the Earth, and in the opposite, the Momentum of it's rotation around the Earth. I'm sure I'm not the first person to ask this question (since there is nothing new under the Sun), and I mean the question legitimately with no ulterior motive...I've just simply never HEARD the question asked, so I've never heard the answer (which I'm sure there is an answer). Anyone know why our Moon is a sphere instead of pronouncedly Oblong? No conspiracy theories please, I'm just asking a question, which seems like a legitimate question to me... Actually spinning around the vertical axis tends to make moons, stars and planets less spherical. The process that makes a body, like the Moon, spherical is hydrostatic equilibrium. That's a way of saying all the forces on the particles that make up the Moon are in balance, so gravity is resisted by the mechanical strength of the rock. Any object large enough for its own gravity to overcome its rigidity is pulled into a spherical shape, it is the shape that allows the forces on the particles that make up the body to come into balance. Spinning on a axis, like the Moon does once a month, tends to turn the body into an oblate spheroid. That is a sphere that is flattened at its poles and fatter around its equator. K Yeah, that's what I said...Oblong. Okay, that answer makes sense, then that leads me to this question, how come in photographic representations, and visual observance we don't notice this Oblong shape?!?!? Is that just something with our atmosphere? Or is the shape just not pronounced enough to notice without measurement?!?!? For the Moon, it's just not that noticeable. There is something on the flattening of oblate spheroids here [link to en.wikipedia.org] The Moon is just one part in 900 fatter around the equator than it is at the poles. Edit ) Also here [link to earthsky.org] it describes how there is a little more material on the side that faces Earth, resulting in its tidal locking. So you were right to suggest that the Moon's shape is distorted towards the Earth. K Okay, got ya...Thanks K "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 65695781 United States 06/03/2015 01:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The only explanation that makes sense to me is because it's been manipulated. Quoting: PirateMonkey Perfect rotation to match its orbit? More than coincidence. Would be exciting if in our lifetime we get to know the truth about what the moon really is. More than coincidence? it is the same characteristic of most of the other moons in the solar system. it is the natural end state for any orbiting body. |
PirateMonkey User ID: 4509861 United States 06/03/2015 01:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The only explanation that makes sense to me is because it's been manipulated. Quoting: PirateMonkey Perfect rotation to match its orbit? More than coincidence. Would be exciting if in our lifetime we get to know the truth about what the moon really is. More than coincidence? it is the same characteristic of most of the other moons in the solar system. it is the natural end state for any orbiting body. How about linking one other example then. 7/11 was a part time job! Psalm 35:19 Let not them that are mine enemies wrongfully rejoice over me: neither let them wink with the eye that hate me without a cause. |
Moraniac Clinging to my guns and Bibles User ID: 36729103 United States 06/03/2015 01:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As many of you know I wax philosophic once in awhile, but then I also consider questions about our physical realm as well... Quoting: Saddletramp So here's the set up: I'm driving home from New Mexico last night and I had the opportunity to watch an absolutely gorgeous full moon come up on the Eastern Horizon. It was breathtakingly beautiful... But it got me thinking (which is sometimes not a good thing)...I understand the basic physics as to why our planet is a sphere. Spinning on an axis, maintaining it's own gravitational field, while rotating around a larger object (our Sun) and subject it's gravitational field, so I understand that with Gravity vs. Momentum and the constant equal sharing of that momentum due to our spinning like a top, it would naturally make our Planet Earth a sphere at its formation. But then there is the moon, which is also a sphere, and subject to some of the same forces as Earth, however the Moon doesn't spin on an axis, the same side faces the planet Earth at all times (why we always see the smiling face of the Man on the Moon looking down on us), so it would seem to me and my extremely basic and limited understanding of physics, that the Moon, again subject to Gravity vs. Momentum, but NOT subject to the constant equalization of those forces due to a spin on an axis, should be Oblong, bulging towards the gravity of the Earth, and in the opposite, the Momentum of it's rotation around the Earth. I'm sure I'm not the first person to ask this question (since there is nothing new under the Sun), and I mean the question legitimately with no ulterior motive...I've just simply never HEARD the question asked, so I've never heard the answer (which I'm sure there is an answer). Anyone know why our Moon is a sphere instead of pronouncedly Oblong? No conspiracy theories please, I'm just asking a question, which seems like a legitimate question to me... If by "No conspiracy theories please" you mean, "don't bother telling me the truth, I want something plausible that will fit into my worldview, regardless of accuracy" then I'm sorry, I cannot do that. To answer your question, think of the Moon as a Titanium hull which is mostly hollow inside. Now imagine how that would ever become oblong as you theorize. There's your answer. Winter is Coming. |
Dr. Astro Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States 06/03/2015 01:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The only explanation that makes sense to me is because it's been manipulated. Quoting: PirateMonkey Perfect rotation to match its orbit? More than coincidence. Would be exciting if in our lifetime we get to know the truth about what the moon really is. More than coincidence? it is the same characteristic of most of the other moons in the solar system. it is the natural end state for any orbiting body. How about linking one other example then. Here are tons of examples: Phobos Deimos Metis Adrastea Amalthea Thebe Io Europa Ganymede Callisto Pan Atlas Prometheus Pandora Epimetheus Janus Mimas Enceladus Telesto Tethys Calypso Dione Rhea Titan Iapetus Miranda Ariel Umbriel Titania Oberon Proteus Triton Charon and Pluto are mutually locked to each other Tidal locking is an inevitable consequence of gravity. It's the rule rather than the exception, our Moon is quite normal in that regard. Here's a link to one example, as requested: Sidereal Orbit Period (Length of Year) 1.769 Earth days Sidereal Rotation Period (Length of Day) 1.769 Earth days [link to solarsystem.nasa.gov (secure)] Last Edited by Astromut on 06/03/2015 01:57 PM |
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Moraniac Clinging to my guns and Bibles User ID: 36729103 United States 06/03/2015 01:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It spins on its axis as it orbits earth so one moon day is 30 earth days long. That's why the same side is always facing us. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69098931 That's also true. It does rotate, just at the exact rate that allows the precisely same section of the Moon to be Earth-facing at all times. One of the many pieces of evidence as to why it's artificial and was placed there by intelligence. Winter is Coming. |