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How could ancient people possible know about stars, planets, moons, constellations and space?? | |
| It's a rhetoric question User ID: 48550359  United States10/03/2016 09:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sumerians, Egyptians, Mesopotamians, Greeks, Hindu, Meso Americans, and others, knew about stars, planets, moons, systems, constellations, galaxies and space for that matter. They named celestial bodies, they knew the DIFFERENCE between them, their mechanics and whatnot, and that's IMPOSSIBLE to be achieved with astronomical observation with proper equipment, telescopes, precision tools and whatnot. You ****CANNOT**** simply stargaze with your naked eye, you ***CANNOT*** simply call a piece of roughly polished glass attached to the opposite sides of a bamboo tube, a "telescope", as scholars tell you, but even if they could, they COULDN'T possibly know the DIFFERENCE between celestial bodies. This can only be achieved with satellites. Hence the question in my title is rhetoric, because they simply COULDN'T. Not without outside help, not without outside knowledge. Mesoamericans had dome observatories with hatches for huge telescopes. How did they get skills in engineering, mechanics, astrophysics to build them???? And where did their equipment go????? If you believe that ancient men skilled in astronomy got their knowledge database from eyeballing the night sky, you are part of the problem.  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72929750  Australia10/03/2016 09:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I dunno. They would have known every star in the sky. They would have realised the ones that don't move as much are probably further away and the ones that have rhythmic cycles were probably a lot closer and possibly worlds just like ours. Just because they were ancient doesn't mean they were stupid. Human physiology hasn't changed in 40,000 years. They had the same brains as us. |
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dogman17  User ID: 42627702 United States10/03/2016 09:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Without electricity to light the night, our ancestors had a better view and more time on their hands to look at the night sky. They also were very superstitious and monitored the night sky for unusual celestial occurrences. In addition, their lives depended upon accurate understanding of the solstices for farming. They were not stupid people and did very well without outside help. Just don't make anything up. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72280987 United States10/03/2016 09:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good question. Sumerians told us they got all the knowledge from the ones who came down from heaven. They basically are telling us something from the sky came down and taught us. May be more civilizations we didn't know about. Beings acting as gods, if that's true, wow, what a battle at one point coming up in our future, because they have good and bad sides so. Ya seen this? Ex Vatican Translator, Mauro Biglino , Bible Hoax, Alien Manipulation of Man, Genocide, Cloning Adds some weight to Sitchen's story. |
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| Utili User ID: 71286340 United States10/03/2016 09:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sumerians, Egyptians, Mesopotamians, Greeks, Hindu, Meso Americans, and others, knew about stars, planets, moons, systems, constellations, galaxies and space for that matter. Quoting: It's a rhetoric question 48550359 They named celestial bodies, they knew the DIFFERENCE between them, their mechanics and whatnot, and that's IMPOSSIBLE to be achieved with astronomical observation with proper equipment, telescopes, precision tools and whatnot. You ****CANNOT**** simply stargaze with your naked eye, you ***CANNOT*** simply call a piece of roughly polished glass attached to the opposite sides of a bamboo tube, a "telescope", as scholars tell you, but even if they could, they COULDN'T possibly know the DIFFERENCE between celestial bodies. This can only be achieved with satellites. Hence the question in my title is rhetoric, because they simply COULDN'T. Not without outside help, not without outside knowledge. Mesoamericans had dome observatories with hatches for huge telescopes. How did they get skills in engineering, mechanics, astrophysics to build them???? And where did their equipment go????? If you believe that ancient men skilled in astronomy got their knowledge database from eyeballing the night sky, you are part of the problem.   The future is not what it used to be. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72809898 United Kingdom10/03/2016 01:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I dunno. They would have known every star in the sky. They would have realised the ones that don't move as much are probably further away and the ones that have rhythmic cycles were probably a lot closer and possibly worlds just like ours. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72929750 Just because they were ancient doesn't mean they were stupid. Human physiology hasn't changed in 40,000 years. They had the same brains as us. That's not the point! The point is that NOBODY can tell what's a moon, what's a planet or what's a star, just by eyeballing the fucking sky. The ancient guy couldn't know what a planetary satellite is, UNLESS someone had explained to him. Sumerian couldn't know the exact number of planets and moons in our solar system, simply by eyeballing the night sky, that's simply impossible. Let alone telling the difference between them. Yet they knew, and according to scholars there was no other civilization before Sumerians that could have taught them that. Anyone who say otherwise is either a shill or stupid. This is just nonsense and I would be ashamed to death if I were a fucking astrophysics PhD making a living by telling this horseshit to people.  |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 49447652  Netherlands10/03/2016 05:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Only 5 planets are visible to the naked eye: Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. Still, how the fuck ancient men could tell planets from stars without telescopes, and without someone explaining them the difference???? Without BOTH, anything in the sky is only a bright dot And there's another problem: Sumerians knew ALL the planets in the inner system and some more in the Oort cloud. Forget about eyeballing, unless someone was fucking around with some VERY powerful telescopes in ancient times, there was NOOOOOOO way of knowing about space the way they knew. If so, that only raises more questions: 1. who taught them how to build telescopes? 2. why no archaeologist ever found an ancient telescope? Give it up stretch, anyway you try to explain it, only makes it more ludicrous.  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72929750 Australia10/03/2016 05:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I dunno. They would have known every star in the sky. They would have realised the ones that don't move as much are probably further away and the ones that have rhythmic cycles were probably a lot closer and possibly worlds just like ours. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72929750 Just because they were ancient doesn't mean they were stupid. Human physiology hasn't changed in 40,000 years. They had the same brains as us. That's not the point! The point is that NOBODY can tell what's a moon, what's a planet or what's a star, just by eyeballing the fucking sky. The ancient guy couldn't know what a planetary satellite is, UNLESS someone had explained to him. Sumerian couldn't know the exact number of planets and moons in our solar system, simply by eyeballing the night sky, that's simply impossible. Let alone telling the difference between them. Yet they knew, and according to scholars there was no other civilization before Sumerians that could have taught them that. Anyone who say otherwise is either a shill or stupid. This is just nonsense and I would be ashamed to death if I were a fucking astrophysics PhD making a living by telling this horseshit to people. Where are you getting your information that they knew about moons or other galaxies? I don't think that's accurate. Anyway.... they tell us that an alien race gave them this information, you obviously accept that. I need more solid data but I don't dismiss it entirely. The universe is big, "You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is". Anything is possible. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72929750 Australia10/03/2016 06:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Still, how the fuck ancient men could tell planets from stars without telescopes, and without someone explaining them the difference???? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49447652 Without BOTH, anything in the sky is only a bright dot That's just not true. The world planet means "wanderer" the ancients could tell the difference between a star and a planet because the planets wandered the sky in a reoccurring pattern. They didn't need to be told the difference because they could see it with their own eyes. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 73108827  Poland10/03/2016 06:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Only 5 planets are visible to the naked eye: Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. Still, how the fuck ancient men could tell planets from stars without telescopes, and without someone explaining them the difference???? Without BOTH, anything in the sky is only a bright dot And there's another problem: Sumerians knew ALL the planets in the inner system and some more in the Oort cloud. Forget about eyeballing, unless someone was fucking around with some VERY powerful telescopes in ancient times, there was NOOOOOOO way of knowing about space the way they knew. If so, that only raises more questions: 1. who taught them how to build telescopes? 2. why no archaeologist ever found an ancient telescope? Give it up stretch, anyway you try to explain it, only makes it more ludicrous. As to telling planets from stars, it is very simple, stars shimmer, planets give off stable light. As to other things, well its about 100,000 years of observations of the sky, but naturally this goes against mainstream history which says we were just savage beasts until Sumerians somehow sprang out of nowhere - btw the oldest writing in the world comes from Vinca culture stretching along the Danube, not from Sumerians. In fact one scientist has found out that the Rigveda mentions a setting of stars that could only be observed 90,000 years ago. In other words this book includes knowledge that may be almost 90,000 years old. Ancient people Also knew about precession which is a 26,000 year cycle... they knew waaaay more than you can imagine, but the parasitic cults called religions have destroyed this ancient knowledge. Oh and one more thing - swastika is possibly the oldest known symbol and its oldest depiction was found in Ukraine. It actually depicts the movement of the Big Dipper around Polaris its Big Dipper in four seasons. Naturally some of this knowledge could have come from external sources. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 49447652 Netherlands10/03/2016 06:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Still, how the fuck ancient men could tell planets from stars without telescopes, and without someone explaining them the difference???? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49447652 Without BOTH, anything in the sky is only a bright dot That's just not true. The world planet means "wanderer" the ancients could tell the difference between a star and a planet because the planets wandered the sky in a reoccurring pattern. They didn't need to be told the difference because they could see it with their own eyes. Everything is "wandering" in the sky. Stars also "wander" in the sky, the constellations also "wander" because they are orbiting the center of the galaxy and even the galaxies "wander" in the sky, they just do it in different times, different distances and different speeds. That doesn't mean you can tell WHAT is a planet, WHAT is a star, WHAT is a satellite just looking at stuff moving in the sky. Sumerians did it! Unless someone in the mainstream education system admit it's all a lie and they either had technology back in the day, or "someone else" NOT admittedly had it and told them about it, the official version is just horseshit. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72929750 Australia10/03/2016 06:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Still, how the fuck ancient men could tell planets from stars without telescopes, and without someone explaining them the difference???? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49447652 Without BOTH, anything in the sky is only a bright dot That's just not true. The world planet means "wanderer" the ancients could tell the difference between a star and a planet because the planets wandered the sky in a reoccurring pattern. They didn't need to be told the difference because they could see it with their own eyes. Everything is "wandering" in the sky. Stars also "wander" in the sky, the constellations also "wander" because they are orbiting the center of the galaxy and even the galaxies "wander" in the sky, they just do it in different times, different distances and different speeds. You don't seem to understand that the stars form a stable background for the planets in our solar system to wander past. They may move, but not as much as the planets, which is why they're given the name "wanderer" and the stars aren't. You're really underestimating the abilities of the ancients and overestimating how much they actually knew. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 49447652 Netherlands10/03/2016 06:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Only 5 planets are visible to the naked eye: Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. Still, how the fuck ancient men could tell planets from stars without telescopes, and without someone explaining them the difference???? Without BOTH, anything in the sky is only a bright dot And there's another problem: Sumerians knew ALL the planets in the inner system and some more in the Oort cloud. Forget about eyeballing, unless someone was fucking around with some VERY powerful telescopes in ancient times, there was NOOOOOOO way of knowing about space the way they knew. If so, that only raises more questions: 1. who taught them how to build telescopes? 2. why no archaeologist ever found an ancient telescope? Give it up stretch, anyway you try to explain it, only makes it more ludicrous. As to telling planets from stars, it is very simple, stars shimmer, planets give off stable light. Still you gotta have a prior notion of WHAT is a planet and WHAT is a star. They didn't simply decided overnight - hey, let's call the shimmering bright dot "star" and the unstable bright dot "planet"... you know, they didn't simply come up with fiery gas giants, inhabitable worlds, icy satellites and whatnot, out of the thin air. One doesn't make up stuff like that, you NEED a source. As to other things, well its about 100,000 years of observations of the sky, but naturally this goes against mainstream history which says we were just savage beasts until Sumerians somehow sprang out of nowhere - btw the oldest writing in the world comes from Vinca culture stretching along the Danube, not from Sumerians. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73108827 In fact one scientist has found out that the Rigveda mentions a setting of stars that could only be observed 90,000 years ago. In other words this book includes knowledge that may be almost 90,000 years old. Ancient people Also knew about precession which is a 26,000 year cycle... they knew waaaay more than you can imagine, but the parasitic cults called religions have destroyed this ancient knowledge. Oh and one more thing - swastika is possibly the oldest known symbol and its oldest depiction was found in Ukraine. It actually depicts the movement of the Big Dipper around Polaris its Big Dipper in four seasons. Naturally some of this knowledge could have come from external sources. There you go! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 49447652 Netherlands10/03/2016 07:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Still, how the fuck ancient men could tell planets from stars without telescopes, and without someone explaining them the difference???? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49447652 Without BOTH, anything in the sky is only a bright dot That's just not true. The world planet means "wanderer" the ancients could tell the difference between a star and a planet because the planets wandered the sky in a reoccurring pattern. They didn't need to be told the difference because they could see it with their own eyes. Everything is "wandering" in the sky. Stars also "wander" in the sky, the constellations also "wander" because they are orbiting the center of the galaxy and even the galaxies "wander" in the sky, they just do it in different times, different distances and different speeds. You don't seem to understand that the stars form a stable background for the planets in our solar system to wander past. They may move, but not as much as the planets, which is why they're given the name "wanderer" and the stars aren't. You don't seem to understand that "stable background" depends only on your perspective. If you could live a hundred thousand years, your perspective of what's wandering in the sky would differ A LOT from someone who lives barely 80. Sumerian records give account of kings who ruled for over 30,000 years, some ruled for over 60,000 years. - After the kingship descended from heaven, the kingship was in Eridug. In Eridug, Alulim became king; he ruled for 28800 years. Alaljar ruled for 36000 years. 2 kings; they ruled for 64800 years. Then Eridug fell and the kingship was taken to Bad-tibira. In Bad-tibira, En-men-lu-ana ruled for 43200 years. En-men-gal-ana ruled for 28800 years. Dumuzid, the shepherd, ruled for 36000 years. Quoting: [link to etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk] Just so we're clear, this is not Zecharia Sitchin's translation, it's Oxford's translation. OBVIOUSLY Sumerians were NOT what we are told they were, and it's YOU who are underestimating the forbidden history of mankind |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72929750 Australia10/03/2016 07:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OBVIOUSLY Sumerians were NOT what we are told they were, and it's YOU who are underestimating the forbidden history of mankind Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49447652 As I've stated previously in this thread I don't dismiss the idea of "ancient aliens" etc But we have a scientific process for a reason and I look forward to the empirical data on the existence of these Kings that descended from heaven. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72929750 Australia10/03/2016 07:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Still you gotta have a prior notion of WHAT is a planet and WHAT is a star. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49447652 They didn't simply decided overnight - hey, let's call the shimmering bright dot "star" and the unstable bright dot "planet"... you know, they didn't simply come up with fiery gas giants, inhabitable worlds, icy satellites and whatnot, out of the thin air. One doesn't make up stuff like that, you NEED a source. Um, yeah ya do... its called "discovery". |
| Bridge of Sighs User ID: 1347659 United States10/03/2016 07:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If I told you, you would not believe me, and that is where man will fail. Just as he has done three times prior to our Pisonic Age.... "The Physical World is a mystery, wrapped in an enigma, coated in a conundrum, basted with a paradox and garnished with uncertainty" |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72809898 United Kingdom10/03/2016 07:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OBVIOUSLY Sumerians were NOT what we are told they were, and it's YOU who are underestimating the forbidden history of mankind Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49447652 As I've stated previously in this thread I don't dismiss the idea of "ancient aliens" etc But we have a scientific process for a reason and I look forward to the empirical data on the existence of these Kings that descended from heaven. Assuming you're in Australia, you don't have to look too much for empirical data, you can always drive all the way to Pine Gap, knock on their gates and nicely ask to see the stuff they helped Americans steal from the Ziggurat of Ur.  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72809898 United Kingdom10/03/2016 07:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Still you gotta have a prior notion of WHAT is a planet and WHAT is a star. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49447652 They didn't simply decided overnight - hey, let's call the shimmering bright dot "star" and the unstable bright dot "planet"... you know, they didn't simply come up with fiery gas giants, inhabitable worlds, icy satellites and whatnot, out of the thin air. One doesn't make up stuff like that, you NEED a source. Um, yeah ya do... its called "discovery". Um, no, ya don't... in order to "discover" something you have to be looking in the right direction with a slight idea about what you're looking for. You don't really believe that people come up with gravity theories just because an apple fell from the tree on their heads, do you??? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 70420482  Spain10/03/2016 08:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sumerian records give account of kings who ruled for over 30,000 years, some ruled for over 60,000 years. - After the kingship descended from heaven, the kingship was in Eridug. In Eridug, Alulim became king; he ruled for 28800 years. Alaljar ruled for 36000 years. 2 kings; they ruled for 64800 years. Then Eridug fell and the kingship was taken to Bad-tibira. In Bad-tibira, En-men-lu-ana ruled for 43200 years. En-men-gal-ana ruled for 28800 years. Dumuzid, the shepherd, ruled for 36000 years. Quoting: [link to etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk] Just so we're clear, this is not Zecharia Sitchin's translation, it's Oxford's translation. OBVIOUSLY Sumerians were NOT what we are told they were, and it's YOU who are underestimating the forbidden history of mankind Man I'm gonna tell you... if the Sumerian kingship list is accurate, that blows up the entire official history to shit, because they all together ruled over 1 million years, what makes Sumer WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY older than "6,000 years", what means that there was no ice age when they say there was, civilization goes back WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY far in pre-history and everything we "know" is an epic lie.  |
