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Why did Newtown police chief think officers might "kill themselves" after Sandy Hook? | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 68221914  United States05/29/2018 02:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why did Kehoe think of this? His fears say as much about what he knows, as what the officers know. The state police are aware of Newtown's situation, too, and for at least some time after December 14th, "weren't speaking" to NPD. Why? All these questions lead to the same issue. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 76467549 United States05/30/2018 02:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Two years ago, almost to the day: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76467549 "Following the 2012 massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School, then-Newtown police Chief Michael Kehoe asked federal agencies to help prepare a road map for how departments across the country should handle the aftermath of a mass shooting....The report...includes a three-page letter from Lori Kehoe...who wrote about how one of her husband's biggest fears was that some Newtown officers would kill themselves..." [link to www.courant.com] Let's get real here. PTSD suicides are largely the result of guilt--not simple witnessing of death. Iraq vets kill themselves over guilt for taking civilian lives (ask them), not random PTSD over operations against other gun-wielding combatants. In what other tragedy in the years before or after Sandy Hook has the primary worry been that the responding officers might later commit suicide? I don't blame the chief one bit for worrying that his men might commit suicide. That admission on his part, however, is a startling Freudian. Why would NPD officers feel so much guilt after Sandy Hook that they might become suicidal? We've already determined why. No good comes of the fraying attempt to suppress the truth. In further reading on this issue, psychologists are making a distinction between feelings of "guilt" and "shame," saying shame can often be the primary emotion for suicide ideation post-incident. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76500261 United States05/30/2018 09:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyone participating in an "in-the-know" role in a secretive government project psy-op must be carefully vetted in advance. Just as in high-end intel personnel: 1. The person must not have what most people would consider a "conscience." This is essentially being free from the burden of what most of us hold as basic human morality. Extensive psychological testing can identify this quality in a person. In earlier times, people like this were called "evil"; in modern times they are called "leaders," as they are useful pawns in carrying out elite interests. 2. The person must be respond to the orders of their superior(s) without question, not necessarily the principles of the U.S. Constitution or, as noted, above basic human morality. People with these qualities are used in operations where the ends justify the means. They types of people can be found at all levels of society. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 74841941 United States05/30/2018 09:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I know a guy who took part in a cleanup operation of a school that was blown up by Taliban suicide bomber. Something like 30 kids blown to bits. He was never the same after, it was a decade ago and I still worry about him. He had done two combat tours previous to that where he saw serious action and was fine. You don't fucking know shit, OP. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 76467549 United States05/31/2018 12:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I know a guy who took part in a cleanup operation of a school that was blown up by Taliban suicide bomber. Something like 30 kids blown to bits. Quoting: R. Wordsworth He was never the same after, it was a decade ago and I still worry about him. He had done two combat tours previous to that where he saw serious action and was fine. You don't fucking know shit, OP. Well I'm sure that means NPD couldn't possibly be at-risk because of guilt, then. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 76467549 United States05/31/2018 12:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I know a guy who took part in a cleanup operation of a school that was blown up by Taliban suicide bomber. Something like 30 kids blown to bits. Quoting: R. Wordsworth He was never the same after, it was a decade ago and I still worry about him. He had done two combat tours previous to that where he saw serious action and was fine. You don't fucking know shit, OP. By the way, you're lying. US military resources are not used to "clean up" strikes against civilians unless the strike was carried out by the US military itself. We don't "clean up" properties that have been struck/bombed/raided/otherwise demolished by an insurgent group. The US military is not a cleaning operation. And we sure as hell weren't "cleaning up" schools in Afghanistan in 2008. There aren't enough personnel resources to go around "cleaning up" foreign civilian tragedies. We are there (as you may or may not know) to protect, guard, and serve AMERICAN resources. If and only if we accidentally or heaven forbid purposely strike (a large) civilian population do we then go in to "clean up" aka cover our asses and pretend to care. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76632383 United States05/31/2018 12:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 76467549 United States05/31/2018 12:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76580155 United States05/31/2018 01:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let's get real here. PTSD suicides are largely the result of guilt--not simple witnessing of death. Iraq vets kill themselves over guilt for taking civilian lives (ask them), not random PTSD over operations against other gun-wielding combatants. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76467549 'simple witnessing of death' 'random PTSD over operations' You really need to spend more time investigating this particular subject matter because these statements reflect a serious lack of understanding... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 49143694 United States05/31/2018 11:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let's get real here. PTSD suicides are largely the result of guilt--not simple witnessing of death. Iraq vets kill themselves over guilt for taking civilian lives (ask them), not random PTSD over operations against other gun-wielding combatants. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76467549 'simple witnessing of death' 'random PTSD over operations' You really need to spend more time investigating this particular subject matter because these statements reflect a serious lack of understanding... You're making a case that officers become suicidal over simply witnessing death. I'm making a case that officers become even more prone to suicide after causing death themselves; and they become most suicidal after causing the death of innocents. Witnessing death doesn't automatically equal shame; causing it to a non-combatant often does. We have no (extant) depositions from the officers saying one or more of them caused an accidental death; however, there are many documents and interviews which raise red flags about a possible accident in the first minutes of the response. There were enough red flags (including the state police's pointed grilling of the main suspect) that this became an issue in the first place. Lawyers know Kehoe's statement is a problem. Personally, I'm glad they care--that shows there is a chance of justice, yet (and I don't mean jailing some officer; I mean exposing the response flaw so we can prevent it from happening again). |
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| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 76467549 United States06/02/2018 12:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ^I'm so glad someone still has to babysit this case. I'm glad Malloy has to pay for it. I'm glad he's not allowed to forget. It is his responsibility to come clean to the American people and admit the simple but tragic, fatal errors made on December 14. It is incredibly sad that citizens have to do the work he and his administration are paid to do. Instead they take your tax dollars and use it to muzzle us. Ah well. We won't give up. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 49143694 United States06/04/2018 12:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | (a) The opinion regarding suicide is from the wife of one officer, not the police chief. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75506405 (b) Mental illness problems, including PTSD, is a common issue among emergency workers worldwide. ^ If there are any real people here, pay attention to the fact that the more serious shills make arguments not from a truthseeker's or "interested citizen" standpoint, but from a legal standpoint. That's because they have been hired by law firms (via PR firms). Sandy Hook threads are rife with legalese--interesting, eh? It is incredibly ironic, however, that it would have been nearly impossible to solve this case without the shills having been here. It is the nature of truth to reveal itself over time and with effort; the PR-bot presence here provided the necessary back-and-forth which allowed those of us who are actually serious researchers to sharpen our lens. It's always that way with lying. The more you talk, the more you reveal. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 49143694 United States06/05/2018 10:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you watch the video interviews with these men, knowing what we now know, the answer is clear. Why aren't CSP guys and their managers worrying about suicide ideation? All the related evidence points at the same thing, and it's the same thing CSP is mad at NPD about to this day. No NPD guy meant to do anything but good that day. This is about a tragic turn of events--the point is that it is a turn of events that could happen to ANY department. Without addressing it, and training on it, children in the future could lose their lives, again, unnecessarily. It may even already have happened, at least once. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 53487530 Canada05/04/2019 07:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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| UH User ID: 76372983 United States05/09/2019 09:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Two years ago, almost to the day: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76467549 "Following the 2012 massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School, then-Newtown police Chief Michael Kehoe asked federal agencies to help prepare a road map for how departments across the country should handle the aftermath of a mass shooting....The report...includes a three-page letter from Lori Kehoe...who wrote about how one of her husband's biggest fears was that some Newtown officers would kill themselves..." [link to www.courant.com] Let's get real here. PTSD suicides are largely the result of guilt--not simple witnessing of death. Iraq vets kill themselves over guilt for taking civilian lives (ask them), not random PTSD over operations against other gun-wielding combatants. In what other tragedy in the years before or after Sandy Hook has the primary worry been that the responding officers might later commit suicide? I don't blame the chief one bit for worrying that his men might commit suicide. That admission on his part, however, is a startling Freudian. Why would NPD officers feel so much guilt after Sandy Hook that they might become suicidal? We've already determined why. No good comes of the fraying attempt to suppress the truth. IF DEY DUNT LIKE DERE SWEETHEART REAL ESTATE DEALS..THEN, WE WACK EM JOEY...! they won't commit suicide, they get "suicided" - nomesayn? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 54547252 United States05/09/2019 09:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 52906921 United States05/14/2019 10:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | because they were being threatened so hard Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35799703 by the men in the black suvs. Thread: FBI Intimidating Sandy Hook Residents into Silence, RAW Video of Inside the School |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76792534 United States05/14/2019 11:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Go back and look at some of the photos at Sandy Hook, taken during the incident. You will photos of officers jogging along with their tactical rifles, smiling. They seem to be treating the situation like a "training" exercise, not a crime scene where a bunch of small children had their heads blown off. |
FlashBuzzkill  User ID: 75251329 United States05/14/2019 11:50 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is what lead to me to believe children might have been killed in a bathroom by police. Nervously searching for a gunman and hearing noise behind the door an officer unloads a clip only to find he shot a bunch of 1st graders. That's if anyone actually was killed of course. Gen. John B Gordon and Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest were the finest citizen-soldiers birthed in America. |
