Skeletons Sitting in Burned Out Cars at California's Camp Fire.

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... and the temp to CREMATE? and doesn't fire have to be FED CONTINUALLY till the body is burned? ...
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Unless if said fire is ultra hot. Then it can be fast moving yet carbonize humans in just a few minutes or less time.

Ignoring the Conspiracy Theory types (yes I know this is GLP) all indications are that for the Camp Fire a High Voltage line either shorted because it was hit by some moving tree in the high winds, or fell ... in any case something caused a SMALL fire to start.

In those super dry and windy conditions a small fire can spread to a couple of hundred acres of grass and pine needle covered ground in less that 15 minutes ... and once it does that it is off to the races ... I SAW THAT EXACT THING HAPPEN NEAR COlUMBIA CALIFORNIA in the Sierra Foothills back in early August of 1993 or 1994 while I was on vacation there with the family.

15 minutes after that fire started, it started about 10:30 AM (illegal campfire), they actually had TWO trucks on it right near the ignition source and 45 minutes after it started they had more trucks on it. Within 3 hours of it starting they had about 50+ trucks and 10+ aerial tankers, by 4 they had nearly 25 aerial tankers working it, but it was uncontainable (back then Columbia was where they keep most of the Aerial Tankers in California and most of the full time fire crews, between fires, so the crews, planes, slurry mix etc. were already there ready to go at a moment's notice).

By the time we were trying to skidaddle over the Sierra's at 4 PM, heading over to the desert so as to go up to Tahoe on the good desert highway, the fire was up to nearly 50,000 acres (one firefighter told me over 60,000 acres) ... and they were closing the route we were taking across the Sierras right behind our vehicle as we drove up and over the mountains heading straight east. The firefighters told us it was physically moving up to 15 to 25 mph across the ground at that point in time (and we would be OK as long as we kept going east and didn't stop anywhere). The fire had started just about 150' off the road we had taken from Yosemite to Columbia that morning about 15 minutes after we passed the location of where it started ... if we had been a half an hour later driving down that road we might have been right in the middle of that exploding fire ourselves.


The fire I saw was started by a few wind blown embers from a SMALL campfire ... it doesn't take much to get a HUGE fire started out there in California if the conditions are right and it starts in an area with lots of bone dry tinder, or super dry grasslands, and the wind is blowing hard. NO super duper weapons of any sort or high tech devices needed (sorry conspiracy people). Just one match, or one big spark from anything, is all it takes.

I learned from my experience that if one of those fires starts up in California in the dry season with high winds you may literally only have a window of 5 to 15 minutes to get out of a location, and if the roads are windy or go in the wrong direction the speed of your movement AWAY from the fire may actually be very slow compared to how fast the fire is moving - since the fire can be moving in a straight line whereas the roads in the mountains NEVER go in a straight line.

That is my only personal experience with a California Wildfire back in the mountains (I live in the Midwest) and I was shocked at how fast they can both grow and MOVE!! NOT a force to be treated lightly.

I LOVE the back country of California ... it is so beautiful ... so I understand why people want to live there ... but OH the FIRE RISK is so high that I don't think I could bring myself to live there myself ... I'll just visit, Thank You.

Last Edited by Midwest Skeptic on 11/11/2018 02:58 PM

70's? Internet? They barely had the protocols in place. Back then, what of it there was---was like a newsgroup. Windows wasn't even here.

Yes, I'm old enough to remember that sort of thing.

I vaguely remember some of "the first messages sent through a computer" in the mid 80s.

And a chatroom that was nothing but a basic DOS screen black background in the early 90s.

Before that, I was just staring at the screen going, "So, I type this command? Right?" and not talking to anyone.

When there is ANY FIRE... GET THE FUCK OUT!!!

Consider the Bradford City fire. From the first seat on fire to the entire stand going up is well under 2 minutes.

There is a point at the 80 second point when the fire actually is travelling at 60 MILES AN HOUR down the stand.

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Is all powerful. Where was He?

takes a long time for the bones to turn to ash.

That is just horrible. Those poor people.
I couldn't understand him at one point, were his dogs OK or did he lose them :(

Well, when your Sodom or Gamorah he executes judgement with an iron scepter. Calinucoria. What a bunch of evil loons.

RIP thats horrible

They seriously need to investigate this fire.
Fucking ridiculous

Camp Fire is a location. It wasn't an out of control camping fire.

At the other side receiving their souls. In that realm, everything is now.

Nice story Midwest Skeptic. I saw a similar one.

About 10 years ago I was sitting in my car and a flash caught my attention. It was a bolt of lightening hitting the peak of a mountain in Southern CA. Three more lightening strikes hit that same peak. This later became a 125,000 acre fire that burned Pioneer Town near Yucca Valley, CA. It was the lead story on CNN for a week. Just a lightening bolt started the whole darn thing. Cars and homes were incinerated just like what we are seeing today. No DEW, no ISIS, no nonsense. That's just how fires go in CA.

What exactly was brave about that? Looks more like stupidity to me.

Holy fuck, that is some nuclear war scene type shit right there.

Dayum. RIP.

@2:01

"She had to put her makeup on, she died because of it."

Priorities, priorities.

"I swear Beth, if the whole goddamned neighborhood was burning down you would insist on spending an hour and a half putting your face on...come on, let's go!"

HOW is that possible?!

Those vehicles are MELTED! Melted aluminum puddles on the street!

BUT THE FUCKING TREES STILL STAND-some with their LEAVES STILL ATTACHED!

WTF!

Bodies turned to ash and bone, yet the trees are still standing. Bullshit.

What was wrong with stopping in a tunnel?

Big fires like that or any fire for that matter, feed themselves, through convection.

Depends on how much wildfire is in front of you.

It's a gamble really.

Like running out of gas and missing your exit but you keep pushing on, hoping there's another shot, another station up ahead.

People in survival situations like that are LITERALLY gambling with their lives.

HOLY Shit. Oh man this is awful.

ask any marine that witnessed the directed energy weapons effects in Irak

same shit here , or god owns microwave maser weapons ....?

I melted aluminum in scrap wood fire so it's possible.

No they arent. Like the ones last year where plastic garbage cans weren't burnt or melted. No debris in pools.
So sad for the people losing everything.

More like, effective means for making more homeless.