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What Reagan actually said about border security – according to history, not according to Trump

 
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Ronald Regan: “Rather than talking about putting up a fence, why don’t we work out some recognition of our mutual problems, make it possible for them to come here legally with a work permit,” he said. “And then while they’re working and earning here, they pay taxes here. And when they want to go back they can go back.”

The border, he said, should be open “both ways” – and border security policy should take into account the economic challenges facing Mexico.

Reagan’s words that night, and his stance in countless other public and private statements as president, contrast starkly with the false history lesson President Trump offered Friday in an early morning tweet, hours before a potential government shutdown over funding for the president’s border wall.


“Even President Ronald Reagan tried for 8 years to build a Border Wall, or Fence, and was unable to do so,” the president wrote in a tweet. “Others also have tried. We will get it done, one way or the other!”

Trump’s simplified characterization of Reagan’s policies are not accurate.

“There was not any discussion at the senior policy levels during the Reagan administration about fencing or a wall that I can recall,” Doris Meissner, who was executive associate commissioner of the Immigration and Naturalization Service during the Reagan administration, wrote in an email.

Reagan signed a sweeping immigration reform bill into law in 1986, which made any immigrant who entered the country before 1982 eligible for amnesty.

“I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and who have lived here, even though some time back, they may have entered illegally,” Reagan said during a 1984 presidential debate.

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this is the same man who legalized Abortion and

who is responsible for the Murder of 90 million American citizens.
Evil controls the ignorant... Climate change is a hoax so is the vax you have been fear-porned into compliance!

Definition Satan from the bible: Satan (Rev 12:7) exercising his subtle (indirect) impact on heathen governments (powers) – i.e. accomplishing his hellish agenda from "behind the scenes."
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this is the same man who legalized Abortion and

who is responsible for the Murder of 90 million American citizens.
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Reagan hater much?
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this is the same man who legalized Abortion and

who is responsible for the Murder of 90 million American citizens.
 Quoting: Jake


Reagan hater much?
 Quoting: Sardonicus Landshark


Trump hater much?
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this is the same man who legalized Abortion and

who is responsible for the Murder of 90 million American citizens.
 Quoting: Jake


Reagan hater much?
 Quoting: Sardonicus Landshark


Well the number of his name does add up to exactly

666


And he did legalize Abortion, and was a regular member

of the Moloch ceremonies at Bohemian Grove.


Moloch is the false God you offer your children up to be

murdered, Moloch is also known as Lucifer in the bible.

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Evil controls the ignorant... Climate change is a hoax so is the vax you have been fear-porned into compliance!

Definition Satan from the bible: Satan (Rev 12:7) exercising his subtle (indirect) impact on heathen governments (powers) – i.e. accomplishing his hellish agenda from "behind the scenes."
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GIVE ME A BREAK....Regan was a actor....a VERY good actor!

Again, things don't "just happen" in politics.

His films made him out to be something he wasn't in real life!

He was the best tool the "deep state" had since Johnson!!
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GIVE ME A BREAK....Regan was a actor....a VERY good actor!

Again, things don't "just happen" in politics.

His films made him out to be something he wasn't in real life!

He was the best tool the "deep state" had since Johnson!!
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Definition Satan from the bible: Satan (Rev 12:7) exercising his subtle (indirect) impact on heathen governments (powers) – i.e. accomplishing his hellish agenda from "behind the scenes."
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Ronald Regan: “Rather than talking about putting up a fence, why don’t we work out some recognition of our mutual problems, make it possible for them to come here legally with a work permit,” he said. “And then while they’re working and earning here, they pay taxes here. And when they want to go back they can go back.”

The border, he said, should be open “both ways” – and border security policy should take into account the economic challenges facing Mexico.

Reagan’s words that night, and his stance in countless other public and private statements as president, contrast starkly with the false history lesson President Trump offered Friday in an early morning tweet, hours before a potential government shutdown over funding for the president’s border wall.


“Even President Ronald Reagan tried for 8 years to build a Border Wall, or Fence, and was unable to do so,” the president wrote in a tweet. “Others also have tried. We will get it done, one way or the other!”

Trump’s simplified characterization of Reagan’s policies are not accurate.

“There was not any discussion at the senior policy levels during the Reagan administration about fencing or a wall that I can recall,” Doris Meissner, who was executive associate commissioner of the Immigration and Naturalization Service during the Reagan administration, wrote in an email.

Reagan signed a sweeping immigration reform bill into law in 1986, which made any immigrant who entered the country before 1982 eligible for amnesty.

“I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and who have lived here, even though some time back, they may have entered illegally,” Reagan said during a 1984 presidential debate.

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 Quoting: Sardonicus Landshark


Then the left screwed Reagan! They knocked down work visas!
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this is the same man who legalized Abortion and

who is responsible for the Murder of 90 million American citizens.
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Reagan hater much?
 Quoting: Sardonicus Landshark


Trump hater much?
 Quoting: Crimea River


No, but I am a great admirer of Ronald Reagan.

Donald Trump said: “Even President Ronald Reagan tried for 8 years to build a Border Wall, or Fence, and was unable to do so".

And that is false.
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 Quoting: Sardonicus Landshark


he's talking about a controlled program of work permits, tracked and monitored...he's not calling for "open borders".
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he's talking about a controlled program of work permits, tracked and monitored...he's not calling for "open borders".
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Exactly. And he is rejecting the idea of a wall or fence.

Trump said: “Even President Ronald Reagan tried for 8 years to build a Border Wall, or Fence, and was unable to do so".

Trump's statement is not true.
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Wonder what the border crossing numbers were then, vs today...and is anyone actually monitoring in ANY way, who, and how many are crossing?
...or do some believe this just doesn't matter...?? Our debt situation is going to burst if we keep giving something (expensive social program benefits) for nothing (non taxpaying) to an increasing immigrant population.

...what am I missing?
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Wonder what the border crossing numbers were then, vs today...and is anyone actually monitoring in ANY way, who, and how many are crossing?
...or do some believe this just doesn't matter...?? Our debt situation is going to burst if we keep giving something (expensive social program benefits) for nothing (non taxpaying) to an increasing immigrant population.

...what am I missing?
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When Reagan left office in 1986, around the middle of his terms, there were 1,615,844 people apprehended for illegal border crossing.

In FY 2017, there were 303,916 people apprehended for illegal border crossing.

[link to www.cbp.gov (secure)]

There was more of a crisis in 1986 than there is now.
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Wonder what the border crossing numbers were then, vs today...and is anyone actually monitoring in ANY way, who, and how many are crossing?
...or do some believe this just doesn't matter...?? Our debt situation is going to burst if we keep giving something (expensive social program benefits) for nothing (non taxpaying) to an increasing immigrant population.

...what am I missing?
 Quoting: hotdogg


When Reagan left office in 1986, around the middle of his terms, there were 1,615,844 people apprehended for illegal border crossing.

In FY 2017, there were 303,916 people apprehended for illegal border crossing.

[link to www.cbp.gov (secure)]

There was more of a crisis in 1986 than there is now.
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The border, he said, should be open “both ways” – and border security policy should take into account the economic challenges facing Mexico.

Reagan’s words that night, and his stance in countless other public and private statements as president, contrast starkly with the false history lesson President Trump offered Friday in an early morning tweet, hours before a potential government shutdown over funding for the president’s border wall.


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This person, posting currently under the name Sardonicus Landshark, but frequently changing names, because of the nefarious nature of their activities on this board, has the sole purpose of tearing down President Trump and demoralizing Trump supporters. He has bad intentions! He is not worth answering to talking to. He is single minded in trying to cause discouragement.
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The border, he said, should be open “both ways” – and border security policy should take into account the economic challenges facing Mexico.

Reagan’s words that night, and his stance in countless other public and private statements as president, contrast starkly with the false history lesson President Trump offered Friday in an early morning tweet, hours before a potential government shutdown over funding for the president’s border wall.


T
 Quoting: Sardonicus Landshark


This person, posting currently under the name Sardonicus Landshark, but frequently changing names, because of the nefarious nature of their activities on this board, has the sole purpose of tearing down President Trump and demoralizing Trump supporters. He has bad intentions! He is not worth answering to talking to. He is single minded in trying to cause discouragement.
 Quoting: Crayma


because he was quoting Ronald Reagan and facts from cbp?
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The border, he said, should be open “both ways” – and border security policy should take into account the economic challenges facing Mexico.

Reagan’s words that night, and his stance in countless other public and private statements as president, contrast starkly with the false history lesson President Trump offered Friday in an early morning tweet, hours before a potential government shutdown over funding for the president’s border wall.


T
 Quoting: Sardonicus Landshark


This person, posting currently under the name Sardonicus Landshark, but frequently changing names, because of the nefarious nature of their activities on this board, has the sole purpose of tearing down President Trump and demoralizing Trump supporters. He has bad intentions! He is not worth answering to talking to. He is single minded in trying to cause discouragement.
 Quoting: Crayma


because he was quoting Ronald Reagan and facts from cbp?
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Beats the shit out of me. Reagan was an incredible orator.
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