How Benzodiazepines finally kill you... (And you thought popping pills was all fun and games)

Even with all my politically incorrect/Anti-Establishment/ and just plain odd threads, all of you honest people out there who understand what this thread is about, see that I do have a side that truly does want to inform and help people out of a bad situation.

My doc gave me 10 1mg Lorazapams, I took them over a month and got hooked... took me 6 months to get off that shit with liquid tapering, the problem with benzos is the doctors don't acknowledge the terrible withdrawals and make you fend for yourself, took me a few months to figure out that its the meds fucking with me and not something really wrong with me. stay away from benzos

I need to get back to work, so this will likely be my last post in this thread on this issue, unless a rebuttal is needed for a big pharma shill that doesn't want you to know that this stuff is pure DEATH.

In the game 'Metal Gear Solid' one of the items that Snake had in his possession, and needed as a necessity for straight shooter sniping, was 'Diazepam'.

Now what is Diazepam? it's a Benzodiazepine also known as 'Valium'.

Why is this interesting? because the Las Vegas shooter that killed nearly 60 people, and shot and wounded nearly 1000 people, was on this specific Benzo, and neither Law Enforcement, the Medical Examiner, or any other official entity wanted to even go near addressing this.

Benzos have an externally dangerous side to them, not just an internally dangerous side, and under certain circumstances, they'll allow you to murder people wholesale with no feeling and no mercy at all.

Metal Gear Solid contained some truth, a lot of it really.

FYI: Valium is a very weak Benzo in comparison to Xanax and Klonopin, but if you take enough of it, the similarity in effects start to align.

Be safe people, and don't let the big pharma shills tell you that there's anything safe about this class of drugs, because there's not.

This guy 'Cannabis Kills' likely works for big pharma, because if he didn't, he would be warning about other classes of drugs, not just one specific drug that, although does contain negative and harmful effects, is completely benign in comparison to Benzodiazepines and Opioids. Don't even bother reading this guy's posts anymore, and do your own research.

For all you EX-Opioid addicts, very potent Marijuana actually stimulates the U-Opioid receptor via a downstream effect, so this is actually something that can potentially help you get away from Opioids, in moderation and with responsibility.

God speed, and good luck.

Another honest broker. Thank you for telling the truth.

switch to drink and taper from that

Just like all drugs and alcohol. If they are abused you will have problems up to and including death.

Use as directed and only when you really need them, you will be fine.


It's always the weak minded people that become addicted to drugs and alcohol.

Last Edited by Hogleg on 01/27/2019 07:13 PM

I'm prescribed 1-2mg Klonopin. I was having problems with headaches, anxiety, etc. to the point I couldn't function.

I tried multiple drugs until one started working (Depakote) an anticonvulsant). Klonopin is an anticonvulsant.

If I can function, then I'm better than before I started taking them.

As for violence, it does not cause you to be violent. That's utter nonsense. I'm one of the most peaceful people you'll meet.

Now, since 90% of your talk is fear tactics about benzos including saying they make people violent (completely false).

I'd say your an idiot. The drug works as an anticonvulsant without any pain. When its TIME to come off, you taper, very slowly.

Then, the original problems you had come back.

The end. Fuck off.

Some people develop a tolerance after regular use for two weeks, needing a higher dose to induce the same effects; others report using them for years with few adverse effects. For most, stopping is the problem: they can experience a range of painful psychological and physical symptoms, worse than their original complaint.

DOCTORS SUED FOR CREATING 'VALIUM ADDICTS'
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Last Edited by Electric Ladyland 33 on 01/27/2019 07:53 PM

Are you a pharmacist OP? How is it you're so knowledgeable?

Me too. I get 20 .5mg a month and only take when needed. Drink like a college student too. Haven't taken one in 3 or 4 days now and I'm fine. Some days I need to to keep from loosing my mind over stupid BS. The list is to long to type here. They keep me from blowing a fuse if you get my drift.
Just don't abuse the damn things.

What are you talking about. I take Lorezipam for muscles spasms only when I need it, for a max of 2 or 3 days in a row and then not again for months at a time.
There is nothing else I can take and I have had genetic work ups.
Perhaps these people you are talking about at risk have genetic factors involved in how they metabolize the Benzo.

Yeah I only take them when I need them too - usually for extreme muscle spasms inside the chest wall that make me feel like I am having a heart attack but I am not - heart is good - its all the muscles and diaphragm engagement. Rarely I will take one if my stress gets completely and totally tweaked out.

I am a Combat Veteran.

Genetics and metabolism has to be involved and people have no idea about that.
They just scribe. For example I absolutely can not take opioids - my body lacks liver enzymes to metabolize - this was only truly determined with Genesite genetic work ups.

Same thing with those ADD drugs and Antidepressants some people can't even metabolize those meds - but they just write the damn scripts - essentially poisoning certain individuals. I mean fuck me it was the same thing with SSRIs which the VA love to give for any problem. They actually tell you to take more when the side effects kick in!!! OMG - upping doses of something your body can't even break down!!!!

For me it took about 3 days to freak out on a med - so it was not a fast allergy thing - it takes a build up caused by a couple of days - due to the fact my liver was not in fact metabolizing - so - had I not refused the meds on my own they could have easily killed me - especially if I was in a hospitalized situation.

Now I've had the work ups - so many questions answered.
Trying to spread the news - get a Genesite panel pulled if your docs want you on meds ~

Benzos are similar to alcohol. They used to call xanax the beer pill. They destroy your brain chemistry that has to do with relaxation/anxiety. Benzos are used to get peoples brains from not seizing who are going through alcohol withdrawal. If you are abusing or just taking benzos as your doctor prescribed, there is no other drug to make things better when you want to stop. It could take years of tapering off if you are on a high dose and those years will be miserable - not death but you might wish you were dead. Jumping off the benzo train cold turkey will make you a cold slab of meat.

In closing...stay the f away from benzos - much easier and less painful ways to die.

This has got to have something to do with your genetics.

Opiods kill you if you take too much. Benzos kill you if you take too little - a disturbing difference.

Ive heard people say they can make you steel stuff from stores?

Suzanne Brown killing: Attack 'could have been prevented'


The mother of a schizophrenic man who stabbed his partner 173 times has said her death could have been "prevented".

Jake Neate, 37, attacked Suzanne Brown, 34, on 15 December 2017 at their flat in Braintree, Essex.

Jan Neate said her son and Ms Brown were "let down" by mental health services.

He had been on the anti-psychotic drug clozapine for more than 10 years until October 2017 when a test showed it had dangerously suppressed his immune system.

Mrs Neate, 62, said they had not been warned about the risks of coming straight off the medication and he should have been sectioned.

She said: "He really went downhill. I don't know how ill they wanted him to be before they helped."

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so basically avoid the following:


alprazolam (Xanax)
chlordiazepoxide (Librium)
clonazepam (Klonopin)
clorazepate (Tranxene)
diazepam (Valium)
estazolam (Prosom)
flurazepam (Dalmane)
lorazepam (Ativan)
midazolam (Versed)
oxazepam (Serax)
temazepam (Restoril)
triazolam (Halcion)
quazepam (Doral)


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What about SSRIs?

Cannabis and alcohol are for amateurs. You don't really have to know anything about biochemistry, metabolism, receptors or dosage.

Opiates are for semi-pros. Heroin, codeine/morphine, and the synthetic derivatives. You do need to know something about how dosing, tolerance, and receptors work, and how the drugs function in your body in order to keep them under control and use them recreationally. Even then it's risky. I knew them inside out, but ignored what I knew, and had to kick an opiate addiction. Hint: Loperamide, an opiate prescribed for diarrhea. It does not bond strongly with the opiate "buzz" receptors (i.e. no high and it's prescription free), but if you take it in large enough doses, it will alleviate the physical and psychological withdrawal symptoms.

Crack, benzos, amphetamine,... are strictly for pros and the crazy. If you are a pro, you won't use them recreationally. Strong physical and psychological dependency, potentially lethal withdrawal symptoms, and you need drugs and a babysitter to see you through detox. Preferably someone who can knock you silly, tie you down and administer a saline IV if necessary.

Edit: It's just not about biochemistry, either. You need to know your personality. I'm an addictive personality, and get very easily hooked on downers. I don't like uppers at all. I've sampled cocaine and amphetamine, and found the experience jarring and not enjoyable at all.

On the other hand, codeine hit me like a ton of bricks when I tried it for the first time. I just laid on the couch in borderline sleep enjoying the warmth and not-a-worry-in-the-world feeling, and knew that opiates were the chemical equivalent of the love of my life. Later, when upping the dose and eventually going on morphine (your liver can convert only so much codeine into morphine), I knew I was overstepping my limits but I chose to ignore it. My brain is wired for opiates. Maybe it's missing some chemical thus making me very easily addicted to opiates. For some people it's the uppers to which I seem immune.

Last Edited by Tainted Meat on 01/28/2019 03:37 AM

Truth..been of the alprazolams for months now still my sleep is fucked up.

I ve heared stories of people still feeling fucked up for almost a year after quitting that shit.

Better smoke some weed and a couple of beers..cheers

Although potent, .5 mg of Klonopin is a respectively low dosage that can be tapered in a relatively short amount of time without too much discomfort.

When I think about serious Benzo usage, I'm thinking about 4 mg per day and above. 6-10 mg per day, and you're a dead man walking as soon as you try to quit cold turkey. Most of the naysayers in this thread have been on such small dosages, that they have no concept of what it's like to be on a perpetually large dosage.

Many EX-Combat Veterans are given as much as 6mg to 10 mg per day of Klonopin. This drug is very interesting too, because unlike Xanax, it doesn't hit you with that same BANG (At first), it builds up in your body, and then hits a plateau that lasts for a very long time, and makes a Xanax high look like a walk in the park. The BANG comes once it has built up.

There's been long ongoing debates about which is the more powerful Benzodiazepine: Xanax, or Klonopin, and when you really do the research, it's Klonopin hands down.

Many Ex-Xanax addict end up opting for Klonopin, since the effects from even a small dosage last 8-12 hours, compared to Xanax which barely lasts one hour.

The weed will do nothing for you, since it interacts with a completely different receptor set in the brain. Only the alcohol will slightly dimish the Withdrawal symptoms of the Xanax. However, you're still not going to get to sleep, and your appetite is still going to be gone, and eventually, you'll likely need to get medical attention.

All you're doing right now is buying time.

Another important thing to note is that when it comes to Potency, very potent Benzos are at the level of Hard Liquor on the GABA receptor, not beer, meaning the beer will do little for you, unless you drink about 70 of them in a matter of a few days.

Good luck to you.

Notice you have one group of big pharma shills that say

"Hey, take as much as you want, there's no possible detrimental repercussions that might occur."

And then another group who have actually taken the nonsense, who are almost unanimously stating

"Hey, this guy is right, I was on this shit for a month, and I've never been the same since"

Insomnia is the first sign that the physical dependence has taken over your physiological functions, and don't EVER expect to get to sleep again without some extremely powerful secondary agent, like the anti-psychotic Olanzapine, which will knock you out for 12 hours straight.

I don't suggest Olanzapine, or any Anti-Psychotic though, and specifically not that one, as it will make you gain 200 hundred pounds in 6 months, with no way to lose the weight again.

You do know this is also used for seizure correct. I do not take it unless I really have to. I never had any problem taking it. Klonopin never take medicines unless you just have too. I only use it when I have seizures not the best for it, I just very sensitive to really bad side effect strangely this never bothered me, I took a low dose and Never more than one a day when having a lot of seizures, now I rather just take it to come out of one. Never had trouble stopping. At least I do not die and have to be revive from the other meds, or have hallucinations from some of the others horrible side effects. If I am not allergic which mostly I am allergic too. This is find, hope they stay few and far between.


Funny I never had this type of reaction with stopping them, of course the sleepiness would not have been noticed, brain damage to that part of my brain, from brain tumor.

I guess it could be bad from someone taking it often.

Everyone has regrets in their life, and sooner or later, all individuals who ended up taking high dosages of potent Benzodiazepines like Xanax and Klonopin, will end up regretting the day they ever even touched the stuff.

As I said earlier, contrary to popular belief, Klonopin is MUCH stronger, and likely harder to get off of too. Its mechanism of Euphoria and Sedation is different too, it does a workup first, which requires taking substantial amounts over a period of time, and then all of a sudden, you're on a high that a Xanax user can't even fathom.

Also, trying to switch between Benzos to taper is a bad idea. Those on Xanax who run out and then have a buddy willing to give them some Klonopin are still in big trouble, because your 'buddy' isn't going to give you enough for it to replace the effects you're used to.

Big Pharmacy drugs are worthless.

The drugs I was taking caused me high cholesterol, high triglycerides, and even problems with my pancreas.

My diet wasn't all that great anyway, but the medications made it worse.

20 .5 mg pills for a month is almost nothing. A serious user will go through that in two days.

Think about it this way, someone who is on 4 mg per day, would deplete your entire supply in two fucking days. It takes 8 pills of your dosage to even equate to 4 mg. 8+8=16 pills, it would take 24 of those pills to even last a serious user 3 days.

You have a chance to save yourself, and do it while you can. Don't increase your dosage for any reason at all, and if you do, don't go over 1 mg tops.

Most of these so called 'medications' exacerbate the problem instead of curing it.

I wonder what other drug does that.