US "Gets Its Ass Handed to It" in WWIII simulation: Rand

The Taliban have been doing it for 18 years. Less than 2000 guerillas, cave men who still plow their fields with Ox teams.

You can't even beat them.

That is the politicians fault. Come fuck with us and see what's up!

Trust me... if the US wanted to destroy the Taliban they would but there is more profit in a long drawn out conflict and as you said, that is the politician's fault, not the fault of the US military. The military is just being a pawn in a rich man's game.

The US military could easily cleanse the Taliban if ordered too.

There is a stretegy that would annihilate the USA which NO-ONE ever considers and that is SITZKRIEG.

After a declaration of war, the Chinese send all their military, dock workers and merchant navy home to sit and watch reruns of "Friends" for 8 weeks.

The US economy is so dependent on other nations, within 8 weeks, all the fuel would have stopped, electricity would be out and all the food would have gone from the shelves in the USA with most of the US rioting and dying of starvation... simply by the Chinese actively doing NOTHING.

For years red/blue armor war games held in the Yakima training ground and other locations have openly cheated to give the us "blue" a victory. this has been going on for at least 3 decades. I know first hand from two such exercises
held in the 90's When ever the us would go up against the Russians"red" we freaking amazed to just squeak by with 45%
losses against 60% losses for the reds. in historical context
35% losses means combat ineffective"curb stomped" the Russians all ways win in a land warfare setting cause once you run down there air force then you have to occupy there land mass..which means you lose 14 fucking time zones,and a 900 year old no bullshit culture." remember upwards of 30 million dead in the second world war"

the most recent fiasco i could find was called
Millennium Challenge 2002
and yes my commanding officer would not allow a white only
opponent cause it was unfair....her is the wiki on Millennium Challenge 2002
Millennium Challenge 2002 (MC02) was a major war game exercise conducted by the United States Armed Forces in mid-2002. The exercise, which ran from July 24 to August 15 and cost $250 million, involved both live exercises and computer simulations. MC02 was meant to be a test of future military "transformation"—a transition toward new technologies that enable network-centric warfare and provide more effective command and control of current and future weaponry and tactics. The simulated combatants were the United States, referred to as "Blue", and an unknown adversary in the Middle East, "Red", with many lines of evidence pointing at Iran being the Red side. Red, commanded by retired Marine Corps Lieutenant General Paul K. Van Riper, adopted an asymmetric strategy, in particular, using old methods to evade Blue's sophisticated electronic surveillance network. Van Riper used motorcycle messengers to transmit orders to front-line troops and World-War-II-style light signals to launch airplanes without radio communications.

Red received an ultimatum from Blue, essentially a surrender document, demanding a response within 24 hours. Thus warned of Blue's approach, Red used a fleet of small boats to determine the position of Blue's fleet by the second day of the exercise. In a preemptive strike, Red launched a massive salvo of cruise missiles that overwhelmed the Blue forces' electronic sensors and destroyed sixteen warships. This included one aircraft carrier, ten cruisers and five of six amphibious ships. An equivalent success in a real conflict would have resulted in the deaths of over 20,000 service personnel. Soon after the cruise missile offensive, another significant portion of Blue's navy was "sunk" by an armada of small Red boats, which carried out both conventional and suicide attacks that capitalized on Blue's inability to detect them as well as expected.

At this point, the exercise was suspended, Blue's ships were "re-floated", and the rules of engagement were changed; this was later justified by General Peter Pace as follows: "You kill me in the first day and I sit there for the next 13 days doing nothing, or you put me back to life and you get 13 more days' worth of experiment out of me. Which is a better way to do it?"[1] After the reset, both sides were ordered to follow predetermined plans of action.

After the war game was restarted, its participants were forced to follow a script drafted to ensure a Blue Force victory. Among other rules imposed by this script, Red Force was ordered to turn on their anti-aircraft radar in order for them to be destroyed, and was not allowed to shoot down any of the aircraft bringing Blue Force troops ashore.[2] Van Riper also claimed that exercise officials denied him the opportunity to use his own tactics and ideas against Blue Force, and that they also ordered Red Force not to use certain weapons systems against Blue Force and even ordered the location of Red Force units to be revealed.[3]

This led to accusations that the war game had turned from an honest, open, free playtest of U.S. war-fighting capabilities into a rigidly controlled and scripted exercise intended to end in an overwhelming U.S. victory,[2] alleging that "$250 million was wasted"
Aftermath

Van Riper was extremely critical of the scripted nature of the new exercise and resigned from the exercise in the middle of the war game.[5] Van Riper later said that the Vice Admiral Marty Mayer altered the exercise's purpose to reinforce existing doctrine and notions of infallibility within the U.S. military rather than serving as a learning experience.

Van Riper also stated that the war game was rigged so that it appeared to validate the modern, joint-service war-fighting concepts it was supposed to be testing.[3] He was quoted in the ZDF–New York Times documentary The Perfect War (2004)[6] as saying that what he saw in MC02 echoed the same view promoted by the Department of Defense under Robert McNamara before and during the Vietnam War, namely that the U.S. military could not and would not be defeated.

Responding to Van Riper's criticism, Vice Admiral Mayer, who ran the war game and who was charged with developing the military's joint concepts and requirements, stated the following:[3]
“ Gen. Van Riper apparently feels he was too constrained. I can only say there were certain parts where he was not constrained, and then there were parts where he was in order to facilitate the conduct of the experiment and certain exercise pieces that were being done. ”
— Vice Admiral Marty Mayer

Navy Captain John Carman, Joint Forces Command spokesman, said the war game had properly validated all the major concepts which were tested by Blue Force, ignoring the restrictions placed on Van Riper's Red Force that led them to succeed. Based on these findings, Carman stated that recommendations based on the war game's result on areas such as doctrine, training and procurement would be forwarded to General Richard Myers, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

this is no joke people find anybody that did one of these games from the 80's on and they will set you stright.
19kilo out

Different us, different people. Think everyone would go join the military today if we were attacked? I think a bunch would applaud it...

its us Aussies who will whip your asses sport...don't worry about the others

Historically, our tech has developed faster
We develop tech that they rip off years later
Seems hard to believe that a nation of 1.3 billion people would be capable of innovation but for some reason they really aren't so far
Probably has a lot to do with their economic system
Sure seems like they really need us because they just steal most of the tech

Are you retarded? The US is sitting on the largest reserves and produces all the food locally we would need.

The only way that scenario would work out is if we were bombarded with nukes, a land invasion would be impossible to say the least. Most American's are gun owning combat vets, the very reason Pelosi is stuttering like a retard every time the illegal immigration issue comes up, she will then snap back to gun confiscation.

The only way that scenario would work out is if we were bombarded with nukes, a land invasion would be impossible to say the least. Most American's are gun owning combat vets, the very reason Pelosi is stuttering like a retard every time the illegal immigration issue comes up, she will then snap back to gun confiscation.

what if china clones putin?

If you think we don't have hypersonic weapons, you're mad.


Like stealth before the First Gulf War, though, that stuff is under wraps.



Wait for it.


I'm quite sure the Russkies and Chinks are aware of our capabilities though in that area.

There is a stretegy that would annihilate the USA which NO-ONE ever considers and that is SITZKRIEG.

After a declaration of war, the Chinese send all their military, dock workers and merchant navy home to sit and watch reruns of "Friends" for 8 weeks.

The US economy is so dependent on other nations, within 8 weeks, all the fuel would have stopped, electricity would be out and all the food would have gone from the shelves in the USA with most of the US rioting and dying of starvation... simply by the Chinese actively doing NOTHING.

There is a stretegy that would annihilate the USA which NO-ONE ever considers and that is SITZKRIEG.

After a declaration of war, the Chinese send all their military, dock workers and merchant navy home to sit and watch reruns of "Friends" for 8 weeks.

The US economy is so dependent on other nations, within 8 weeks, all the fuel would have stopped, electricity would be out and all the food would have gone from the shelves in the USA with most of the US rioting and dying of starvation... simply by the Chinese actively doing NOTHING.

The Chinese surfaced a sub right in the middle of a US carrier battle group 12 years ago. Let that sink in.

The Russians are way ahead of the Chinese.