Pre-Tribulation Church Rapture 101

The disconnect is in either your stupidity or your lack of understanding, I'm not sure which. Words have specific meanings and to call a tare is bound for hell being raptured is just making things up as you go along.

Fine then you tell me what chapter and verse says that Lot and his family where merely warned...if you can.

The Mastermind behind the Dispensationalist heresy was Spanish Inquisitor and Jesuit Manuel LaCunza (July 19, 1731 – c. June 18, 1801) who wrote a book under the Jewish pen name Juan Josafat Ben-Ezra called The Coming of the Messiah in Majesty and Glory.

This is demonstrably and historically the first systematic eschatology of proto-Dispensationalism in the whole of nearly 2000 years of Christianity. It was a counter-reformation Jesuit divide and conquer scheme sewn into the Protestant mind to misdirect it away from Rome.

And, for the most part, it's worked like a charm. Jesuits employed one of their greatest weapons - human ignorance and carnal sensationalism.

This works mostly in silly, unlearned, flakey women and superstitious chaff flakes of men who follow the voices of any trendy shepherds of the moment except the Voice of the one Good Shepherd.

This passage follows the Matthew 24 passage on the harpazo. Why? What is the significance? Jesus is clearly telling people to prepare so they ready whenhe returns. It's practical aedvice. Some people prepare and some do not and run out oil for their lamps.

Do you know anything about prepping? The hardest thing to prepare for is light. It is extremely difficult to make a usable light that will work either inside or outside.

Try it. It takes ingenuity and planning tocreate lasting fuel for light.

Why? In a survival situation, fat has twice the calories than carbs and protein. Thus our ancestors used fat as concentrated energy for nutrition. Every survivors tries their best to get fat from plants and animals to consume.

When you have an excess of fat, survival is assured. Not only that but in order to make soap and get clean, you need fat as that is the primary component as well as wood ash which you have in abudance.It's a big problem to gain/get that fat because you have to render it and most animals are lean and few plants are fat bearing like seeds. Other fat exists but not in large amounts.

Biblically this was sesame as it could be pressed and then produced an oil that could be burned inside. Most is too smokey and only useful outside and/or burns FAST. Not sesame.

Our ancestors in America didn't burn oil as that was difficult to create and burned candles and tapers call "rushes" and had to constantly replace their "rushlights".

Candles burn unevenly and use "followers" to control the burn rate and make the light lasting.

However, it was extremely difficult to have enough fat left over to render and then scrimp and save for us for candle making as the food was needed, the lard was needed, the oils were needed, then the soap was needed. The ony people who had that much fat raised a herd and then once a year when they matured would have a large activty where the herd was harvested with many multiple activities to get the fat/oil/lard to do this.

It is the hardest thing to prep of all.

There are pre-tribulation rapture folks and pastors telling their fellow believers NOT TO PREP!!!

That is heresy. There are pastors mocking prepping as unnecessary as there are grocery stores!

That is heresy! Grocery stores are very late inventions that were intended for rich people. All our ancestors prepped by raising food and preserving it and so had larders/pantries.

All these pastors and misguided believers are saying, "there is no need to prepare for the believers are taken before the harpazo. Thus Jesus will save you from the Tribulation!

That is NOT BIBLICAL. That is actually making the foolish virgins look like the correct ones. It is a heresy as the wise virgins prepared.

There are no verses that discuss a harpazo before the tribulation. Not a single verse!

You folks are creating a false expectation of zero suffering when Jesus says we will be:
1. Beaten
2. Tried
3. Brought before synagogues
3. Brought before councils
4. Brought before kings
5. Betrayed by family
6. Killed
It even says that this suffering will be worse than any tribulation ever seen.

We know that those who refuse the mark of the beast can't buy or sell meaning they cannot just go to grocery stores.

There isn't a single verse supporting a "secret rapture". Not one.

Revelation twice discusses martyrs who are Christians who die for believing in Jesus, for believing in the word, and that happens in the 5th seal.

Later these are described as beheaded martyrs who suffered for their faith.

If the pre-tribulation rapture is true, why did they get beheaded and why did it happen because the 7th seal is WRATH poured out just after the harpazo.

There can be no beheading if the pre-trib rapture is true.

That alone disproves the pre-trib rapture theory.

It actually is confusing people as rapture is not in the Bible. It says harpazo in the Greek.

Don't mention that the vision of the Revelation and and Unveiling of the Parousia of Jesus Christ contradicts Dispensationalism at every last point. You'll get the rapturists upset and they'll start calling you Nicolae.

If you were a prepper and wanted to buy fuel, you have severe limits as propane cannot be harvest only bought. Kerosene cannot be harvest only bought. Lamp oil is mined and cannt be harvested and must be bought.

You can grow canola and use a seed press and get a usable oil. That is the best way but the excess is typicallynrefused as fodder by most animals.

Sesame cannot be grow by most.

Sunflower seeds produce a useable oil but would take a lot of room.

Corn can produce an oil but few will bother but eat the corn instead.

Soybeans make a useful oil, but few will bother and eat the soybeans.

Lard is extremely useful for baking (pearl lard from the kidneys) and the other lard used for frying. That is too dear to waste.

Our ancestors had difficulty making lamp oil.

Kerosene access changed everything but you have to buy it and so find trade items to do so.

The Native American method was to take grease and soak a cattail spent pollenhead and that can be burned inside as a torch...presuming excess grease...which is rare.

A fatwood slug from certain pine roots can be made into a torch but is smokey and illsuited for inside use.

Birch oil can be rendered when you make charcoal and produces a little oil that can be burned for light but is smokey.

It was a big deal when flashlights were invented but these cannot be easily made as one can make a battery but needs metals to get electron flow. The lamps are manufactured with special gases inside so you cannot make a light bulb.

LED lighting by solar power is the EASIEST CHEAPEST indoor light but you cannot make a solar cell easily nor make the LED at all. I recommend people get these as that is safe indoor light versus the very real danger of a house fire. A fire when the SHTF with no water pressure will burn down the house, spread and burn down the whole neighborhood or entire farm!

Just how in the world will YOU make light when the SHTF???

I spent years and years researching this subject looking at every adaptation used by our ancestors. There is no easy way. All take work and trade and ingenuity.

Burning rushlights were a pain in the butt and not recommended whatsoever.

There is zero indication that this oil is a metaphor. NONE.

You can buy lamp oil but that is using parafin oil. It works well but you cannot make it, only buy it.


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I just wish I was as cool Bill Weasely. I mean, he actually did get raptured with Fleur Delacour from Beauxbaton's Academy of Magic in 1995. How wack is that? Who would have thought?

Bill.

The only other way is a carbide lamp. That carbide produces a gas and that is ignited and burns in a lamp. That was used by miners and works for outside use only. You cannot harvest carbide. You have to buy it.

Just tell me you know a way. I would really like to know. The first that happens when the SHTF is the power goes out. I mean I can rig up a generator even burn wood-gas, but that takes fuel and wood-gas is the only long term solution and forests take time to grow.

One could make an alcohol for a lamp but that takes time AND distillation to create.

What options are available???

The original process for kerosene was learned by those in the middle east as when you heat up certain rocks they sweat kerosene and that can be collected and burned for light. The average person cannot do that as you need a reactor vessel.

The silence is deafening. Where is the easy light to use without electricity? Most chemical processes like creating hydrogen are dangerous so gas generation would be implausible.

So the way to save them is to keep lying to them.

You are such a satanic peice f shit you cross dressing pedo fuck.

This is the tried and true Native American method BUT only if you have excess fuel as grease or oil and that is a remote possibility as what will that be? You woukd eat that fat or make soap in a survival situation.

It is a great torch producing useful illumination.

When I was a kid so very long ago, this was a practical torch when the pollenhead was dry from cattail plants. The cattail is a major friend to preppers as a wild edible stalk, useful for cordage, edible root, edible pollen to stretch flour, etc.

Every time you Pre-Tribulation folks seak Dispensationalist dogma, which is not in the Bible whatsoever, you make people stumble as you give them a false unbiblical hope that they will not sufferbor even be beheaded for believing in Jesus Christ. That is a terrible heresy.

But worse, people will starve because of your heresy. That is an abomination. Have you no shame?

A major component of my life in ministry out of obedience to Jesus Christ has been teaching ancestral skills. That meant understanding the Bible and then practical ways to harvest a variety of things to do work.

By all means educate me how to make light as it's the hardest thing possible greatly more difficult than ranged weapons.

The Rapture is for those who are right with the Lord now...before the Great Tribulation. The Tribulation Saints that you are referring to are people who for whatever reason where not right with the Lord at the time of the Rapture. But who later on turn to the Lord and are saved. This is a serious matter, remember that there are no guarantees that you will even get a chance to be a Tribulation Saint, an obvious example being a nuclear bomb wiping out the city that you live in.

Which is yet another reason that you should get right with the Lord now, and stop wasting what little time that you have left.

The word dispensation is written several times in the Bible.

You probably use a corrupt version.

I believe the person you are responding to is a shill.

He couldn't admit that his alleged temple which was destroyed in the Galilean earthquake, was never completed. And therefore not a temple.

Z, I made a brief intro to eschatology video so that hopefully we can slow down this study and refocus to check and double check our beliefs concerning the parousia of Christ.

This isn't a lesson, it's more of a quick pep talk to get us in the right state of mind to even approach this study. I do pray that we will be led into all truth.

20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

22And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it. 23And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them. 24For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. 25But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation. 26And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. 31In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. 32Remember Lot's wife. 33Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. 34I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. 35Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 36Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 37And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

The "eagles" in biblical lands are actually black eagles, the carrion feeders because they don't have vultures there.

Jesus is saying here that those who are taken go to die, they go to where the vultures are. These aee the wicked who are taken first, not the saved, just as Jesus had previously stated in the parable of the wheat and the tares.

Its plain as day.
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Here's what the KJV says...

Genesis 19

15 And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city.

16 And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the LORD being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city.

17 And it came to pass, when they had brought them forth abroad, that he said, Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed.

4 times - and not used in the context of Dispensationalism.

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I can't wait. Prove it using a King James Bible not your heretical Darby Bible.Do a full exegesis too.

You are CLUELESS. It was the 3rd Temple BUT was not consecrated.

There isn't a single verse supporting that Dispensationalist heresy dogma.

Not one. That is manmade nonsense. There is one and only harpazo.

What pre-tribber then do is go through contortions with the parable of the wise and foolish virgins and say, "that oil is a metaphor. It means faith or passion."

Baloney. Read. The wise virgins tell them to go buy oil! You can't buy faith or passion!

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Why does Jesus return to the Jewish people?