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Can any of the anti-catholic shills here prove that they even understand Catholic theology?

 
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Why don't you ask 1 of these 10,000 "Priests" ?

Maybe they and the countless thousands more who have never been held accountable, understand it.

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I have a degree in theology. They aren't held accountable because whenever whistle blowers like me try to expose them, people like you call us crazy.

I did my part:

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The Treatise of Constantinople

The Holy Bible calls our God El Shaddai, and El Shaddai means means the God of the Mountain.

For our God was atop Mount Moriah and Mount Sinai and Mount Carmel and Mount Calvary and Yes our God is atop the Holy Mountain, which is the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, which is the Inn where the Good Samaritan brought the man beaten by robbers, which is tasked with gathering all those men of goodwill into the Glorified Body of Christ. This is the view from Earth.

Truly those that go to Heaven after their personal judgement are more alive than ever for the soul is immortal and cannot die, and in fact those souls have Jesus Christ living as King of their soul, for through the miracle of the Holy Spirit simple bread and wine is turned into the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ, and that Bread of Life is literally inside them, and if they went to Heaven, that Good Shepherd encompasses the soul completely and entirely, so praying to a Saint in Heaven is in a practical sense no different than praying to Jesus Christ himself, as he has enveloped their soul entirely and they truly and literally have that Morning Star as King of their soul, and Jesus even said in the Gospel of John that people would come after him that would do greater miracles than he did.

Every Eucharist that has been tested by science and the shroud of Turin all come back as AB blood, and the unique thing about AB blood is it is a universal recipient, the only blood type that is, and when prominent scientists from New York based Columbia University tested the Eucharist it came back as blood from an alive heart under duress. Why did the disciples stop following in John Chapter 6? And why did Jesus say to Paul "why do you persecute me"? Because mystically speaking that Man of Sorrows, that Son of the Mystical City, that Fisher of Men is on the cross, or in prison, or in a dark garden until the end of time by being present throughout time in a moment. Jesus confirmed this by saying why do persecute ME, because he is alive in the Eucharist, and many Catholics and Orthodox literally have that Nazarene, that Son of the Carpenter, that Light of the World in their soul. This is a mystery of the Faith and many disciples stopped following in John Chapter 6 because of this.

Therefore, and this is why, the Catholic Church is properly called the same thing and equal to the Mystical Body of Christ. And all the prayers ascend through the Mystical Body of Christ, and all the miracles descend through the Mystical Body of Christ.
The Mystical Body of Christ has 4 parts, the Soul (Holy Ghost), the invisible Mind (Jesus Christ), the visible Head (Bishop of Rome) and the Body. And all those believers in the Eucharist (Jesus), who have visibly entered (and stayed) through Baptism within a Church that has been determined to have a valid Eucharist by the Governing Body (that is in union with the Bishop of Rome), are members of the Body of the Mystical Body of Christ, and that Body is tasked with, but not limited to, serving the poor, healing the sick, protecting the Catholic Faith on Earth and gathering all those men of goodwill into the Glorified Body of Christ outside which there will be no salvation. This is the view from Heaven.
To enter into the Glorified Body of Christ upon death:
-one does have Jesus Christ literally reign King of their soul (the most explicit way Jesus Christ can enter your soul is through the Eucharist and the most essential way Jesus Christ can enter your soul is through Baptism by Water)
-one does not live in contradiction to the Jesus Christ (which includes being in a state of grace)

Jesus Christ, the hypostatic union, who is full of power, as the Rightful King and High Priest has authority and jurisdiction outside time, and inside time, and everywhere in between, and therefore can administer his Body and Blood, or Baptism, with no restrictions or limitations, so potentially one could become a member of the Mystical Body of Christ during the moment before the soul leaves the body, but that would be outside the authority and jurisdiction of the Governing Body of the Mystical Body of Christ which is put in place on Earth to protect the Catholic Faith.

The Good Thief made an Act of Faith, acknowledging that Jesus had a Kingdom, acknowledging that Jesus was the King of that Kingdom (by use of the word 'your'), he then was baptized by that High Priest from the water that came from the puncture under the rib of Jesus, all with a repentant heart. The Bad Thief wanted scientific observable proof (save yourself), and wanted healing (and save us), all without a repentant heart. The Good Thief was saved and the Bad Thief perished, which brings to light the answer to the so many unanswered questions about the designs of God, which could be to optimize the quality of the saved.

For all truth will have to be accepted before entering Heaven and the soul must still have Jesus Christ, who is The Way and The Life as King of their soul after all truth is revealed, and by the use of the wording "every human creature" in Unam Sanctam, this is self evident, we are subject to all Truth, regardless if it is explicit or not, because by the time you arrive at your personal judgement, all truth will be explicit, so we humbly pray, that Jesus Christ, the Cornerstone, the True Vine and the Seeker of Souls may be King of our Soul, and we sin no more, and that we accept all explicit truth, and accept all truth that will become explicit, and that the Father may draw us, through uncreated grace, to keep climbing the Holy Mountain of God.

Constantinople already fell
Rome could fall June 13, 2029
An asteroid could warn of this exactly 2 months prior
and then Russia shall be diverted to a Holy Mission
And the French King shall ride once again, but this time with the banner of Christ the King

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The Treatise of Constantinople

The Holy Bible calls our God El Shaddai, and El Shaddai means means the God of the Mountain.

For our God was atop Mount Moriah and Mount Sinai and Mount Carmel and Mount Calvary and Yes our God is atop the Holy Mountain, which is the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, which is the Inn where the Good Samaritan brought the man beaten by robbers, which is tasked with gathering all those men of goodwill into the Glorified Body of Christ. This is the view from Earth.

Truly those that go to Heaven after their personal judgement are more alive than ever for the soul is immortal and cannot die, and in fact those souls have Jesus Christ living as King of their soul, for through the miracle of the Holy Spirit simple bread and wine is turned into the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ, and that Bread of Life is literally inside them, and if they went to Heaven, that Good Shepherd encompasses the soul completely and entirely, so praying to a Saint in Heaven is in a practical sense no different than praying to Jesus Christ himself, as he has enveloped their soul entirely and they truly and literally have that Morning Star as King of their soul, and Jesus even said in the Gospel of John that people would come after him that would do greater miracles than he did.

Every Eucharist that has been tested by science and the shroud of Turin all come back as AB blood, and the unique thing about AB blood is it is a universal recipient, the only blood type that is, and when prominent scientists from New York based Columbia University tested the Eucharist it came back as blood from an alive heart under duress. Why did the disciples stop following in John Chapter 6? And why did Jesus say to Paul "why do you persecute me"? Because mystically speaking that Man of Sorrows, that Son of the Mystical City, that Fisher of Men is on the cross, or in prison, or in a dark garden until the end of time by being present throughout time in a moment. Jesus confirmed this by saying why do persecute ME, because he is alive in the Eucharist, and many Catholics and Orthodox literally have that Nazarene, that Son of the Carpenter, that Light of the World in their soul. This is a mystery of the Faith and many disciples stopped following in John Chapter 6 because of this.

Therefore, and this is why, the Catholic Church is properly called the same thing and equal to the Mystical Body of Christ. And all the prayers ascend through the Mystical Body of Christ, and all the miracles descend through the Mystical Body of Christ.
The Mystical Body of Christ has 4 parts, the Soul (Holy Ghost), the invisible Mind (Jesus Christ), the visible Head (Bishop of Rome) and the Body. And all those believers in the Eucharist (Jesus), who have visibly entered (and stayed) through Baptism within a Church that has been determined to have a valid Eucharist by the Governing Body (that is in union with the Bishop of Rome), are members of the Body of the Mystical Body of Christ, and that Body is tasked with, but not limited to, serving the poor, healing the sick, protecting the Catholic Faith on Earth and gathering all those men of goodwill into the Glorified Body of Christ outside which there will be no salvation. This is the view from Heaven.
To enter into the Glorified Body of Christ upon death:
-one does have Jesus Christ literally reign King of their soul (the most explicit way Jesus Christ can enter your soul is through the Eucharist and the most essential way Jesus Christ can enter your soul is through Baptism by Water)
-one does not live in contradiction to the Jesus Christ (which includes being in a state of grace)

Jesus Christ, the hypostatic union, who is full of power, as the Rightful King and High Priest has authority and jurisdiction outside time, and inside time, and everywhere in between, and therefore can administer his Body and Blood, or Baptism, with no restrictions or limitations, so potentially one could become a member of the Mystical Body of Christ during the moment before the soul leaves the body, but that would be outside the authority and jurisdiction of the Governing Body of the Mystical Body of Christ which is put in place on Earth to protect the Catholic Faith.

The Good Thief made an Act of Faith, acknowledging that Jesus had a Kingdom, acknowledging that Jesus was the King of that Kingdom (by use of the word 'your'), he then was baptized by that High Priest from the water that came from the puncture under the rib of Jesus, all with a repentant heart. The Bad Thief wanted scientific observable proof (save yourself), and wanted healing (and save us), all without a repentant heart. The Good Thief was saved and the Bad Thief perished, which brings to light the answer to the so many unanswered questions about the designs of God, which could be to optimize the quality of the saved.

For all truth will have to be accepted before entering Heaven and the soul must still have Jesus Christ, who is The Way and The Life as King of their soul after all truth is revealed, and by the use of the wording "every human creature" in Unam Sanctam, this is self evident, we are subject to all Truth, regardless if it is explicit or not, because by the time you arrive at your personal judgement, all truth will be explicit, so we humbly pray, that Jesus Christ, the Cornerstone, the True Vine and the Seeker of Souls may be King of our Soul, and we sin no more, and that we accept all explicit truth, and accept all truth that will become explicit, and that the Father may draw us, through uncreated grace, to keep climbing the Holy Mountain of God.

Constantinople already fell
Rome could fall June 13, 2029
An asteroid could warn of this exactly 2 months prior
and then Russia shall be diverted to a Holy Mission
And the French King shall ride once again, but this time with the banner of Christ the King

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clappa
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were getting the gang back together
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Why don't you ask 1 of these 10,000 "Priests" ?

Maybe they and the countless thousands more who have never been held accountable, understand it.

[link to bishop-accountability.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79655851


I have a degree in theology. They aren't held accountable because whenever whistle blowers like me try to expose them, people like you call us crazy.

I did my part:

Thread: My story of being a whistleblower and why people get away with corruption
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Where did you obtain your degree from?
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I obtained my Bachelor's from Ave Maria University. I then attended grad school at University of Scranton. I stopped attending and did not complete my master's and ph.d. due to the current b.s. going on in the world. I'll become a farmer before submitting to a covid test
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No, but then I don't understand Hindu or Voodoo theology either.
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I don't give a shit about any religion's theology.

ALL theology is mind control.
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Then why did you comment on a thread that emphasizes theology?
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I see a lot of attacks against the Catholic Church on this forum. Often, it's by extreme nutjobs who have completely bastardized the Christian religion in order to shoehorn it into their idiosyncratic personality rather than adapting their life to Jesus.

The attacks, however, are very immature and usually reflect a profound ignorance of what the Catholic Church teaches. Instead, the views reflect false Protestant strawman objections to things that the Church never taught.

Secondly, people on here seem to be so inured by political mudslinging, that they are now convinced that ad hominem attacks and poisoning the well fallacies somehow determine what is true and what isn't.

So, let's see what ya's got.

BTW: Anyone who deflects from the topic and tries to turn this into a personal pissing contest, I will warn them twice before banning them from the thread. THis thread is about Catholic theology, not about if you can beat me in a debate. If you really want a pissing contest that bad, the only way I will do a debate is one on one with a moderator on live video. Otherwise it just turns into an annoying game of pigeon chess that I don't care to participate in.
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Meanwhile, at the vatican..

https://imgur.com/dFhlaxF


Nuff said...
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You haven't said anything and your picture, at least to me, doesn't have any implications. Not everyone is privy to the prison of your mind. Open the door, come out into the real world and speak the common language.
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How can you put your faith in a church that allows it's priests to get away with pedophilia?

Catholic clergy raping young children is pure evil.
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God is the principle object of faith, not the Church. Thank you for proving that you shills know nothing about what the Church teaches. ALso, where does the Church teach that pedophilia is ok? WHere has an ecumenical council declared it is ok to cover up pedophilia? Spoiler alert: There is none. Strawman fallacy Pedophilia is more rampant among non-catholics than among catholic priests. Look up statistics and come back
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Ya Rome made some mistakes
Power has problems
Which is why Governing will be decided at the lowest possible level but morality will be decided at the highest possible level in the next epoch.

Yes Rome governing totally messed up and few parts but has never wavered in their defense of morality.

But first we reunite the Catholics and Orthodox for a reunion tour, but we will need to turn the world upside down to do it, do you think its worth it? I ask that question sometimes as I will not be reckless like the men of 1776 and 1789.
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Wow. Where to start.

There are many of us who are steeped in Roman Catholic theology. I am college educated in the humanities with graduate level studies. I have a deep interest in spirituality and religions and read on these subjects voraciously. Twelve years of parochial school. President and post Vatican II experiences. Clergy abuse. Child abuse of many forms.

One vivid memory I have is sitting in a classroom with a nun teaching our religion course of the day and talking about how God is love. She was one of the most mean and unloving people I experienced in my daily live as a 10 year old. I have never forgot how her words and actions were so completely opposite. And she was just one example.

Roman Catholic dogma is based on what would allow a powerful clergy and Rome to have power over people. In a phrase, crowd control. It has not worked. Former Roman Catholics woke up and will not have anything more to do with this corrupt organization. Many of us recognize our spiritual needs. The RC church exploits this by trying to tell us that they are God's representatives here on earth. They have so much to answer for when they stand before our Creator. Scary indeed.

I urge you not to be party to this corruption. This is an evil organization that does not represent Christ. Christ will say get away from me, I never knew you to you also.

My question to you is, are you cradle RC, or are you a convert?
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Perhaps if you studied logic instead of the "humanities" you would understand what an ad hominem fallacy and hasty generalization fallacy is....how stupid does this sound:

A nun was mean to me in school, so the Catholic Church teaching is WRONG!!!

SO illogical and stupid I do not know where to begin.
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Ya Rome made some mistakes
Power has problems
Which is why Governing will be decided at the lowest possible level but morality will be decided at the highest possible level in the next epoch.

Yes Rome governing totally messed up and few parts but has never wavered in their defense of morality.

But first we reunite the Catholics and Orthodox for a reunion tour, but we will need to turn the world upside down to do it, do you think its worth it? I ask that question sometimes as I will not be reckless like the men of 1776 and 1789.
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I find Orthodox extremely difficult to talk to because they reject logic.
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Catholic theology equals man made doctrine.

I believe in the Bible.
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Gnostic principles never try to gather all those men of good will into the Glorfied Body of Christ or serve the poor or heal the sick or protect the Catholic Faith. Its disorderly and prideful and will never be able to be defeated till we gather in the Valley of Josaphat probably, but what we can do is reunite the Catholic and Orthodox and let you watch from the sidelines with all of your secret knowledge that isnt secret and is truth mixed with lies.
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Ya Rome made some mistakes
Power has problems
Which is why Governing will be decided at the lowest possible level but morality will be decided at the highest possible level in the next epoch.

Yes Rome governing totally messed up and few parts but has never wavered in their defense of morality.

But first we reunite the Catholics and Orthodox for a reunion tour, but we will need to turn the world upside down to do it, do you think its worth it? I ask that question sometimes as I will not be reckless like the men of 1776 and 1789.
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I find Orthodox extremely difficult to talk to because they reject logic.
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im not giving up on them yet and will not until the Governing Body rules their Eucharist is not Jesus.
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When the OP shows me Limbo and Purgatory in the Bible, then then got a legitimate gripe.
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No, they aren't. In order for that to be true, the principle of non-contradiction must be violated. ANd what is it? A thing can not both be and not be at the same time and in the same respect. So if Paul appears to contradict Jesus on the surface, pay attention to whether they are referring to something under the same aspect (respect).

Jesus also says things that seem to contradict reality and if you don't have a proper biblical interpretation, you become an atheist - I've seen it a million times...(not really, that' hyperbole) Just like when Jesus said the mustard seed is the smallest seed...he wasn't lying or wrong, he was speaking in hyperbole.
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your way of thinking and presenting is difficult to follow for most people. is that why the vatican kept the scriptures frOM the common people for hundreds of years? because the common people are too stupid to think for themselves? Jesus words were simple and easy to understand for the ones who had the insight from the Father to understand.... or ears to hear.

Paul did indeed contradict Jesus many times..... is it any wonder there has been such chaos amongst believers ?
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It's difficult to follow because while you are reading what I wrote, you are trying to figure out ways to contradict me but you can't. I keep every possible objection in mind when I write something as I've had these debates thousands of times.

Show me where you think Paul contradicts Jesus and I'll resolve the apparent contradiction.
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I was raised catholic, became non-demoninational for the next 20 some years... until I realized the truth.

I'm not gonna debate you..... i've debated catholics and protestants ad nauseum. Everyone has their belief system, until they don't. Until they don't ... no one can convince another of anything. I will say my observations have revealed that catholics in particular pride themself on book knowledge, memorized teachings and what they believe to be a "scholarly" presentation that would appear to be beyond refute.

With that, I will continue with my own gnostic-given information since coming out of a religious indoctrinated system..... unless you ban me.
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I can't count the number of people who claimed to know Church teaching b/c they were "brought up catholic." I spent all of my free time in youth studying catholicism and i still didn't really know what it taught until i spent countless hours reading Aquinas. My guess is you don't know Catholic theology, because gnosticism is easy to refute, since it is a greater thing to Love God than to merely know (Gnosticism) Him.
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Catholic theology equals man made doctrine.

I believe in the Bible.
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Truly those that go to Heaven after their personal judgement are more alive than ever for the soul is immortal and cannot die, and in fact those souls have Jesus Christ living as King of their soul, for through the miracle of the Holy Spirit simple bread and wine is turned into the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ, and that Bread of Life is literally inside them, and if they went to Heaven, that Good Shepherd encompasses the soul completely and entirely, so praying to a Saint in Heaven is in a practical sense no different than praying to Jesus Christ himself, as he has enveloped their soul entirely and they truly and literally have that Morning Star as King of their soul, and Jesus even said in the Gospel of John that people would come after him that would do greater miracles than he did.

Every Eucharist that has been tested by science and the shroud of Turin all come back as AB blood, and the unique thing about AB blood is it is a universal recipient, the only blood type that is, and when prominent scientists from New York based Columbia University tested the Eucharist it came back as blood from an alive heart under duress. Why did the disciples stop following in John Chapter 6? And why did Jesus say to Paul "why do you persecute me"? Because mystically speaking that Man of Sorrows, that Son of the Mystical City, that Fisher of Men is on the cross, or in prison, or in a dark garden until the end of time by being present throughout time in a moment. Jesus confirmed this by saying why do persecute ME, because he is alive in the Eucharist, and many Catholics and Orthodox literally have that Nazarene, that Son of the Carpenter, that Light of the World in their soul. This is a mystery of the Faith and many disciples stopped following in John Chapter 6 because of this.
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When the OP shows me Limbo and Purgatory in the Bible, then then got a legitimate gripe.
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Which bible? Protestant bible, Catholic bible, and Orthodox bible all have a different number of books...so might wanna resolve that issue first ;)
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The Catholic Faith takes 1 minute to learn and a life time to learn because the Truth is very simple and infinite.
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The Trap
1. It was revealed that Christ would become man-god and also be King of the Kingdom of Heaven. Fallen one mildly mad.
2. It was revealed that the Virgin of Nazareth would become Queen of the Kingdom of Heaven. Fallen one flies the coup, he was not unconscious, he hates her and there is no going back. And the angels are one degree of separation higher than humanity like humanity is one degree of separation from the animal kingdom, so certainly it went into account that fallen one, an angel could not be ruled by humans.
3. Unless Christ is literally the King of your soul you will suffer the same fate.
4. The Virgin of Nazareth was the trap to weed out the bad angels.
5. It is said there can be no God without the fallen one. This is false.
6. There can be no free will without the first to rebel, who is the fallen one.
7. Free will was put in place, at least in part to optimize the quality of the saved.
8. The Father was intentional when he set the trap, the fallen one is a reactionary revolutionary, if you follow him you may find short term success, but eventually you will be stabbed in the back.
9. The 5th Glorious Mystery of the Most Holy Rosary is the crowning of the Mystical City of God as Queen of Heaven, and since the fallen one hates her and will forever hate her, there is no going back.
10. You must ask the Father to draw you through uncreated grace to keep climbing the Holy Mountain of God and to allow Jesus Christ to become King of your Soul or you will without doubt suffer the same fate as the fallen one.
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When the OP shows me Limbo and Purgatory in the Bible, then then got a legitimate gripe.
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ALso, (lol) show me in the bible where it says that everything must be found in the bible in order for it to be true. BTW. SOLA SCRIPTURA is a MAN MADE doctrine, why do you obey it?
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The Trap
1. It was revealed that Christ would become man-god and also be King of the Kingdom of Heaven. Fallen one mildly mad.
2. It was revealed that the Virgin of Nazareth would become Queen of the Kingdom of Heaven. Fallen one flies the coup, he was not unconscious, he hates her and there is no going back. And the angels are one degree of separation higher than humanity like humanity is one degree of separation from the animal kingdom, so certainly it went into account that fallen one, an angel could not be ruled by humans.
3. Unless Christ is literally the King of your soul you will suffer the same fate.
4. The Virgin of Nazareth was the trap to weed out the bad angels.
5. It is said there can be no God without the fallen one. This is false.
6. There can be no free will without the first to rebel, who is the fallen one.
7. Free will was put in place, at least in part to optimize the quality of the saved.
8. The Father was intentional when he set the trap, the fallen one is a reactionary revolutionary, if you follow him you may find short term success, but eventually you will be stabbed in the back.
9. The 5th Glorious Mystery of the Most Holy Rosary is the crowning of the Mystical City of God as Queen of Heaven, and since the fallen one hates her and will forever hate her, there is no going back.
10. You must ask the Father to draw you through uncreated grace to keep climbing the Holy Mountain of God and to allow Jesus Christ to become King of your Soul or you will without doubt suffer the same fate as the fallen one.
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Very interesting, although I disagree with the part about free will...seems to be Molinism...I'm more of a Thomist...the RCC allows both views of free will, however.
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All purgatory is, is that some people need more preparation after death and before Heaven. Its not that complicated. If you think you are ready right after death to see the all knowing infinite all loving God then dont agree with purgatory, if you think you might need some preparation because of the stain of sin and lack of love then that is purgatory. Its just a simple misunderstood idea.
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The Word of God is everything God has says, written or unwritten and to assume God only writes makes no sense. Limiting God to only being a writer? Why?
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The Trap
1. It was revealed that Christ would become man-god and also be King of the Kingdom of Heaven. Fallen one mildly mad.
2. It was revealed that the Virgin of Nazareth would become Queen of the Kingdom of Heaven. Fallen one flies the coup, he was not unconscious, he hates her and there is no going back. And the angels are one degree of separation higher than humanity like humanity is one degree of separation from the animal kingdom, so certainly it went into account that fallen one, an angel could not be ruled by humans.
3. Unless Christ is literally the King of your soul you will suffer the same fate.
4. The Virgin of Nazareth was the trap to weed out the bad angels.
5. It is said there can be no God without the fallen one. This is false.
6. There can be no free will without the first to rebel, who is the fallen one.
7. Free will was put in place, at least in part to optimize the quality of the saved.
8. The Father was intentional when he set the trap, the fallen one is a reactionary revolutionary, if you follow him you may find short term success, but eventually you will be stabbed in the back.
9. The 5th Glorious Mystery of the Most Holy Rosary is the crowning of the Mystical City of God as Queen of Heaven, and since the fallen one hates her and will forever hate her, there is no going back.
10. You must ask the Father to draw you through uncreated grace to keep climbing the Holy Mountain of God and to allow Jesus Christ to become King of your Soul or you will without doubt suffer the same fate as the fallen one.
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Very interesting, although I disagree with the part about free will...seems to be Molinism...I'm more of a Thomist...the RCC allows both views of free will, however.
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never heard of molinism ill check it out thx, i see a jesuit came up with it and fine myself more and more sympathizing with the jesuits
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When the OP shows me Limbo and Purgatory in the Bible, then then got a legitimate gripe.
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ALso, (lol) show me in the bible where it says that everything must be found in the bible in order for it to be true. BTW. SOLA SCRIPTURA is a MAN MADE doctrine, why do you obey it?
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See? The OP is a heretic who follows dogma.
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your way of thinking and presenting is difficult to follow for most people. is that why the vatican kept the scriptures frOM the common people for hundreds of years? because the common people are too stupid to think for themselves? Jesus words were simple and easy to understand for the ones who had the insight from the Father to understand.... or ears to hear.

Paul did indeed contradict Jesus many times..... is it any wonder there has been such chaos amongst believers ?
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It's difficult to follow because while you are reading what I wrote, you are trying to figure out ways to contradict me but you can't. I keep every possible objection in mind when I write something as I've had these debates thousands of times.

Show me where you think Paul contradicts Jesus and I'll resolve the apparent contradiction.
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I was raised catholic, became non-demoninational for the next 20 some years... until I realized the truth.

I'm not gonna debate you..... i've debated catholics and protestants ad nauseum. Everyone has their belief system, until they don't. Until they don't ... no one can convince another of anything. I will say my observations have revealed that catholics in particular pride themself on book knowledge, memorized teachings and what they believe to be a "scholarly" presentation that would appear to be beyond refute.

With that, I will continue with my own gnostic-given information since coming out of a religious indoctrinated system..... unless you ban me.
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I can't count the number of people who claimed to know Church teaching b/c they were "brought up catholic." I spent all of my free time in youth studying catholicism and i still didn't really know what it taught until i spent countless hours reading Aquinas. My guess is you don't know Catholic theology, because gnosticism is easy to refute, since it is a greater thing to Love God than to merely know (Gnosticism) Him.
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Let's just say it this way....... the Kingdom resides within each of us. Not one of us needs to be taught what to believe, how to believe it, nor how to live it.

I will follow my heart (the Kingdom) before I will ever follow another person's indoctrination.

You'll enjoy your debates with people I suppose, but you won't accomplish anything or "win" anyone to "your side of the fence." actually, you will just create more divison by attempting to do so.

as far as catholicism goes...... people are too aware of the hypocracy of the catholic church, the darkness within it.... being hid from the people, all while it stole the people's lands and money, enriching itself. No one in their right mind wants to embrace that, no matter what the "teachings" of it might be. People want to distance themselves from what is the most corrupt, vile entity that rules this planet.
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When the OP shows me the Biblical authority that saints are designated by the Roman Catholic church and the Bblical authority that they can intercede for us, then the OP has a legitimate gripe.
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The Trap
1. It was revealed that Christ would become man-god and also be King of the Kingdom of Heaven. Fallen one mildly mad.
2. It was revealed that the Virgin of Nazareth would become Queen of the Kingdom of Heaven. Fallen one flies the coup, he was not unconscious, he hates her and there is no going back. And the angels are one degree of separation higher than humanity like humanity is one degree of separation from the animal kingdom, so certainly it went into account that fallen one, an angel could not be ruled by humans.
3. Unless Christ is literally the King of your soul you will suffer the same fate.
4. The Virgin of Nazareth was the trap to weed out the bad angels.
5. It is said there can be no God without the fallen one. This is false.
6. There can be no free will without the first to rebel, who is the fallen one.
7. Free will was put in place, at least in part to optimize the quality of the saved.
8. The Father was intentional when he set the trap, the fallen one is a reactionary revolutionary, if you follow him you may find short term success, but eventually you will be stabbed in the back.
9. The 5th Glorious Mystery of the Most Holy Rosary is the crowning of the Mystical City of God as Queen of Heaven, and since the fallen one hates her and will forever hate her, there is no going back.
10. You must ask the Father to draw you through uncreated grace to keep climbing the Holy Mountain of God and to allow Jesus Christ to become King of your Soul or you will without doubt suffer the same fate as the fallen one.
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Very interesting, although I disagree with the part about free will...seems to be Molinism...I'm more of a Thomist...the RCC allows both views of free will, however.
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never heard of molinism ill check it out thx, i see a jesuit came up with it and fine myself more and more sympathizing with the jesuits
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the jesuits are not only the rulers of the cathoic church, they are the behind the rulers of this planet..... stay away from jesuit theology which has indoctrinated not only catholicsim by all christian theology.
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The Pope in history was just one patriarch and that is all. The Pope seized power that they no autority do so from all the other patriarches.
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When the OP shows me the Biblical authority that saints are designated by the Roman Catholic church and the Bblical authority that they can intercede for us, then the OP has a legitimate gripe.
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first of all there is some debate within Catholic/Orthodox circles about the former. But the latter:

Truly those that go to Heaven after their personal judgement are more alive than ever for the soul is immortal and cannot die, and in fact those souls have Jesus Christ living as King of their soul, for through the miracle of the Holy Spirit simple bread and wine is turned into the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ, and that Bread of Life is literally inside them, and if they went to Heaven, that Good Shepherd encompasses the soul completely and entirely, so praying to a Saint in Heaven is in a practical sense no different than praying to Jesus Christ himself, as he has enveloped their soul entirely and they truly and literally have that Morning Star as King of their soul, and Jesus even said in the Gospel of John that people would come after him that would do greater miracles than he did.





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