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You do good to quote context, however in this case the context does not change the timing of the Rapture.

Again, in verse 3, the order is first a 'falling away' from the Faith (apostasy) THEN the revelation of antichrist MUST happen BEFORE the Rapture occurs.

Paul is quite clear here. There is nothing to debate.

First - a 'Falling away' from the Faith
Second - revelation of antichrist
Third - The Return of Christ (Rapture)

Therefore we will see a repudiation of Saving Faith in Christ's death, burial and resurrection FIRST.

NEXT we will see antichrist revealed .. most likely at the midpoint when he claims godhood.

LAST we will see the Return of Christ and be raptured.


Wonderful how clear Paul makes it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

The very first post in this thread makes your assumption impossible, again, impossible scripturally. If the Rapture happened at the Return of Christ, we would have gone through the wrath of God (which is unscriptural) and why would Paul have told us to encourage one another if we were to experience hell on earth? It's because what you've stated above is false.

The falling away of the church and the refusal of many in charge of God's people to preach the true message of the gospel and God's judgment has been going on for over a half a century now and it's been gradual linearly for many years even before then but today we've reached the precipice.

The man of lawlessness is revealed after the daily sacrifice is taken away (harpazo'd) and 1,290 days after the man of lawless is revealed and the Rapture occurs (mid-point of the 7 year Tribulation) which is revealed in Daniel 12:11, Satan is cast out of heaven for good where he takes bodily control of the Anti-Christ and the Abomination that makes desolate is set up.

God's removal of Christ's bride (which can happen at any second now) starts the 7-year Tribulation.


Jesus said-

Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
Matthew 24:34


The generation He was referring to was the generation of today. We know this because Israel became a nation May 14, 1948 in one day as the Bible foretold and a biblical generation is 70-80 years-

Our days may come to seventy years, or eighty, if our strength endures; yet the best of them are but trouble and sorrow, for they quickly pass, and we fly away.
Psalm 90:10

We are nearly 75 years into this last generation and when Jesus said this generation will not pass away until all of these things take place, He was referring to the end of days regarding the rise of the Anti-Christ, the desolation set up in the Holy Place and so on.


Christ will remove His bride before the Tribulation begins as the removal of His bride starts the 7-year Tribulation. Give your life to Christ now, do not be left behind for what God defines will be the worst 7 years in the entirety of human existence. The invitation to escape is free, take it now before it's too late.
 Quoting: Seek^



Wow .. where to begin? There is so much error here ...

The very first post in this thread makes your assumption impossible, again, impossible scripturally. If the Rapture happened at the Return of Christ, we would have gone through the wrath of God (which is unscriptural)
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No, we'll go through the wrath of antichrist (which is tribulation .. the first 5 Seals) NOT the Wrath of God.
I have explained this time & again.
BIG difference between tribulation and the Wrath of God.

The Day of the Lord begins with the Rapture.

Are you claiming that the martyrs in Seal 5 are God's Wrath?
God is killing his own?? Really??


why would Paul have told us to encourage one another if we were to experience hell on earth?
 Quoting: Seek^



One needs encouragement when one is being persecuted unto death.
Are you saying that God is persecuting His own??
That is what your hermeneutic is proposing ... obviously false.


The man of lawlessness is revealed after the daily sacrifice is taken away (harpazo'd)
 Quoting: Seek^



Oh yeah, I remember you. You are the one who thinks the church is the daily sacrifice. Church people being sacrificed at the temple in jerusalem.
That's some crazy ass shit right there. Can you say cult??

BTW - FIRST the man of sin is revealed, THEN comes the Rapture.
That's exactly what Paul wrote.


God's removal of Christ's bride (which can happen at any second now) starts the 7-year Tribulation.
 Quoting: Seek^



Wrong again.
That is in direct contradiction to what Jesus Himself said.
Jesus said that AFTER the tribulation He would gather His elect. AFTER the tribulation.

So what cult are you a member of? Just curious ....
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you're not humble in the least and unable to learn.
 Quoting: Seek^



Because I have already learned.

It is you who subsist on milk and not meat.

I learn everyday, thus I am a lifelong learner.

In the case of the Rapture, I try to bring sanity to insane interpretations (hermeneutics).
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The very first post in this thread makes your assumption impossible, again, impossible scripturally. If the Rapture happened at the Return of Christ, we would have gone through the wrath of God (which is unscriptural) and why would Paul have told us to encourage one another if we were to experience hell on earth? It's because what you've stated above is false.

The falling away of the church and the refusal of many in charge of God's people to preach the true message of the gospel and God's judgment has been going on for over a half a century now and it's been gradual linearly for many years even before then but today we've reached the precipice.

The man of lawlessness is revealed after the daily sacrifice is taken away (harpazo'd) and 1,290 days after the man of lawless is revealed and the Rapture occurs (mid-point of the 7 year Tribulation) which is revealed in Daniel 12:11, Satan is cast out of heaven for good where he takes bodily control of the Anti-Christ and the Abomination that makes desolate is set up.

God's removal of Christ's bride (which can happen at any second now) starts the 7-year Tribulation.


Jesus said-

Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
Matthew 24:34


The generation He was referring to was the generation of today. We know this because Israel became a nation May 14, 1948 in one day as the Bible foretold and a biblical generation is 70-80 years-

Our days may come to seventy years, or eighty, if our strength endures; yet the best of them are but trouble and sorrow, for they quickly pass, and we fly away.
Psalm 90:10

We are nearly 75 years into this last generation and when Jesus said this generation will not pass away until all of these things take place, He was referring to the end of days regarding the rise of the Anti-Christ, the desolation set up in the Holy Place and so on.


Christ will remove His bride before the Tribulation begins as the removal of His bride starts the 7-year Tribulation. Give your life to Christ now, do not be left behind for what God defines will be the worst 7 years in the entirety of human existence. The invitation to escape is free, take it now before it's too late.
 Quoting: Seek^



Wow .. where to begin? There is so much error here ...

The very first post in this thread makes your assumption impossible, again, impossible scripturally. If the Rapture happened at the Return of Christ, we would have gone through the wrath of God (which is unscriptural)
 Quoting: Seek^



No, we'll go through the wrath of antichrist (which is tribulation .. the first 5 Seals) NOT the Wrath of God.
I have explained this time & again.
BIG difference between tribulation and the Wrath of God.

The Day of the Lord begins with the Rapture.

Are you claiming that the martyrs in Seal 5 are God's Wrath?
God is killing his own?? Really??


why would Paul have told us to encourage one another if we were to experience hell on earth?
 Quoting: Seek^



One needs encouragement when one is being persecuted unto death.
Are you saying that God is persecuting His own??
That is what your hermeneutic is proposing ... obviously false.


The man of lawlessness is revealed after the daily sacrifice is taken away (harpazo'd)
 Quoting: Seek^



Oh yeah, I remember you. You are the one who thinks the church is the daily sacrifice. Church people being sacrificed at the temple in jerusalem.
That's some crazy ass shit right there. Can you say cult??

BTW - FIRST the man of sin is revealed, THEN comes the Rapture.
That's exactly what Paul wrote.


God's removal of Christ's bride (which can happen at any second now) starts the 7-year Tribulation.
 Quoting: Seek^



Wrong again.
That is in direct contradiction to what Jesus Himself said.
Jesus said that AFTER the tribulation He would gather His elect. AFTER the tribulation.

So what cult are you a member of? Just curious ....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

you're not humble in the least and unable to learn.
 Quoting: Seek^



Because I have already learned.

It is you who subsist on milk and not meat.

I learn everyday, thus I am a lifelong learner.

In the case of the Rapture, I try to bring sanity to insane interpretations (hermeneutics).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432


You see, when I was a young christian subsisting on milk, I also believed this lie of a pre-trib rapture.
[which does not fit biblically nor naturally into the endtimes scenario]

I asked of the Holy Spirit the truth regarding the rapture.
He taught me.
That was almost 30 years ago.

Now I am immune to the pre-trib errors.
However I still try to bring some out of the pre-trib cult.
I do have a love for the people of God who are being deceived by pre-trib lies.
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One must believe in pre-trib even though the scriptures are clearly showing us the Rapture is associated with the Day of the Lord events.
Pre-trib interpretation must be forced upon the scripture, rather than it falling naturally into place. Nevertheless one must believe it.

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womanchild I'm hardly responsible for your stupidity. The Bible is quite clear that the
Rapture and the Day of the Lord are two separate events. The Rapture does not take place upon the earth, we meet the Lord in the air.
It's right here in the scriptures...

Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
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One must believe in pre-trib even though the scriptures are clearly showing us the Rapture is associated with the Day of the Lord events.
Pre-trib interpretation must be forced upon the scripture, rather than it falling naturally into place. Nevertheless one must believe it.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432


I'm hardly responsible for your stupidity.
 Quoting: Judethz



But clearly responsible for promoting a lie.
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Because I have already learned.

It is you who subsist on milk and not meat.

I learn everyday, thus I am a lifelong learner.

In the case of the Rapture, I try to bring sanity to insane interpretations (hermeneutics).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432


You see, when I was a young christian subsisting on milk, I also believed this lie of a pre-trib rapture.
[which does not fit biblically nor naturally into the endtimes scenario]

I asked of the Holy Spirit the truth regarding the rapture.
He taught me.
That was almost 30 years ago.

Now I am immune to the pre-trib errors.
However I still try to bring some out of the pre-trib cult.
I do have a love for the people of God who are being deceived by pre-trib lies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

Don't let me interrupt you while you're replying to yourself and having a conversation but reading the below from you in this thread proves you don't know scripture regarding this subject, your language in this thread also shows you're found lacking-

In the book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ to John, in chapters 1-4 the Church is mentioned 19 times but not again after ch. 4. What happened to the church ??
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Here they are in Rev 6:9
"And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held"

and here in Rev 7:3
"Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads."

and Rev 7:9
"After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands"

and Rev 7:17
"For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes"


Obviously I can go on ... so I won't belabor the point.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

All of what you just quoted in scripture above is the 144,000 during the Tribulation. The bride is gone during the 7-year Tribulation.
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Notice the rebuttal (mine) above explaining the scriptures you linked that have nothing to do with the bride of Christ? The 144,000 are not the bride and are slain for their testimony, they are the last remnant set aside of His chosen for the Great Tribulation to preach the gospel to all of the world as a remnant who have been converted to the truth. What truth? That Jesus is the truth and He was who He said He is and He was rejected by His own people. The 7-year Tribulation is not for Christ's bride as Jesus has already taken God's wrath for the sin of His people on the cross but rather for the unrepentant of God's chosen because of their rejection of Christ in unbelief.

The Bride cannot be gone during the Tribulation, else whose heads are being cut off????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

Perhaps those left behind who finally turn to Christ and are beheaded for their testimony? Maybe?




Calling someone a "cult member" for explaining scripture and correcting your glaring misinterpretations of said scripture(s) as you're clearly lost on the subject is pretty sad, beyond sad actually.

I said I would no longer respond to you as you've proven you're not willing to learn and only interested in quarrelling and that's fine, wish you the best on your journey.

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Because I have already learned.

It is you who subsist on milk and not meat.

I learn everyday, thus I am a lifelong learner.

In the case of the Rapture, I try to bring sanity to insane interpretations (hermeneutics).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432


You see, when I was a young christian subsisting on milk, I also believed this lie of a pre-trib rapture.
[which does not fit biblically nor naturally into the endtimes scenario]

I asked of the Holy Spirit the truth regarding the rapture.
He taught me.
That was almost 30 years ago.

Now I am immune to the pre-trib errors.
However I still try to bring some out of the pre-trib cult.
I do have a love for the people of God who are being deceived by pre-trib lies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

Don't let me interrupt you while you're replying to yourself and having a conversation
 Quoting: Seek^



Is that a problem for you?

Supplying more information about my background?

Silly little things get under your skin.

Grow up, boy.
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Because I have already learned.

It is you who subsist on milk and not meat.

I learn everyday, thus I am a lifelong learner.

In the case of the Rapture, I try to bring sanity to insane interpretations (hermeneutics).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432


You see, when I was a young christian subsisting on milk, I also believed this lie of a pre-trib rapture.
[which does not fit biblically nor naturally into the endtimes scenario]

I asked of the Holy Spirit the truth regarding the rapture.
He taught me.
That was almost 30 years ago.

Now I am immune to the pre-trib errors.
However I still try to bring some out of the pre-trib cult.
I do have a love for the people of God who are being deceived by pre-trib lies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432



Calling someone a "cult member" for explaining scripture and correcting your glaring misinterpretations of said scripture(s) as you're clearly lost on the subject is pretty sad, beyond sad actually.
 Quoting: Seek^



I calls em as I sees em, culty.

I bet if I interviewed you, I would find a whole lot more that is culty about you.
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Because I have already learned.

It is you who subsist on milk and not meat.

I learn everyday, thus I am a lifelong learner.

In the case of the Rapture, I try to bring sanity to insane interpretations (hermeneutics).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432


You see, when I was a young christian subsisting on milk, I also believed this lie of a pre-trib rapture.
[which does not fit biblically nor naturally into the endtimes scenario]

I asked of the Holy Spirit the truth regarding the rapture.
He taught me.
That was almost 30 years ago.

Now I am immune to the pre-trib errors.
However I still try to bring some out of the pre-trib cult.
I do have a love for the people of God who are being deceived by pre-trib lies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432


The Bride cannot be gone during the Tribulation, else whose heads are being cut off????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

Perhaps those left behind who finally turn to Christ and are beheaded for their testimony? Maybe?
 Quoting: Seek^



Perhaps you are wrong?

Why would God leave some of His own on the earth?

So He could chop off their heads in His Wrath?


You see why your pre-trib interpretation is incorrect?
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For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ

1Thessalonians 5:9


For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little.


Isaiah 28:10


Because you have kept My command to persevere,
I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world,
to test those who dwell on the earth.


Revelation 3:10


In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.
If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.


John 14:2,3


Come, my people, enter your chambers,
And shut your doors behind you;
Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment,
Until the indignation is past.

For behold, the LORD comes out of His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;
The earth will also disclose her blood,
And will no more cover her slain.



Isaiah 26:20:21


Seek the LORD, all you meek of the earth,
Who have upheld His justice.
Seek righteousness, seek humility.
It may be that you will be hidden
In the day of the LORD's anger.



Zephaniah 2:3


For in the time of trouble
He shall hide me in His pavilion
;
In the secret place of His tabernacle
He shall hide me;
He shall set me high upon a rock.



Psalms 27:5


"Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season?
Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing.
Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods.
But if that evil servant says in his heart, 'My master is delaying his coming,'
and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards,
the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of,
and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites
. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."



Matthew 28:44-51


But take heed to yourselves,
lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life,
and that Day come on you unexpectedly.

For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.

Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass,
and to stand before the Son of Man.



Luke 21:34-36


For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery,
lest you should be wise in your own opinion,
that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.


Romans 11:25


Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—
in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.


1Corinthians 15:50-53


It is doubtless not profitable for me to boast. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord:
I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know,
God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven.
And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows—
how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.


2Corinthians 12:1-4


But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope.
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Therefore comfort one another with these words.



1Thessalonians 4:13-18


And may the Lord make you increase and abound in love to one another and to all, just as we do to you,
so that He may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints.



1Thessalonians 3:12,13

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I calls em as I sees em, culty.

I bet if I interviewed you, I would find a whole lot more that is culty about you.
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To the best of your understanding,

what is the Gospel Good News of Jesus Christ?
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Because I have already learned.

It is you who subsist on milk and not meat.

I learn everyday, thus I am a lifelong learner.

In the case of the Rapture, I try to bring sanity to insane interpretations (hermeneutics).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432


You see, when I was a young christian subsisting on milk, I also believed this lie of a pre-trib rapture.
[which does not fit biblically nor naturally into the endtimes scenario]

I asked of the Holy Spirit the truth regarding the rapture.
He taught me.
That was almost 30 years ago.

Now I am immune to the pre-trib errors.
However I still try to bring some out of the pre-trib cult.
I do have a love for the people of God who are being deceived by pre-trib lies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432


The Bride cannot be gone during the Tribulation, else whose heads are being cut off????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

Perhaps those left behind who finally turn to Christ and are beheaded for their testimony? Maybe?
 Quoting: Seek^



Perhaps you are wrong?

Why would God leave some of His own on the earth?

So He could chop off their heads in His Wrath?


You see why your pre-trib interpretation is incorrect?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

Those who are in rejection of Christ when the Rapture occurs will be left behind and some of these people will accept Christ in their hearts after the Rapture and will die for their faith during the Tribulation and be saved. This isn't a hard concept to grasp.
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I calls em as I sees em, culty.

I bet if I interviewed you, I would find a whole lot more that is culty about you.
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To the best of your understanding,

what is the Gospel Good News of Jesus Christ?
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Jesus Christ of Nazareth died on the cross for our sins, was buried and resurrected the third day.

THAT is the Gospel of Christ.
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You see, when I was a young christian subsisting on milk, I also believed this lie of a pre-trib rapture.
[which does not fit biblically nor naturally into the endtimes scenario]

I asked of the Holy Spirit the truth regarding the rapture.
He taught me.
That was almost 30 years ago.

Now I am immune to the pre-trib errors.
However I still try to bring some out of the pre-trib cult.
I do have a love for the people of God who are being deceived by pre-trib lies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432


The Bride cannot be gone during the Tribulation, else whose heads are being cut off????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

Perhaps those left behind who finally turn to Christ and are beheaded for their testimony? Maybe?
 Quoting: Seek^



Perhaps you are wrong?

Why would God leave some of His own on the earth?

So He could chop off their heads in His Wrath?


You see why your pre-trib interpretation is incorrect?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

Those who are in rejection of Christ when the Rapture occurs will be left behind and some of these people will accept Christ in their hearts after the Rapture and will die for their faith during the Tribulation and be saved. This isn't a hard concept to grasp.
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Oh, I grasp it alright.

It is simply not taught in the scriptures.

I've been there / done that.
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Perhaps those left behind who finally turn to Christ and are beheaded for their testimony? Maybe?
 Quoting: Seek^



Perhaps you are wrong?

Why would God leave some of His own on the earth?

So He could chop off their heads in His Wrath?


You see why your pre-trib interpretation is incorrect?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

Those who are in rejection of Christ when the Rapture occurs will be left behind and some of these people will accept Christ in their hearts after the Rapture and will die for their faith during the Tribulation and be saved. This isn't a hard concept to grasp.
 Quoting: Seek^


Oh, I grasp it alright.

It is simply not taught in the scriptures.

I've been there / done that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

You've grasped very little regarding this subject, wallow in your own ignorance if you so choose friend with my only advice being keep your heresies and misinterpretations of scripture to yourself and don't steal hope and sow confusion in others who are trying to seek the truth. That's all you've done in this thread.
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I calls em as I sees em, culty.

I bet if I interviewed you, I would find a whole lot more that is culty about you.
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To the best of your understanding,

what is the Gospel Good News of Jesus Christ?
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Jesus Christ of Nazareth died on the cross for our sins, was buried and resurrected the third day.

THAT is the Gospel of Christ.
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[Hopefully expanding upon my answer does not antagonize the OP as before]

I present to you THE Gospel:

1Cor 15

"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures"
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...



Perhaps you are wrong?

Why would God leave some of His own on the earth?

So He could chop off their heads in His Wrath?


You see why your pre-trib interpretation is incorrect?
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Those who are in rejection of Christ when the Rapture occurs will be left behind and some of these people will accept Christ in their hearts after the Rapture and will die for their faith during the Tribulation and be saved. This isn't a hard concept to grasp.
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Oh, I grasp it alright.

It is simply not taught in the scriptures.

I've been there / done that.
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You've grasped very little regarding this subject, wallow in your own ignorance if you so choose friend with my only advice being keep your heresies and misinterpretations of scripture to yourself and don't steal hope and sow confusion in others who are trying to seek the truth. That's all you've done in this thread.
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You have yet to prove a pre-trib rapture ... all you have are assumptions which are not born out by scripture.

Your pre-trib rapture is NOT taught in the Bible and you know it. Yet you continue to deceive the children of God.

The Rapture occurs immediately AFTER the tribulation and immediately BEFORE the Day of the Lord's Wrath.

THAT is what the Bible teaches. THAT is what Jesus teaches.

I grasp all of your little sidetracks which lead to error.
I know, because I was once one of you.
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Boy, those are great evidences!

Gotta run those references ...
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Your pre-trib rapture is NOT taught in the Bible and you know it. Yet you continue to deceive the children of God.
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In your opinion. We disagree.

The Rapture occurs immediately AFTER the tribulation and immediately BEFORE the Day of the Lord's Wrath.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

In your opinion. We disagree.

I believe The Tribulation is the 7 years.

I believe "The Great Tribulation," the "Wrath of God" is the last 3 1/2 years of that 7 years.

I believe the Rapture is Pre-Trib, before the 7 years.

In my opinion, according to my understanding.
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I see the Rapture here plainly.


For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ

1Thessalonians 5:9


For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little.


Isaiah 28:10


Because you have kept My command to persevere,
I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world,
to test those who dwell on the earth.


Revelation 3:10


In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.
If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.


John 14:2,3


Come, my people, enter your chambers,
And shut your doors behind you;
Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment,
Until the indignation is past.

For behold, the LORD comes out of His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;
The earth will also disclose her blood,
And will no more cover her slain.


Isaiah 26:20:21


Seek the LORD, all you meek of the earth,
Who have upheld His justice.
Seek righteousness, seek humility.
It may be that you will be hidden
In the day of the LORD's anger.


Zephaniah 2:3


For in the time of trouble
He shall hide me in His pavilion
;
In the secret place of His tabernacle
He shall hide me;
He shall set me high upon a rock.


Psalms 27:5


"Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season?
Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing.
Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods.
But if that evil servant says in his heart, 'My master is delaying his coming,'
and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards,
the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of,
and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites
. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."


Matthew 28:44-51


But take heed to yourselves,
lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life,
and that Day come on you unexpectedly.

For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.

Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass,
and to stand before the Son of Man.


Luke 21:34-36


For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery,
lest you should be wise in your own opinion,
that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.


Romans 11:25


Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—
in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.


1Corinthians 15:50-53


It is doubtless not profitable for me to boast. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord:
I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know,
God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven.
And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows—
how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.


2Corinthians 12:1-4


But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope.
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Therefore comfort one another with these words.


1Thessalonians 4:13-18


And may the Lord make you increase and abound in love to one another and to all, just as we do to you,
so that He may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints.


1Thessalonians 3:12,13

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You know, I think what we are seeing here is literally the birth of a new cult. The pre-trib cult.
It displays all the hallmarks of a modern cult ...
If one does not believe in pre-trib, you are called 'lost'.
If one does not believe in pre-trib, you are 'unworthy'.
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Not true.

No Rapture believer says it is essential to salvation.

No one has ever said worthiness is based upon belief in the Rapture. No one. Ever.
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You know, I think what we are seeing here is literally the birth of a new cult. The pre-trib cult.
It displays all the hallmarks of a modern cult ...
If one does not believe in pre-trib, you are called 'lost'.
If one does not believe in pre-trib, you are 'unworthy'.
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Not true.

No Rapture believer says it is essential to salvation.

No one has ever said worthiness is based upon belief in the Rapture. No one. Ever.
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I believe it was you that said it.

You look it up.
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and that Day come on you unexpectedly.

For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.

Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass,
and to stand before the Son of Man.



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What Day?
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Your pre-trib rapture is NOT taught in the Bible and you know it. Yet you continue to deceive the children of God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

In your opinion. We disagree.

The Rapture occurs immediately AFTER the tribulation and immediately BEFORE the Day of the Lord's Wrath.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

In your opinion. We disagree.

I believe The Tribulation is the 7 years.

I believe "The Great Tribulation," the "Wrath of God" is the last 3 1/2 years of that 7 years.

I believe the Rapture is Pre-Trib, before the 7 years.

In my opinion, according to my understanding.
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99.8% of people with the most basic elementary knowledge of the Tribulation in scripture agree with you above except this AC 5432 person. God's word is antithetical to this person's open interpretation of it. This person has proven many times in this thread alone he's unable to interpret basic scripture. Trying to converse with him is pointless on the subject as he's either a paid shill and/or simply wanting to argue and call people "son" and the like and claiming anyone who disagrees is part of a cult.

I'd stop engaging his foolishness, it's pointless.
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You know, I think what we are seeing here is literally the birth of a new cult. The pre-trib cult.
It displays all the hallmarks of a modern cult ...
If one does not believe in pre-trib, you are called 'lost'.
If one does not believe in pre-trib, you are 'unworthy'.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

Not true.

No Rapture believer says it is essential to salvation.

No one has ever said worthiness is based upon belief in the Rapture. No one. Ever.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85095557


I believe it was you that said it.

You look it up.
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Liar.

I have never said what I have never believed.

Can I be any clearer with you?
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I'd stop engaging his foolishness, it's pointless.
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I don't care what he believes...

I know what I believe.
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I'd stop engaging his foolishness, it's pointless.
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I don't care what he believes...

I know what I believe.
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And you're correct in what you believe and it's scriptural and the truth. The reason I started this thread was so that others may learn the truth as well and have hope and look forward to the promise ahead.
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Your pre-trib rapture is NOT taught in the Bible and you know it. Yet you continue to deceive the children of God.
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In your opinion. We disagree.

The Rapture occurs immediately AFTER the tribulation and immediately BEFORE the Day of the Lord's Wrath.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432

In your opinion. We disagree.

I believe The Tribulation is the 7 years.

I believe "The Great Tribulation," the "Wrath of God" is the last 3 1/2 years of that 7 years.

I believe the Rapture is Pre-Trib, before the 7 years.

In my opinion, according to my understanding.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85095557

99.8% of people with the most basic elementary knowledge of the Tribulation in scripture agree with you above except this AC 5432 person. God's word is antithetical to this person's open interpretation of it. This person has proven many times in this thread alone he's unable to interpret basic scripture. Trying to converse with him is pointless on the subject as he's either a paid shill and/or simply wanting to argue and call people "son" and the like and claiming anyone who disagrees is part of a cult.

I'd stop engaging his foolishness, it's pointless.
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I think of it as evidence that the 'Falling Away' is commencing and well along the way when supposed christians will not examine the scriptures for themselves.

They just regurgitate what other 'left behind' people have erroneously speculated about endtimes.

Sad indeed.

You will remember this conversation someday when you find yourself deep in the tribulation with your head being lopped off.

I am a sold out believer in the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
You will not break me with your errors.





GLP