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Transgender Day of Remembrance

 
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Most of us go through a living hell until we come to grips with this.

So true, so true.


My teenage years were the worse there was no Internet back then and I thought I was the only person on the planet like this. I use to pray so hard to make it all go away that I would cry myself to sleep.

So Cold ...................... So Alone



hugs


Thank you dear.

You bring a smile to that teenagers face.

Well to be honest I'm ballin' my eyes out!

Thank God for water proof makeup!
 Quoting: NikkiLaVey


Shit Nikki, you wearing makeup at this time of the day!!!

Hell I'm doing well if I put it on once a month, but I'm not as young as I used to be, and at the age where it doesn't matter what I put on, I'm still me underneath. ;)

hf
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Hey fence sitter.

I see you get down off the fence for this particular movement.

Something is wrong with you Sireen.

I've tried for months to understand your bullshit, but that's just you.

Your alligence to anyone just goes with whichever way the wind blows.

Bitch.
who said her murder was a hate crime? always jumping to conclusions....

people get murdered everyday. maybe she stole someones lipstick and bitch got dealt with.



Exactly.
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hugs


Thank you dear.

You bring a smile to that teenagers face.

Well to be honest I'm ballin' my eyes out!

Thank God for water proof makeup!

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translation, give me sympathy, give me sympathy. You chose to chop it. You were probably a handsome man that could have had many great looking women. One night you had a little too much to drink and decided "let me get it chopped that would be awesome"

As a person I have no disdain towards you and wish you the best, but that does not change my BELIEF that Chopping it is wrong in every facet of life. I'm sorry but it is how I feel.
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That's it isn't it?

They want to place homosexual humans on a ladder several wrungs below them so that they might be able to abuse something deemed nothing more than an animal.
This is how it becomes easy to hate, take away a person humanity so that you need not feel guilty for having hatred towards a fellow human being.
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:ts-Angie_Z:



Arrest Made In Zapata Killing
According to KUSA-TV, the waste of DNA who killed Angie Zapata has been found.

They are reporting that 32 year old Allen Ray Andrade, was arrested in Thornton on Tuesday and faces second-degree murder and aggravated motor vehicle theft charges.

He was on a date with Angie and when the suspect discovered she was was a transwoman, he killed her.

Andrade admits to police in an arrest affadavit obtained by KUSA-TV to killing Angie Zapata, who was found beaten to death in a Greeley apartment in the 2000 block of 4th Street on July 17. According to authorities Zapata had suffered fatal wounds to her head and face.

The affidavit says Andrade met Zapata on a social networking site, Mocospace, and the two arranged to meet July 15.

Zapata picked Andrade up in Thornton where he lived and the pair returned to Zapata's Greeley apartment together. Andrade told police Zapata performed a sexual act on him.

The following day, the affidavit explains, Andrade started to look at photos in the apartment and questioned Zapata's sex. That night, Andrade questioned Zapata directly, according to the affidavit, and Andrade says Zapata responded, "I'm all woman."

Andrade told police he grabbed Zapata in her genital area and felt a penis. He became angry and hit Zapata with his fist before grabbing a fire extinguisher and hitting her in the head twice, according to the affidavit.

Andrade explained to police that he thought he "killed it," referring to Zapata but when she made gurgling noises and started to sit up, he hit her with the extinguisher again.

He also admitted to police that he stole Zapata's car and drove away.

On the 17th, Zapata's sister, Monica Murguia, called police saying she had not heard from Zapata. She also went to her apartment where she found Zapata's body on the ground covered with a blanket.

Wednesday morning at around 1:45 a.m. Thornton Police responded to a noise complaint at Sierra Vista Apartment Homes in Thornton. There they contacted Andrade and linked him to the stolen car. He was arrested on outstanding warrants.

Andrade has a lengthy record that includes attempt to commit first-degree criminal trespass, attempt to commit theft from a person, possession of a contraband, attempted escape and attempt to commit theft by receiving. He served time for each of the convictions.

The Greeley Police Department is expected to hold a news conference at 2 PM MDT with additional information.

Can you smell the 'trans panic' defense Andrade's defense attorney will be cooking up?
 Quoting: NikkiLaVey



This is what I was talking about on your other tranny thread.

Can you IMAGINE how violated this man felt when he thought he was dating a woman then found out he was a MAN with a PENIS.

Don't you think that his horrible!!!! It's wrong against nature to many people.

Some of you trannys are predators. DISGUSTING!!!!!!!!
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Where is your concern for those who have half their noses removed because it is too big?

Or women who have breast augmentations?

Or the men who have penis augmentations?

Or tall people who have inches removed from their legs to be short?

Or short people who have bone added in inches to be tall?

What about liposuction???????????????????????????????????

There is a big damn difference between getting a part of a body to survive and changing a part because i don't like having a penis.

Also let me state, I may hate what tranny's are for, and may state so, I also would NEVER NEVER wish death on any of them.
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That's it isn't it?

They want to place homosexual humans on a ladder several wrungs below them so that they might be able to abuse something deemed nothing more than an animal.

This is how it becomes easy to hate, take away a person humanity so that you need not feel guilty for having hatred towards a fellow human being.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 555035



no, people are damn sick of all these groups "NOT WANTING EQUAL Treatment, wanting PREFERRENTIAL treatment, because their black, gay, trannies, the list goes on. The moment I create a White entertainment channel i'll be listed as a racist. If I create a heterosexual only tv channel i'm a bigot blah blah blah
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Please stop trying to fool yourself and us.


When one of your family comes out, I think you will change your mind. It's not a choice and I'm not trying to fool anyone, just educate the GLP readers a little.
 Quoting: Jenn++ 144626

Comes out? of what? the closet? I do have gays in my family and in my circle of friends. No Problems at all. Trans sexuals and homosexuals are not necessarily the same thing. But when someone we care about exhibits signs of mental duress, we band together and assist that person as much as we can. Seek proper medical attention for them. I could not sit by and support someone who wanted to intentionally disfigure their body. Like I said earlier, only if someone intervened at the appropriate time, your lives' wouldn't have been as painful as you say. Timing is everything. Why isn't there anyone to help these young people in times of crisis? That's what is really needed. And all this pain can be eased away with the proper counselling.
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Where is your concern for those who have half their noses removed because it is too big?

Or women who have breast augmentations?

Or the men who have penis augmentations?

Or tall people who have inches removed from their legs to be short?

Or short people who have bone added in inches to be tall?

What about liposuction???????????????????????????????????


There is a big damn difference between getting a part of a body to survive and changing a part because i don't like having a penis.

Also let me state, I may hate what tranny's are for, and may state so, I also would NEVER NEVER wish death on any of them.

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i don't think any of it is right. Why can't people just be proud of what they are born as/with.
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I blame peoples like you for the mass killings that take place on a daily basis around the world: people who belive they know it all and who are pushing it onto those who they see as backwards (in their own coordinate system of course).


Well all people(s) are entitled to their own opinion. Why you blame me for the killings of the world is beyond me. I'm not pushing anything onto the world, especially in this forum. Just pass the thread by unless you are truly interested in transgender people. Transgender is a fascinating subject to many people.


Of course it is beyond you... you just selectively truncated my whole post and kept the last five lines.

hmmm think I have seen this kind of tactic before. We may actually end up with a conspiracy here....


OH MY GOD!!!!!!!! Not a conspiracy on a conspiracy forum. Not lunatic fringe on a lunatic fringe forum. Not UFOs on a UFO forum.

If you are so against us then why do you keep reading the thread?
 Quoting: Jenn++ 144626


What you fail to understand, is most peoples don´t have anything against gay/trans/... it´s the flaming attitude that getting on some peoples nerves and also the deception that has been discussed before.

Stop acting like cry babies trying to act like you are so oppressed, like I said it´s the attitude and the total disregards for other people moral values (if this word has a meaning for you of course) .

What would you think if males were starting behaving like chippendales anytime anywhere irregardless of other people sensitivities?
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Arrest Made In Zapata Killing
According to KUSA-TV, the waste of DNA who killed Angie Zapata has been found.

They are reporting that 32 year old Allen Ray Andrade, was arrested in Thornton on Tuesday and faces second-degree murder and aggravated motor vehicle theft charges.

He was on a date with Angie and when the suspect discovered she was was a transwoman, he killed her.

Andrade admits to police in an arrest affadavit obtained by KUSA-TV to killing Angie Zapata, who was found beaten to death in a Greeley apartment in the 2000 block of 4th Street on July 17. According to authorities Zapata had suffered fatal wounds to her head and face.

The affidavit says Andrade met Zapata on a social networking site, Mocospace, and the two arranged to meet July 15.

Zapata picked Andrade up in Thornton where he lived and the pair returned to Zapata's Greeley apartment together. Andrade told police Zapata performed a sexual act on him.

The following day, the affidavit explains, Andrade started to look at photos in the apartment and questioned Zapata's sex. That night, Andrade questioned Zapata directly, according to the affidavit, and Andrade says Zapata responded, "I'm all woman."

Andrade told police he grabbed Zapata in her genital area and felt a penis. He became angry and hit Zapata with his fist before grabbing a fire extinguisher and hitting her in the head twice, according to the affidavit.

Andrade explained to police that he thought he "killed it," referring to Zapata but when she made gurgling noises and started to sit up, he hit her with the extinguisher again.

He also admitted to police that he stole Zapata's car and drove away.

On the 17th, Zapata's sister, Monica Murguia, called police saying she had not heard from Zapata. She also went to her apartment where she found Zapata's body on the ground covered with a blanket.

Wednesday morning at around 1:45 a.m. Thornton Police responded to a noise complaint at Sierra Vista Apartment Homes in Thornton. There they contacted Andrade and linked him to the stolen car. He was arrested on outstanding warrants.

Andrade has a lengthy record that includes attempt to commit first-degree criminal trespass, attempt to commit theft from a person, possession of a contraband, attempted escape and attempt to commit theft by receiving. He served time for each of the convictions.

The Greeley Police Department is expected to hold a news conference at 2 PM MDT with additional information.

Can you smell the 'trans panic' defense Andrade's defense attorney will be cooking up?



This is what I was talking about on your other tranny thread.

Can you IMAGINE how violated this man felt when he thought he was dating a woman then found out he was a MAN with a PENIS.

Don't you think that his horrible!!!! It's wrong against nature to many people.

Some of you trannys are predators. DISGUSTING!!!!!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 554844


Hmmm I think a real man would just walk out the door and chalk it up to a lesson learned about Internet Dating.
If we don't help each other who will

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translation, give me sympathy, give me sympathy. You chose to chop it. You were probably a handsome man that could have had many great looking women. One night you had a little too much to drink and decided "let me get it chopped that would be awesome"

As a person I have no disdain towards you and wish you the best, but that does not change my BELIEF that Chopping it is wrong in every facet of life. I'm sorry but it is how I feel.
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How hilariously naive.
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Very kind of you indeed.

However your sympathies are misplaced.

That transgendered person wasn't sad because she was herself.

She was sad because she couldn't realise her true potential because others won't let her. That's all.

The sadness comes from the fact that this person is not allowed to LIVE, that's all, really.

Put the sympathy to good use and help these unfortunates by informing others that they are not monsters but people, IS ALL.


Honestly and sincerely, you people do have my sympathies. I truly wish there was more I can do to help you.
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What you fail to understand, is most peoples don´t have anything against gay/trans/... it´s the flaming attitude that getting on some peoples nerves and also the deception that has been discussed before.

Stop acting like cry babies trying to act like you are so oppressed, like I said it´s the attitude and the total disregards for other people moral values (if this word has a meaning for you of course) .

What would you think if males were starting behaving like chippendales anytime anywhere irregardless of other people sensitivities?
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There will always be a small percentage of bad apples in the barrel no matter what the variety. Don't judge the entire barrel on a few bad ones.
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Very kind of you indeed.

However your sympathies are misplaced.

That transgendered person wasn't sad because she was herself.

She was sad because she couldn't realise her true potential because others won't let her. That's all.

The sadness comes from the fact that this person is not allowed to LIVE, that's all, really.

Put the sympathy to good use and help these unfortunates by informing others that they are not monsters but people, IS ALL.

Honestly and sincerely, you people do have my sympathies. I truly wish there was more I can do to help you.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 555035


If people could spend one day in the body of someone different they would get it.

See Transgender people have a problem because VERY few others have any frame of reference for what it is like.
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They may not be on this thread but they are at GLP.

See how your logic has no foundation in fact?

On the other hand, if it bothers you so, go to another thread as has been suggested.

You would just rather to stay here with the fags , hang out with the trannies.

Getting an unfamiliar itch there?

That's how I became gay. Started hanging out all all the gay threads, and I 'TURNED.'

laugh
And they are not the one bitching about intolerance on this thread, they just keep it for themselves and no one cares what they do in their private life.

On the other hand...
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I see, it just sounded like you were pointing to gays.

Do you believe that it is justified to kill someone for any reason?


I believe in Justice. If Justice means killing another person, that is the prerogative and consequence of the persons involved.

I think this Universe/Creation has enough safeguards to balance the system of Justice whether in this life or the next. I doubt that it is the individuals duty to justify their actions/deeds.

I've seen the Auric changes in people who have murdered others, and the moment you directly take another person's life, you change. Killing is not a one way path that ends in the murderers hand. Their Aura changes and everything is recorded.

I don't think it is justified to kill someone for any reason, but I do think that killing can be justified by the human mind, ego and body for a specific reason or cause.

I'm sure the Spirit or whatever will disagree with killing another person, but the Mind, Body and Spirit work in tandem, and biologically the Human Mind, Body have favored violence under many circumstances.
 Quoting: Tryptamind


I think that ego is the culprit, spirit would never kill. The spiritually evolved would let their life be taken if it meant so much to the other, because we are spirit, immortal and therefore cannot be harmed in any way. We are spirit having a human experience, which is to evolve to higher spirituality. You are right that biologically some favour violence, I agree whole-heartedly. Do you not think if we recognize this, that we should be able to overcome these human traits?

Would you think twice before killing another if at the point of killing the other you yourself would likewise die in the same or similar circumstances??? Maybe not in this lifetime but in another? I believe in karma and I believe that what goes around, comes around.

If you believed that we, as children of the Creator, are all related, would that make you more thoughtful before you killed a person or even judged a person?

This is not meant to be personal but just for discussion purposes. :)
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CARL JUNG IN 1919

"The power of accurate observation is often called cynicism by those who don't have it." - George Bernard Shaw

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"Mankind's true moral test, its fundamental test (which lies deeply buried from view) consists of its attitude towards those who are at its mercy - animals."
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They may not be on this thread but they are at GLP.

See how your logic has no foundation in fact?

On the other hand, if it bothers you so, go to another thread as has been suggested.

You would just rather to stay here with the fags , hang out with the trannies.

Getting an unfamiliar itch there?

That's how I became gay. Started hanging out all all the gay threads, and I 'TURNED.'

laugh


And they are not the one bitching about intolerance on this thread, they just keep it for themselves and no one cares what they do in their private life.

On the other hand...

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tell you what i'll give it a try. How bout you like my hairy buttcrack and undersack and i'll see if i like it and it does anything for me?
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What you fail to understand, is most peoples don´t have anything against gay/trans/... it´s the flaming attitude that getting on some peoples nerves and also the deception that has been discussed before.

Stop acting like cry babies trying to act like you are so oppressed, like I said it´s the attitude and the total disregards for other people moral values (if this word has a meaning for you of course) .

What would you think if males were starting behaving like chippendales anytime anywhere irregardless of other people sensitivities?


There will always be a small percentage of bad apples in the barrel no matter what the variety. Don't judge the entire barrel on a few bad ones.
 Quoting: Jenn++ 144626


Well "trangender remembrance day" cames out of the bad one.

it´s segregationist and ego-centrical. It gives the impression of denying all the rest and to be a good occasion to flame on a big avenue and show how so "special" you are.

Just stay humble.
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NO. The instant you finally realise that these people indeed have the very same rights as you to do with their lives as they please, THE QUICKER you will learn what freedom is all about.

You have been opressed all your life for various reasons and now think it is ok to go about and opress others.

Gays include others in their community, on the other YOU do not include certain groups into your community and therein lies the big problem with equality.
no, people are damn sick of all these groups "NOT WANTING EQUAL Treatment, wanting PREFERRENTIAL treatment, because their black, gay, trannies, the list goes on. The moment I create a White entertainment channel i'll be listed as a racist. If I create a heterosexual only tv channel i'm a bigot blah blah blah
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HELLOOOO They are getting beat up and killed becuase they put themselves out there as women then date men who find out they have dicks and the men freak out on them.

Can you imagine how violeted you would feel if some man just gave you a BJ and you were not gay!!!!!

OMFG ewwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!
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Kinda like females who run around in public being divas irregarless of other peoples sesibilities???

Something I'm sure you agree with, as an afterthought, huh?
What would you think if males were starting behaving like chippendales anytime anywhere irregardless of other people sensitivities?
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NO. The instant you finally realise that these people indeed have the very same rights as you to do with their lives as they please, THE QUICKER you will learn what freedom is all about.

You have been opressed all your life for various reasons and now think it is ok to go about and opress others.

Gays include others in their community, on the other YOU do not include certain groups into your community and therein lies the big problem with equality.no, people are damn sick of all these groups "NOT WANTING EQUAL Treatment, wanting PREFERRENTIAL treatment, because their black, gay, trannies, the list goes on. The moment I create a White entertainment channel i'll be listed as a racist. If I create a heterosexual only tv channel i'm a bigot blah blah blah

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So what´s next ? lobbying to pass a low stipulating that every male has to have at least 2 trans/gays friends in his circle ?

Everyone has the right to choose their friends according to their taste PERIOD.
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..snip..

That's how I became gay. Started hanging out all all the gay threads, and I 'TURNED.'

..snip..

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This is such disinfo and sounds republican or dogmatic xtian.
I know myself and several other transgender people didn't "TURN" and we had no choice in the matter. If I did have a choice don't you think I would avoid all the trouble it causes me?
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:Familyreun:

Dee Dee and I at My family reunion this summer.

Bobby (the one without a shirt) he and I would share a bed when I stayed at my grandmother's where he lived.

One of the first things he said to me when he saw what I looked like now was "Damn I would pick you up in a bar and never know" lmao
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Well if you want.

But you would better serve yourself to try it with someone you know who is open to that. Like a close cute friend who knows how to keep sexual alliances to himself. Someone you know who doesn't go around bragging about who hairy happy happ joy joy he saw and what under sack he licked.

I'm not a spring board, but some of you straight guys think I am somehow.
tell you what i'll give it a try. How bout you like my hairy buttcrack and undersack and i'll see if i like it and it does anything for me?
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:Familyreun:

Dee Dee and I at My family reunion this summer.

Bobby (the one without a shirt) he and I would share a bed when I stayed at my grandmother's where he lived.

One of the first things he said to me when he saw what I looked like now was "Damn I would pick you up in a bar and never know" lmao
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i love ya'lls pictures!!!!

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i remember seeing one of you once in a gold dress...that's my fav :)
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Kinda like females who run around in public being divas irregarless of other peoples sesibilities???

Something I'm sure you agree with, as an afterthought, huh?What would you think if males were starting behaving like chippendales anytime anywhere irregardless of other people sensitivities?

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Isn´t that expected from a woman ? (assuming you have definition of Diva as I do)
I don´t see a problem with women being women.
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..snip..

That's how I became gay. Started hanging out all all the gay threads, and I 'TURNED.'

..snip..



This is such disinfo and sounds republican or dogmatic xtian.
I know myself and several other transgender people didn't "TURN" and we had no choice in the matter. If I did have a choice don't you think I would avoid all the trouble it causes me?
 Quoting: Jenn++ 144626


Jenn he was joking hon he is one our side.

The first time I was at the "Be-All" there were two bikers checking out the silver jewelry in the vendors area and rolled you to them and said "You know this is how it starts next year you'll be here in a mini ans CFM Pumps"
They laughed.
If we don't help each other who will

Dream the Good Dream,

Nikki





GLP