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UseLess RepEATER User ID: 1152596 United States 01/12/2013 01:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do you bring a checkbook with you to court? Do the "laws" you claim to uphold/enforce/use to protect your clients supersede our unalienable rights guaranteed by our creator? Real Eyes, Realize, Real Lies..... Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. ~H. L. Mencken~ We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. ~Plato~ When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic. ~Dresden James~ |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 31370167 United States 01/12/2013 01:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why don't you divulge the true meaning of being a member of the BAR? Why are most, if not all courts, ADMIRALTY COURTS? Quoting: UseLess RepEATER Do you bring a checkbook with you to court? Do the "laws" you claim to uphold/enforce/use to protect your clients supersede our unalienable rights guaranteed by our creator? Only federal courts have jurisdiction over maritime disputes, so there's that. As for your unalienable rights vs laws, as an intellectual exercise it might be cool to discuss, but in reality these "laws" have a big impact on your real life, like when you're facing jail time, or are being sued for a shit ton of money...so yeah, they're pretty important. |
UseLess RepEATER User ID: 1152596 United States 01/12/2013 01:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why don't you divulge the true meaning of being a member of the BAR? Why are most, if not all courts, ADMIRALTY COURTS? Quoting: UseLess RepEATER Do you bring a checkbook with you to court? Do the "laws" you claim to uphold/enforce/use to protect your clients supersede our unalienable rights guaranteed by our creator? Only federal courts have jurisdiction over maritime disputes, so there's that. As for your unalienable rights vs laws, as an intellectual exercise it might be cool to discuss, but in reality these "laws" have a big impact on your real life, like when you're facing jail time, or are being sued for a shit ton of money...so yeah, they're pretty important. I appreciate your answers. Will you please expound on what being a member of the BAR signifies? Here's a brief synopsis based on info. easily searchable: "The owners who control the American BAR Association are a private corporation whose headquarters are located in England. BAR stands for British Accredited Registry. Attorneys at law are given the title of 'Esquire' through the BAR, a title meaning 'Shield Bearer'; they carry this shield for the 'Crown of the City of London'. Attorney: one who transfers or assigns property, rights, title and allegiance to the owner of the land." [link to home.hiwaay.net] Real Eyes, Realize, Real Lies..... Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. ~H. L. Mencken~ We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. ~Plato~ When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic. ~Dresden James~ |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 31370167 United States 01/12/2013 01:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why don't you divulge the true meaning of being a member of the BAR? Why are most, if not all courts, ADMIRALTY COURTS? Quoting: UseLess RepEATER Do you bring a checkbook with you to court? Do the "laws" you claim to uphold/enforce/use to protect your clients supersede our unalienable rights guaranteed by our creator? Only federal courts have jurisdiction over maritime disputes, so there's that. As for your unalienable rights vs laws, as an intellectual exercise it might be cool to discuss, but in reality these "laws" have a big impact on your real life, like when you're facing jail time, or are being sued for a shit ton of money...so yeah, they're pretty important. I appreciate your answers. Will you please expound on what being a member of the BAR signifies? Here's a brief synopsis based on info. easily searchable: "The owners who control the American BAR Association are a private corporation whose headquarters are located in England. BAR stands for British Accredited Registry. Attorneys at law are given the title of 'Esquire' through the BAR, a title meaning 'Shield Bearer'; they carry this shield for the 'Crown of the City of London'. Attorney: one who transfers or assigns property, rights, title and allegiance to the owner of the land." [link to home.hiwaay.net] The bar just means the legal profession. The article you linked to says that your theory is wrong. |
UseLess RepEATER User ID: 1152596 United States 01/12/2013 01:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why don't you divulge the true meaning of being a member of the BAR? Why are most, if not all courts, ADMIRALTY COURTS? Quoting: UseLess RepEATER Do you bring a checkbook with you to court? Do the "laws" you claim to uphold/enforce/use to protect your clients supersede our unalienable rights guaranteed by our creator? Only federal courts have jurisdiction over maritime disputes, so there's that. As for your unalienable rights vs laws, as an intellectual exercise it might be cool to discuss, but in reality these "laws" have a big impact on your real life, like when you're facing jail time, or are being sued for a shit ton of money...so yeah, they're pretty important. I appreciate your answers. Will you please expound on what being a member of the BAR signifies? Here's a brief synopsis based on info. easily searchable: "The owners who control the American BAR Association are a private corporation whose headquarters are located in England. BAR stands for British Accredited Registry. Attorneys at law are given the title of 'Esquire' through the BAR, a title meaning 'Shield Bearer'; they carry this shield for the 'Crown of the City of London'. Attorney: one who transfers or assigns property, rights, title and allegiance to the owner of the land." [link to home.hiwaay.net] The bar just means the legal profession. The article you linked to says that your theory is wrong. It's not my theory (and I know what the site claimed); that's why I wanted you to educate us since you are most likely a member of that club? Real Eyes, Realize, Real Lies..... Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. ~H. L. Mencken~ We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. ~Plato~ When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic. ~Dresden James~ |
Wake up, or hit the snooze? User ID: 31981380 Australia 01/12/2013 01:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just a word of advise. Don't be cheap. Hire a competent lawyer. Otherwise we'll just end up having drinks with the prosecutor who just fucked your life and will spend the night laughing at you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31370167 I went to court for GTA, sacked my lawyer, and copped it on the chin. I was fined $500 for stealing a brand new car. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 31962852 United States 01/12/2013 01:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just a word of advise. Don't be cheap. Hire a competent lawyer. Otherwise we'll just end up having drinks with the prosecutor who just fucked your life and will spend the night laughing at you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31370167 I went to court for GTA, sacked my lawyer, and copped it on the chin. I was fined $500 for stealing a brand new car. You did something right if all you got for stealing a car was a $500 fine. Over here you spend a little time in jail for that, if not prison. |
UseLess RepEATER User ID: 1152596 United States 01/12/2013 01:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What would be your impressions of this material counselor? Real Eyes, Realize, Real Lies..... Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. ~H. L. Mencken~ We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. ~Plato~ When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic. ~Dresden James~ |
Be a good citizen. User ID: 31981380 Australia 01/12/2013 01:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Over here you spend a little time in jail for that, if not prison. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31962852 What the diff (jail/prison)? Prob cause I was last for the day, and everyone else was giving lame-ass stories (mostly DUI's), and at one point even I nearly yelled out for them to shut up with all the BS. I copped it, no excuses, and judge seemed too happy to almost let me off. |
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simultaneous_final User ID: 31759745 United States 01/12/2013 01:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A subject observes itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself ad infinitum. |
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simultaneous_final User ID: 31759745 United States 01/12/2013 02:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Figure it out. If you can't, then you're at the mercy of your "masters". If someone asks you if you understands your "charges", then say: Am I CHARGED with (theft or whatever) ? Why would you have me do that, robed one? I refuse! A "charge" is a rightful ORDER. For example, You are charged with carrying out the obligations of your wedding vows. Think about that. A subject observes itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself ad infinitum. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 22176654 United States 01/12/2013 02:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I know a little bit about the sovereign movement but it just seems like that would catch on. By even showing up to the court are you not agreeing that they have the power to come grab you if you do not? not trying to antagonize just seems like everyone would do that if it worked. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 3064678 Canada 01/12/2013 02:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I only follow and obey my Creator's laws and not his creations acts, statutes, codes or otherwise. So you can take your bullshit courts and your B.A.R and ram it up the queens twat. If you take a lawyer, it tells the judge you are mentally incompedant to stand trial and therefore give up all rights and are basically at the mercy of the judge. I don't play those games I'm a real man, flesh and blood and tell the truth, something these kangaroo courts cannot and will not hear. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 31949842 Australia 01/12/2013 02:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm a lawyer and have seen some of these dumbass sovereign guys do their pro-se defense bullshit for crimes they're accused of. It's fucking hilarious and they always get their shit pushed in. Our local da even puts 3 month licensed baby prosecutors to humiliate them. Some of my buddies and I will even take time to sit in the pews and lol at the train wreck. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31370167 Just a word of advise. Don't be cheap. Hire a competent lawyer. Otherwise we'll just end up having drinks with the prosecutor who just fucked your life and will spend the night laughing at you. I was successful at self representation, even got the cops to atone for their lies. |
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simultaneous_final User ID: 31759745 United States 01/12/2013 03:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I know a little bit about the sovereign movement but it just seems like that would catch on. By even showing up to the court are you not agreeing that they have the power to come grab you if you do not? not trying to antagonize just seems like everyone would do that if it worked. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22176654 Go ahead and show up. But show up as a a SOLIPSIST. You were invited so show up. But don't enter a plea. Only an idiot does that. As soon as you enter a plea you are CONTRACTING WITH TH COURT. Refuse to enter a plea. Make it known that you will not "contract with this or any court or jurisdiction". This is for violations, NOT ACTUAL CRIMES WITH DAMAGES. A subject observes itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself ad infinitum. |
simultaneous_final User ID: 31759745 United States 01/12/2013 03:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I know a little bit about the sovereign movement but it just seems like that would catch on. By even showing up to the court are you not agreeing that they have the power to come grab you if you do not? not trying to antagonize just seems like everyone would do that if it worked. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22176654 Go ahead and show up. But show up as a a SOLIPSIST. You were invited so show up. But don't enter a plea. Only an idiot does that. As soon as you enter a plea you are CONTRACTING WITH TH COURT. Refuse to enter a plea. Make it known that you will not "contract with this or any court or jurisdiction". This is for violations, NOT ACTUAL CRIMES WITH DAMAGES. A subject observes itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself ad infinitum. |
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MHz User ID: 25505891 Canada 01/12/2013 03:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just a word of advise. Don't be cheap. Hire a competent lawyer. Otherwise we'll just end up having drinks with the prosecutor who just fucked your life and will spend the night laughing at you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31370167 You do that anyway you dumb fuck. (in part) THE CROWN TEMPLE The governmental and judicial systems within the United States of America, at both federal and local state levels, is owned by the “Crown,” which is a private foreign power. Before jumping to conclusions about the Queen of England or the Royal Families of Britain owning the U.S.A., this is a different “Crown” and is fully exposed and explained below. We are specifically referencing the established Templar Church, known for centuries by the world as the “Crown.” From this point on, we will also refer to the Crown as the Crown Temple or Crown Templar, all three being synonymous. All licensed Bar Attorneys in the U.S. owe their allegiance and give their solemn oath in pledge to the Crown Temple, realizing this or not. This is simply due to the fact that all Bar Associations throughout the world are signatories and franchises to the international Bar Association located at the Inns of Court at Crown Temple, which are physically located at Chancery Lane behind Fleet Street in London. Although they vehemently deny it, all Bar Associations in the U.S., such as the American Bar Association, the Florida Bar, or California Bar Association, are franchises to the Crown. The present Queen of England is not the “Crown,” as we have all been led to believe. Rather, it is the Bankers and Attorneys who are the actual Crown or Crown Temple. The Monarch aristocrats of England have not been ruling sovereigns since the reign of King John, circa 1215. All royal sovereignty of the old British Crown since that time has passed to the Crown Temple in Chancery. The legal system (judiciary) of the U.S.A. is controlled by the Crown Temple from the independent and sovereign City of London. The private Federal Reserve System, which issues fiat U.S. Federal Reserve Notes, is financially owned and controlled by the Crown from Switzerland, the home and legal origin for the charters of the United Nations, the International Monetary Fund, the World Trade Organization, and most importantly, the Bank of International Settlements. Even Hitler respected his Crown bankers by not bombing Switzerland. The Bank of International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland controls all the central banks of the G7 nations. He who controls the gold rules the world. [link to www.sodahead.com] You use that method for shit like parking tickets, speeding tickets not a fucking murder charge. BTW now such thing as this "a competent lawyer", there are just various degrees of incompetence. |
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