BOEING GUY

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Can't you use an old microwave, fridge or freezer as a faraday cage?


I havee heard you can, but you still have to prep it properly...

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Can't you use an old microwave, fridge or freezer as a faraday cage?


I havee heard you can, but you still have to prep it properly...


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First of all, allow me to dispel some myths about Faraday cages—and boy, howdy, there are a LOT of them.

* Whether or not your electronics are plugged in, how long of an antenna you’ve got on something, what voltage it is, or whether or not they operate with batteries—all non-protected electronics will be affected by an EMP.
* Batteries will be affected, usually in the form of “shorting” as well.
* Electronic phone systems will also be damaged.
* Surge protectors are useless in the event of an EMP exposure.
* Just because your car has rubber tires, it will not be impervious to the effects of an EMP. Rubber containers are insufficient protection against an EMP.
* And oh yeah—yes, your Faraday cages DO need to be grounded. If it’s NOT grounded, then the Faraday cage merely becomes a reflector or an amplifier.
* Yes, a microwave can act as a Faraday cage, but why in the world would you want to use it for that? That’s just silly when you can make one simply.
* Faraday cages do not have to be solid, thus the name “cage” instead of the oft misused term—“box.” In fact, many of them that you can build yourself or will see on the internet will resemble a bird cage or a very finely meshed chicken coop wire.
* Also, contrary to what you may see on the internet, a sheet of foil on a box will not protect you. It’s not thick enough to withstand the pulse. However, you CAN protect your items if they are buried a couple of feet underground in every direction (up and sideways.)
* Last, but not least, a car is NOT a Faraday cage sufficient to withstand an EMP incident. It has some similar components, yes. Most cars made today consist of fiberglass and disjointed parts, not a continuous metal material. In addition to that, they are on tires. Tires on a car do NOT serve as grounding. Folks are simply getting an EMP strike confused with a lightening strike. Now, IF you had an old fashioned car that was made of metal, that had its tires removed, that was also attached to an Iron or copper pole and that was ALSO on dirt—not gravel—then yes, you may have a car that doubles as a Faraday cage. (Kind of like the old clunker my dad has out in his “back forty.”
* The cages do not have to be solid, but they do have to be constructed continuously without gaps between the protective material.

Thanks SS and Boeing Guy


Your welcome, Chawlee...

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Thanks you two ;) I just didn't want your efforts, SS, to be lessened, or mitigated, by infighting. It's too bad that the argument couldn't be taken private and off the thread, but oh well, such is life.

So....on a related note:

How many here have been without power for any length of time? How long was the outage? How did you cope? What did you learn was important to have, that you didn't?


I have lived without power for months at a time, years ago. It can be done, even though you think it can't ;)

Thanks SS and Boeing Guy


Your welcome, Chawlee...

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I'm usually pretty good at catching that kind of stuff...

So... no answer as to why he claimed NEO's were classified? I'm not really surprised. Now feel free to commence flaming me for "heckling."

I remember an article that said they were. Had something to do with 3 days.

They're not classified. There was an article about recommendations on when to announce an impactor is headed our way if and when one is detected, but nothing was classified nor was it even recommended that anything be classified. Even if they didn't hold a press conference about it you could know about it just by keeping tabs on the latest NEO detections.

Stores have a 3 day supply of food.

He is abusive, sacastic and crude for one.

Thinks he is better than everyone else number two.

He is on the list number three.

So... no answer as to why he claimed NEO's were classified? I'm not really surprised. Now feel free to commence flaming me for "heckling."

I remember an article that said they were. Had something to do with 3 days.

They're not classified. There was an article about recommendations on when to announce an impactor is headed our way if and when one is detected, but nothing was classified nor was it even recommended that anything be classified. Even if they didn't hold a press conference about it you could know about it just by keeping tabs on the latest NEO detections.

Military Hush-Up: Incoming Space Rocks Now Classified
By Leonard David
SPACE.com's Space Insider Columnist
posted: 10 June 2009
05:35 pm ET

ASTRONUT just exactly what is it that you don't believe is credible about what Boeing Guy said? Leave out the NEO.

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Can't you use an old microwave, fridge or freezer as a faraday cage?


I havee heard you can, but you still have to prep it properly...


[link to preparednesspro.wordpress.com]

First of all, allow me to dispel some myths about Faraday cages—and boy, howdy, there are a LOT of them.

* Whether or not your electronics are plugged in, how long of an antenna you’ve got on something, what voltage it is, or whether or not they operate with batteries—all non-protected electronics will be affected by an EMP.
* Batteries will be affected, usually in the form of “shorting” as well.
* Electronic phone systems will also be damaged.
* Surge protectors are useless in the event of an EMP exposure.
* Just because your car has rubber tires, it will not be impervious to the effects of an EMP. Rubber containers are insufficient protection against an EMP.
* And oh yeah—yes, your Faraday cages DO need to be grounded. If it’s NOT grounded, then the Faraday cage merely becomes a reflector or an amplifier.
* Yes, a microwave can act as a Faraday cage, but why in the world would you want to use it for that? That’s just silly when you can make one simply.
* Faraday cages do not have to be solid, thus the name “cage” instead of the oft misused term—“box.” In fact, many of them that you can build yourself or will see on the internet will resemble a bird cage or a very finely meshed chicken coop wire.
* Also, contrary to what you may see on the internet, a sheet of foil on a box will not protect you. It’s not thick enough to withstand the pulse. However, you CAN protect your items if they are buried a couple of feet underground in every direction (up and sideways.)
* Last, but not least, a car is NOT a Faraday cage sufficient to withstand an EMP incident. It has some similar components, yes. Most cars made today consist of fiberglass and disjointed parts, not a continuous metal material. In addition to that, they are on tires. Tires on a car do NOT serve as grounding. Folks are simply getting an EMP strike confused with a lightening strike. Now, IF you had an old fashioned car that was made of metal, that had its tires removed, that was also attached to an Iron or copper pole and that was ALSO on dirt—not gravel—then yes, you may have a car that doubles as a Faraday cage. (Kind of like the old clunker my dad has out in his “back forty.”
* The cages do not have to be solid, but they do have to be constructed continuously without gaps between the protective material.

Does anyone know if it would be possible to build a Faraday Cage for say a laptop to help protect it from a CME?

I can't seem to find any research on the frequency that a CME might produce since it seems to vary so much. With that said it seems difficult to perdict what type of material to build the faraday cage from.

Thanks SS and Boeing Guy


Your welcome, Chawlee...

you're




I'm usually pretty good at catching that kind of stuff...


But if you don't you can't count on the grammer police being jonny on the spot:) they gots yur bac yo!!!!

Thanks SS and Boeing Guy


Your welcome, Chawlee...

you're




I'm usually pretty good at catching that kind of stuff...


But if you don't you can't count on the grammer police being jonny on the spot:) they gots yur bac yo!!!!



just pointing out that SS is not that 'accurate' or detail oriented.




should I take my tomato plants in?

Thanks SS and Boeing Guy


Your welcome, Chawlee...

you're




I'm usually pretty good at catching that kind of stuff...


But if you don't you can't count on the grammer police being jonny on the spot:) they gots yur bac yo!!!!



just pointing out that SS is not that 'accurate' or detail oriented.




should I take my tomato plants in?

Does anyone know if it would be possible to build a Faraday Cage for say a laptop to help protect it from a CME?

I can't seem to find any research on the frequency that a CME might produce since it seems to vary so much. With that said it seems difficult to perdict what type of material to build the faraday cage from.



If everything is gone, then what good is it to have the techology? We just put in a $100,000 solar system, took our bill from 1500 a month to zero, but will not serve much purpose when SHTF.

I 'spose our garden, goats, chickens, well and food storage will be our saviour...oh and the mre's for bug out time...do not see where svaed toys fit in.

"As above, so below" - sun worshiping deathcult 1500 BC

"As above, so below" - sun worshiping deathcult 1500 BC

Does anyone know if it would be possible to build a Faraday Cage for say a laptop to help protect it from a CME?

I can't seem to find any research on the frequency that a CME might produce since it seems to vary so much. With that said it seems difficult to perdict what type of material to build the faraday cage from.



If everything is gone, then what good is it to have the techology? We just put in a $100,000 solar system, took our bill from 1500 a month to zero, but will not serve much purpose when SHTF.

I 'spose our garden, goats, chickens, well and food storage will be our saviour...oh and the mre's for bug out time...do not see where svaed toys fit in.

ASTRONUT just exactly what is it that you don't believe is credible about what Boeing Guy said? Leave out the NEO.

ASTRONUT just exactly what is it that you don't believe is credible about what Boeing Guy said? Leave out the NEO.





He's seen it won't answer.

He is abusive, sacastic and crude for one.

I try very hard to let others strike first. If I mistook once AC for another and took a shot at the wrong one I apologize; sometimes I have difficulty keeping everyone's numbers straight in my head. Yes, I make mistakes, I admit it.
Thinks he is better than everyone else number two.

Utter nonsense. There are those on this forum I look up to. They just happen to be quite different from the people you might look up to.
He is on the list number three.

What list?