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NiNzrez (OP) User ID: 1135433 United States 09/30/2011 01:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | is that the blue line below the red one? what does this blue line mean? K+ for answer,,,,(if I haven't already K+ within the last week; if so will wait) thanks ! Red and blue lines represent two different X-ray sensors on the GOES satellite Red line is radiation from the Sun at wavelengths from 1 to 5 Angstroms (0.1 to 0.5 nanometers). Blue line is radiation at wavelengths from 0.5 to 4 Angstroms (0.05 to 0.4 nanometers) basicly, the blue line will show any changes 1st because it is set to pick up lower readings the red line is what we use for the actual reading size of the flare Join Me On The GLP SOLAR WATCH Thread Thread: SOLAR WATCH * Huge X8.2 Flare Sept. 10, 2017! (Updated Daily) |
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Richard S. User ID: 577949 United States 09/30/2011 01:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I believe the reason why the japanese magnetosphere wasn't updated for a couple of days recently, because there is a time frame between a flare and the hit and certain key parts in the "surveillaince" are simulated to hide what's really going on. |
<<LOOK`n thru YOU>> User ID: 921787 United States 09/30/2011 01:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | New comet going to hit Sun next days, LASCO C3 - 20110930 Quoting: Rain-Man Thread: New comet going to hit Sun next days, LASCO C3 - 20110930 Kudos rain-man [link to spaceweather.com] They are now saying it will probably dive into the sun |
Hugh M Eye User ID: 2368961 United States 09/30/2011 01:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NASA Messenger update from yesterday's conference-Messenger has detected sodium ion plasma in Mercury's magnetosphere. Due to holes and overall weakness of Mercury's magnetosphere, it is believed material is being scoured away from the surface by the intense solar wind. [link to www.nasa.gov] |
Hugh M Eye User ID: 2368961 United States 09/30/2011 01:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | New comet going to hit Sun next days, LASCO C3 - 20110930 Quoting: Rain-Man Thread: New comet going to hit Sun next days, LASCO C3 - 20110930 Kudos rain-man [link to spaceweather.com] They are now saying it will probably dive into the sun Thanks. guys. Did anyone ever find Comet Elenin? Isearchedthe Lasco C3 for a few days and couldn't find a trace. If it turned to dust I wonder if we'll see a little meteor shower from the remnants. |
NiNzrez (OP) User ID: 1135433 United States 09/30/2011 01:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let assume the sun fires an x flare. Are there a couple of days left for the nuke plants operators to respond to it, or will the damage happen almost in an instant? Quoting: Richard S. 577949 When talking about a major event from the sun, we have to talk about 3 seperate events We have Solar Flares, we have CME's and we have Filament/Prominence. *A CME (coronal mass ejection) can occure without a Solar Flare *A Soalr Flare can occure without producing a CME Flares: A solar Flare is a eruption of intense high-energy radiation from the sun's surface and reaches Earth very fast, in around 8 minutes. [link to en.wikipedia.org] It reached Earth so fast because the solar Flare is light, and travels at the speed of light. Because the Flare reaches earth so fast, by the time your posting, or reading about this flare, it has more than likley already reached Earth. *A Solar Flare is radiated light *There is no warning time for a Flare. *This is an almost instant event. CME: A CME (coronal mass ejection) is an ejection of material from the solar corona. [link to en.wikipedia.org] This is when Plasma material of the Sun is ejected off the sun with a blast. The force of the blast is what determines the speed of the material (CME), and the speed of the material is what determines how long it takes to get from the sun to the Earth. Your car has mass. the faster you drive it, the faster you get to your pointed destination.. the slower you drive it, the longer it takes. It is the same exact thing with a CME. a CME usually takes anywhere from 2 to 3 days to reach Earth, and sometimes even longer. We have had CME's that were ejected from the sun with such a strong force, that their speed allowed the CME to reach earth in 18hrs from the time the CME left the Sun's surface, to the time the CME reached Earth. This is what happened with the Carrington event. We have also had CME's that were ejected from the sun with such weak force, that it took the CME 5 days to reach Earth., *A CME is plasma martrial ejected from the Sun surface. *The more material ejected, the stronger the CME *Look at a CME this way. A big CME can be compaire to a Semi truck, and a small CME to a Honda car. If directed at an object, we have to look at how big the CME is (is it a Semi truck or a Honda car)how fast it is moving and if it is aimed directly at the object. If it is huge like the Semi, moving super fast, and aimed directly at the object (earth), then the impact will great. We also have Solar Filaments and Solar prominences that you might hear us talk about on here from time to time here is some info on what those are: [link to spaceweather.com] [link to en.wikipedia.org] *When a prominance or Filament snaps/lifts off, they behave in the same manor as, and have the same effect as a CME Join Me On The GLP SOLAR WATCH Thread Thread: SOLAR WATCH * Huge X8.2 Flare Sept. 10, 2017! (Updated Daily) |
NiNzrez (OP) User ID: 1135433 United States 09/30/2011 01:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I believe the reason why the japanese magnetosphere wasn't updated for a couple of days recently, because there is a time frame between a flare and the hit and certain key parts in the "surveillaince" are simulated to hide what's really going on. Quoting: Richard S. 577949 they had a recent Typhon that hit there that may have had an effect as well Join Me On The GLP SOLAR WATCH Thread Thread: SOLAR WATCH * Huge X8.2 Flare Sept. 10, 2017! (Updated Daily) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1603952 United States 09/30/2011 01:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let assume the sun fires an x flare. Are there a couple of days left for the nuke plants operators to respond to it, or will the damage happen almost in an instant? Quoting: Richard S. 577949 When talking about a major event from the sun, we have to talk about 3 seperate events We have Solar Flares, we have CME's and we have Filament/Prominence. *A CME (coronal mass ejection) can occure without a Solar Flare *A Soalr Flare can occure without producing a CME Flares: A solar Flare is a eruption of intense high-energy radiation from the sun's surface and reaches Earth very fast, in around 8 minutes. [link to en.wikipedia.org] It reached Earth so fast because the solar Flare is light, and travels at the speed of light. Because the Flare reaches earth so fast, by the time your posting, or reading about this flare, it has more than likley already reached Earth. *A Solar Flare is radiated light *There is no warning time for a Flare. *This is an almost instant event. CME: A CME (coronal mass ejection) is an ejection of material from the solar corona. [link to en.wikipedia.org] This is when Plasma material of the Sun is ejected off the sun with a blast. The force of the blast is what determines the speed of the material (CME), and the speed of the material is what determines how long it takes to get from the sun to the Earth. Your car has mass. the faster you drive it, the faster you get to your pointed destination.. the slower you drive it, the longer it takes. It is the same exact thing with a CME. a CME usually takes anywhere from 2 to 3 days to reach Earth, and sometimes even longer. We have had CME's that were ejected from the sun with such a strong force, that their speed allowed the CME to reach earth in 18hrs from the time the CME left the Sun's surface, to the time the CME reached Earth. This is what happened with the Carrington event. We have also had CME's that were ejected from the sun with such weak force, that it took the CME 5 days to reach Earth., *A CME is plasma martrial ejected from the Sun surface. *The more material ejected, the stronger the CME *Look at a CME this way. A big CME can be compaire to a Semi truck, and a small CME to a Honda car. If directed at an object, we have to look at how big the CME is (is it a Semi truck or a Honda car)how fast it is moving and if it is aimed directly at the object. If it is huge like the Semi, moving super fast, and aimed directly at the object (earth), then the impact will great. We also have Solar Filaments and Solar prominences that you might hear us talk about on here from time to time here is some info on what those are: [link to spaceweather.com] [link to en.wikipedia.org] *When a prominance or Filament snaps/lifts off, they behave in the same manor as, and have the same effect as a CME Thank you for all that information! One more question though.... Is it a solar flare that presents the risk for an EMP, or one of the other two? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1517751 United States 09/30/2011 01:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I believe the reason why the japanese magnetosphere wasn't updated for a couple of days recently, because there is a time frame between a flare and the hit and certain key parts in the "surveillaince" are simulated to hide what's really going on. Quoting: Richard S. 577949 they had a recent Typhon that hit there that may have had an effect as well Agreed typhoon was probably the reason. Remember how long it was off with the eq tusnami. I was actually suprised they got it back so soon. |
NiNzrez (OP) User ID: 1135433 United States 09/30/2011 02:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let assume the sun fires an x flare. Are there a couple of days left for the nuke plants operators to respond to it, or will the damage happen almost in an instant? Quoting: Richard S. 577949 When talking about a major event from the sun, we have to talk about 3 seperate events We have Solar Flares, we have CME's and we have Filament/Prominence. *A CME (coronal mass ejection) can occure without a Solar Flare *A Soalr Flare can occure without producing a CME Flares: A solar Flare is a eruption of intense high-energy radiation from the sun's surface and reaches Earth very fast, in around 8 minutes. [link to en.wikipedia.org] It reached Earth so fast because the solar Flare is light, and travels at the speed of light. Because the Flare reaches earth so fast, by the time your posting, or reading about this flare, it has more than likley already reached Earth. *A Solar Flare is radiated light *There is no warning time for a Flare. *This is an almost instant event. CME: A CME (coronal mass ejection) is an ejection of material from the solar corona. [link to en.wikipedia.org] This is when Plasma material of the Sun is ejected off the sun with a blast. The force of the blast is what determines the speed of the material (CME), and the speed of the material is what determines how long it takes to get from the sun to the Earth. Your car has mass. the faster you drive it, the faster you get to your pointed destination.. the slower you drive it, the longer it takes. It is the same exact thing with a CME. a CME usually takes anywhere from 2 to 3 days to reach Earth, and sometimes even longer. We have had CME's that were ejected from the sun with such a strong force, that their speed allowed the CME to reach earth in 18hrs from the time the CME left the Sun's surface, to the time the CME reached Earth. This is what happened with the Carrington event. We have also had CME's that were ejected from the sun with such weak force, that it took the CME 5 days to reach Earth., *A CME is plasma martrial ejected from the Sun surface. *The more material ejected, the stronger the CME *Look at a CME this way. A big CME can be compaire to a Semi truck, and a small CME to a Honda car. If directed at an object, we have to look at how big the CME is (is it a Semi truck or a Honda car)how fast it is moving and if it is aimed directly at the object. If it is huge like the Semi, moving super fast, and aimed directly at the object (earth), then the impact will great. We also have Solar Filaments and Solar prominences that you might hear us talk about on here from time to time here is some info on what those are: [link to spaceweather.com] [link to en.wikipedia.org] *When a prominance or Filament snaps/lifts off, they behave in the same manor as, and have the same effect as a CME Nice. But the question was what causes the destruction of electronics & power grid and i assume the CMEs, which need some time to arrive, because you are trying to avoid this question. Quoting: Richard S. 577949 Trying to avoid the question? That was not your question. i bolded your question above, and i did indeed answer it not with a 1 liner either to find out the damage that flares and CMEs do the the Grids, there is a mass of reading you can do on that subject google works best Join Me On The GLP SOLAR WATCH Thread Thread: SOLAR WATCH * Huge X8.2 Flare Sept. 10, 2017! (Updated Daily) |
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NiNzrez (OP) User ID: 1135433 United States 09/30/2011 02:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I believe a X Flare CME is already en route and due to arrive tomorrow or the day after tomorrow with the magnetosphere being more or less down at the same time. Quoting: Richard S. 577949 the last X flare we had was very early on the 24th X1.9 Flare on 9/24/2011 @ 09:40 UTC - sunspot 1302 that was 6 days ago any and all effects of that X flare have already come and gone Join Me On The GLP SOLAR WATCH Thread Thread: SOLAR WATCH * Huge X8.2 Flare Sept. 10, 2017! (Updated Daily) |
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Richard S. User ID: 577949 United States 09/30/2011 02:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If there is a time frame, between the flare and the destructive effects of it - and in all likelihood is given your behaviour - then it makes perfect sense to run simulations and disinfo, otherwise it would be possible to prepare for it. |
NiNzrez (OP) User ID: 1135433 United States 09/30/2011 02:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | New comet going to hit Sun next days, LASCO C3 - 20110930 Quoting: Rain-Man Thread: New comet going to hit Sun next days, LASCO C3 - 20110930 Kudos rain-man [link to spaceweather.com] They are now saying it will probably dive into the sun SUNDIVING COMET : This morning a quartet of amateur comet hunters (M. Kusiak, S. Liwo, B. Zhou and Z. Xu) independently noticed a comet in SOHO coronagraph images. The icy visitor from the icy solar system is diving toward the sun--probably a one-way trip. Kusiak expects the doomed comet to brighten to first magnitude between now and the early hours of Oct. 1st you can see this comet on the movie for the "LASCO C3" for today [link to sohodata.nascom.nasa.gov] just click "LASCO C3", then click "Search" to the right Join Me On The GLP SOLAR WATCH Thread Thread: SOLAR WATCH * Huge X8.2 Flare Sept. 10, 2017! (Updated Daily) |
NiNzrez (OP) User ID: 1135433 United States 09/30/2011 02:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nin----are you thinking what I`m thinking. he he he BOOT....send`m packing Quoting: <<LOOK`n thru YOU>> i know right :/ what is up today? geezzzz Join Me On The GLP SOLAR WATCH Thread Thread: SOLAR WATCH * Huge X8.2 Flare Sept. 10, 2017! (Updated Daily) |
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Meaux Faux User ID: 1534220 United States 09/30/2011 02:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mercury and Venus will get pummeled!! Imagine if that would have faced us... [link to iswa.gsfc.nasa.gov:8080] |
Mahala User ID: 1543627 United States 09/30/2011 02:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | we're on a rise [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] Vincent Price - “A man who limits his interests, limits his life.” |
Hugh M Eye User ID: 2368961 United States 09/30/2011 02:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | X-ray flux rising..we have a flare. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] |
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Pangn User ID: 1526962 United States 09/30/2011 03:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Any solar activity? Quoting: Pangn Time Warner Cable is out right now in Buchanan County Their excuse is "power ppl cut the wires" Why would power folks be doin anything near their wires on a clear night It's been out for over 6 hours now. Be aware Pagan! Sounds Strange to me..unless they're doing work around somewhere and they really did 'Cut the Line'. Sometimes it is true when they say someone cut the wire. Actually, some people around where i live tried cutting a long chunk of cable off the poles thinking they could get the copper wires to sell. Too bad they were fiberoptic cables People do that here too! It just came back on. It was out for 20 hours! |