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SOLAR WATCH * Huge X8.2 Flare Sept. 10, 2017! (Updated Daily)

 
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"All energy flows according to the whims of the Great Magnet" - Hunter S. Thompson

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i thought you might be interested in nasa's astro pic of the day:

[link to apod.nasa.gov]

"Solar Flare in the Gamma-ray Sky
Credit: NASA, DOE, International Fermi LAT Collaboration
Explanation: What shines in the gamma-ray sky? The answer is usually the most exotic and energetic of astrophysical environments, like active galaxies powered by supermassive black holes, or incredibly dense pulsars, the spinning remnants of exploded stars. But on March 7, a powerful solar flare, one of a series of recent solar eruptions, dominated the gamma-ray sky at energies up to 1 billion times the energy of visible light photons. These two panels illustrate the intensity of that solar flare in all-sky images recorded by the orbiting Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope. On March 6, as on most days, the Sun was almost invisible to Fermi's imaging detectors. But during the energetic X-class flare, it became nearly 100 times brighter than even the Vela Pulsar at gamma-ray energies. Now faded in Fermi's view, the Sun will likely shine again in the gamma-ray sky as the solar activity cycle approaches its maximum."

it's pretty astounding looking!
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thx hugh, great info and posting as usual.. you are one of the good ones:) I'm using it elsewhere if you don't mind..
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 Quoting: Luisport


I know the Youtube link. What I mean is what site is that Youtube clip getting that simulation from?
 Quoting: El Quisqueyano


Sorry i don't know...
 Quoting: Luisport


I don't know who uploaded YT vid, may be from a NASA press conference or news release. Here's a similar model from NASA:

[link to ccmc.gsfc.nasa.gov]

NASA super-computer modeling homepage (you may need special data and/or software, computing power, bandwidth, etc. Some of these models will crash your browser if you lack the needed RAM):

[link to ccmc.gsfc.nasa.gov]

The best tool I've found for understanding the behavior of SW particles and the magnetosphere is NASA's MAGNETO-MINI-GOLF (I'm not joking):

[link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

Feel free to spread any knowledge you find here. Everything I've researched in this field was due to learning from this thread and using inter-web searches to dig a little deeper. Knowledge can be fun!
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...


bumpbump

Why was the direction of the magnetic pressure flipped??? If you go back to look at the NICT it is blank for that time.

wtf
 Quoting: FraudulentZodiac


hugh, ninz, tgod, anybody want to tackle this question for us?

oe..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4526619


I believe what we were seeing the other day was a magnetic substorm and the result of Birkeland Currents streaming from a reconnection in the magnetotail. Here is a diagram showing the complexity of the electro-magnetic interactions caused by strong geomagnetic events.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

In this video we can see a reversal of the current flow towards the night side.

[link to www.youtube.com]

These substorms and current flows in the magnetotail are still under much investigation and are not entirely understood. This why they've been launching rockets into aurora and launching many missions to study these phenomena (Cluster, THEMIS, and Geotail missins come to mind).

"Auroral arcs generally extend in the east-west direction, and Birkeland believed that substorm currents flowed horizontally along them, connecting to space at the ends of the arcs. Satellites have confirmed that electric currents indeed enter the atmosphere from far-away space, flow horizontally for some distance and then head out again; and although their actual structure differs greatly from Birkeland's model, they are now known as Birkeland currents.
They represent a new and altogether different type of electric current in space. Other currents described so far--the ring current, the current on the magnetopause which confines the Earth's field, and the plasma sheet current which flows across the tail--all are "coasting currents" and (in principle) consume no energy. As long as a plasma is present in a suitable magnetic field, the spiraling and drifting motions of its ions and electrons automatically produce the electric current flow.

Electric currents which flow in and out of the ionosphere are more like house currents, which need a voltage (a kind of electrical pressure) to drive them through wires and appliances, and which do transmit energy. Indeed, Birkeland currents might be one of the avenues by which the magnetosphere extracts energy from the solar wind."--

more on substorms and currents here: [link to www.phy6.org]
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That doesnt look just some swirling currents just outside the atmosphere. That shows the same kind of pressure that the solar wind does on the Sun side of the planet.
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That interstellar cloud Gabe and sickscent have been talking about could disrupt normal astophysical thinking, when you encounter an unknown such as this everything is speculative
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i thought you might be interested in nasa's astro pic of the day:

[link to apod.nasa.gov]

"Solar Flare in the Gamma-ray Sky
Credit: NASA, DOE, International Fermi LAT Collaboration
Explanation: What shines in the gamma-ray sky? The answer is usually the most exotic and energetic of astrophysical environments, like active galaxies powered by supermassive black holes, or incredibly dense pulsars, the spinning remnants of exploded stars. But on March 7, a powerful solar flare, one of a series of recent solar eruptions, dominated the gamma-ray sky at energies up to 1 billion times the energy of visible light photons. These two panels illustrate the intensity of that solar flare in all-sky images recorded by the orbiting Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope. On March 6, as on most days, the Sun was almost invisible to Fermi's imaging detectors. But during the energetic X-class flare, it became nearly 100 times brighter than even the Vela Pulsar at gamma-ray energies. Now faded in Fermi's view, the Sun will likely shine again in the gamma-ray sky as the solar activity cycle approaches its maximum."

it's pretty astounding looking!
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Thanks, pink cat!hf I keep forgetting about those gamma rays. We need a gamma-ray flux chart.
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Re: SOLAR WATCH * Huge X8.2 Flare Sept. 10, 2017! (Updated Daily)
The Solar Wind is currently above 800 km/s and the Bz component of the IMF near -15 nT South. Some magnetometers at high latitudes are showing a K-Index of 7.

The attached image is data from a monitoring station in Anchorage, Alaska.

More magnetometers can be found here.
[link to www.sam-magnetometer.net]
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[link to www.youtube.com]

*Wont let me imbed that video for some reason. I know how, just wont let me. hmmmm.....
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Don't use the "embeded" version of the url.

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[link to www.youtube.com]

*Wont let me imbed that video for some reason. I know how, just wont let me. hmmmm.....
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Don't use the "embeded" version of the url.
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I tried both, it wasnt working. It is now.

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"All energy flows according to the whims of the Great Magnet" - Hunter S. Thompson

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

We are all just ins inside the out, and outs inside the ins.
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[link to www.n3kl.org] Why this is happening? [link to www.n3kl.org]
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Maybe someone like to see this events ..

Thread: New Sun-Diving Comet, CME From Impact Again ..

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Re: SOLAR WATCH * Huge X8.2 Flare Sept. 10, 2017! (Updated Daily)
Check this simulation here: [link to ccmc.gsfc.nasa.gov]

This is still related to the magnetic currents coming from the opposite side of the Earth than the Sun. Still some big questions...

Look at images 20120312_154314 to 20120313_160424

Back pressure begins at 20120312_154314

Strongest around 20120312_134424

Ends completely at 20120313_160424
"All energy flows according to the whims of the Great Magnet" - Hunter S. Thompson

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

We are all just ins inside the out, and outs inside the ins.
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[link to www.n3kl.org] Why this is happening? [link to www.n3kl.org]
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Everything is dropping out at once
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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[link to www.n3kl.org] Why this is happening? [link to www.n3kl.org]
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Everything is dropping out at once
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Why?
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[link to www.n3kl.org] Why this is happening? [link to www.n3kl.org]
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Everything is dropping out at once
 Quoting: shadasonic


Why?
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I know its not the case but it looks like a polarity reversal
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K7- and a G3 storm now... [link to www.theusner.eu]
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interesting to see if we don't get a Kp 8 or 9 out of CME,coronal hole combo. The coronal hole has me anxious, if the polarity is right we can have a steady hum dinger of a storm
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interesting to see if we don't get a Kp 8 or 9 out of CME,coronal hole combo. The coronal hole has me anxious, if the polarity is right we can have a steady hum dinger of a storm
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What is the right polarity for a biger storm?
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We are now at G2 storm status.

Space Weather Message Code: ALTK06
Serial Number: 283
Issue Time: 2012 Mar 15 1724 UTC

ALERT: Geomagnetic K-index of 6
Threshold Reached: 2012 Mar 15 1724 UTC
Synoptic Period: 1500-1800 UTC
Active Warning: Yes
NOAA Scale: G2 - Moderate
Potential Impacts: Area of impact primarily poleward of 55 degrees Geomagnetic Latitude.
Induced Currents - Power grid fluctuations can occur. High-latitude power systems may experience voltage alarms.
Spacecraft - Satellite orientation irregularities may occur; increased drag on low Earth-orbit satellites is possible.
Radio - HF (high frequency) radio propagation can fade at higher latitudes.
Aurora - Aurora may be seen as low as New York to Wisconsin to Washinton state.

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
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Is the magnetosphere sim from nict gone from the site menus ?


[link to www2.nict.go.jp]
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Sorry , new link

[link to www2.nict.go.jp]
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BznT swinging back and forth at the moment.

Current ACE Data:

2012 03 15

@ 18:31 UT

BynT 12.8

BznT 1.9

Density p/cc 1.3

Bulk Speed km/s 740.2

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

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K7- and a G3 storm now... [link to www.theusner.eu]
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K7 now...
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The two CME models are completely different! In fact the forecast time of arrival differs by 24 hours! I guess each government agency uses its own special mathematics. No wonder we're 20 trillion dollars over budget, LOL.

NASA-arrival of CME @06:00 on 3/15

[link to iswa.gsfc.nasa.gov:8080]

NOAA-arrival time @08:00 on 3/16

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]


farside
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NOAA didn't even have an A-index watch up for today. They are so pathetic. Let me do the honors!



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The two CME models are completely different! In fact the forecast time of arrival differs by 24 hours! I guess each government agency uses its own special mathematics. No wonder we're 20 trillion dollars over budget, LOL.

NASA-arrival of CME @06:00 on 3/15

[link to iswa.gsfc.nasa.gov:8080]

NOAA-arrival time @08:00 on 3/16

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]


:farside:
 Quoting: Hugh M Eye


NOAA didn't even have an A-index watch up for today. They are so pathetic. Let me do the honors!



[link to www.youtube.com]
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Love those chimps !!! flower
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The two CME models are completely different! In fact the forecast time of arrival differs by 24 hours! I guess each government agency uses its own special mathematics. No wonder we're 20 trillion dollars over budget, LOL.

NASA-arrival of CME @06:00 on 3/15

[link to iswa.gsfc.nasa.gov:8080]

NOAA-arrival time @08:00 on 3/16

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]


:farside:
 Quoting: Hugh M Eye


NOAA didn't even have an A-index watch up for today. They are so pathetic. Let me do the honors!



[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: tomasgod1


and the cme coming out the other side from that comet, not related according to the banana crew.. they have been consistently bad at predictions this last week, it's nice to have some consistency at least:)

nice mysolaralerts page btw..

oe..
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[link to www.youtube.com]

*Wont let me imbed that video for some reason. I know how, just wont let me. hmmmm.....
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Don't use the "embeded" version of the url.


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Still no answers to where this magnetic wind is coming from....

Last Edited by FraudulentZodiac on 03/15/2012 04:36 PM
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1433 seems to have polarity like 1429, white side leading..
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Are you asking how to imbed a you tube here ? If so, take a look when you reply to this. See the You tube button above ??/ press it, then no spaces, copy and paste the link, then no spaces, hit the you tube button again and you are good hf
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Are you asking how to imbed a you tube here ? If so, take a look when you reply to this. See the You tube button above ??/ press it, then no spaces, copy and paste the link, then no spaces, hit the you tube button again and you are good hf
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Are you replying to me? Because I absolutely know how already.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the Great Magnet" - Hunter S. Thompson

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

We are all just ins inside the out, and outs inside the ins.
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Are you asking how to imbed a you tube here ? If so, take a look when you reply to this. See the You tube button above ??/ press it, then no spaces, copy and paste the link, then no spaces, hit the you tube button again and you are good hf
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or... paste youtube url into your reply then highlight it and click the youtube button just once.

you do have to make sure that you copy the url that does not have the word imbed in it already when copying from another site. I'm not a techy so I'm not very good at explaining this.





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