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Right, but you implied I wasn't one either. Fact is I can derive the orbit using just that data whereas you can't. I don't know if I'll ever discover anything huge, but that's not the point. I am a skilled amateur astronomer nonetheless and I do make the occasional interesting observation.
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Show us, I think you provided insufficient info.
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Fine, using astrometry I was able to derive the following coordinate sets from each image for each of the following timepoints previously listed:
7:12:15.769 20h 27m 14s 32 degrees 17' 57"
7:12:45.632 20h 27m 53s 32 degrees 00' 01"
7:13:45.359 20h 29m 09s 31 degrees 23' 17"
7:14:15.322 20h 29m 48s 31 degrees 04' 34"
7:15:40.707 20h 31m 39s 30 degrees 09' 24"
7:16:14.908 20h 32m 24s 29 degrees 46' 34"
7:26:08.535 20h 46m 08s 21 degrees 55' 38"
7:26:38.432 20h 46m 52s 21 degrees 27' 21"
7:31:16.043 20h 53m 59s 16 degrees 35' 32"
7:34:19.693 20h 59m 01s 12 degrees 49' 19"
An initial orbital determination was made using the first, last, and a middle astrometric determination (the 7:26:08.535 observation), then refined with the other 7 measurements to determine the following orbital elements relative to earth (indeed, it was an earth-orbiting satellite in an eccentric orbit).
Epoch (UTC): 00:26:8.535 November 20, 2010
Inclination: 61.8682 degrees
RA of Ascending Node: 155.9298 degrees
Eccentricity: 0.7341638
Argument of perigee: 268.3763
Mean Anomaly: 333.3678
It was a satellite known as Molniya 1-88.

As astronomers have known for over two hundred years, all that is needed to make an initial orbital determination is three astrometric observations of the object's position, the time of those observations, and the observer's position. Carl Friedrich Gauss developed the initial method allowing for determination with just that amount of information in 1801.
 Quoting: Astromut


congratulations dipshit, you calculated the orbit of something that orbits the Earth everyday. In the amount of time it took you to answer me you could have plagerised by looking at sites as this [link to www.n2yo.com] and slightly changing your numbers because you're so damn smart.
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Dude its time for you to shut your face. Just admit that Astro is a skilled astronomer and you have not a single clue on how to do any of this. He is literally schooling the shit out of you. Just walk away, you have seriously lost...
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Show us, I think you provided insufficient info.
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Fine, using astrometry I was able to derive the following coordinate sets from each image for each of the following timepoints previously listed:
7:12:15.769 20h 27m 14s 32 degrees 17' 57"
7:12:45.632 20h 27m 53s 32 degrees 00' 01"
7:13:45.359 20h 29m 09s 31 degrees 23' 17"
7:14:15.322 20h 29m 48s 31 degrees 04' 34"
7:15:40.707 20h 31m 39s 30 degrees 09' 24"
7:16:14.908 20h 32m 24s 29 degrees 46' 34"
7:26:08.535 20h 46m 08s 21 degrees 55' 38"
7:26:38.432 20h 46m 52s 21 degrees 27' 21"
7:31:16.043 20h 53m 59s 16 degrees 35' 32"
7:34:19.693 20h 59m 01s 12 degrees 49' 19"
An initial orbital determination was made using the first, last, and a middle astrometric determination (the 7:26:08.535 observation), then refined with the other 7 measurements to determine the following orbital elements relative to earth (indeed, it was an earth-orbiting satellite in an eccentric orbit).
Epoch (UTC): 00:26:8.535 November 20, 2010
Inclination: 61.8682 degrees
RA of Ascending Node: 155.9298 degrees
Eccentricity: 0.7341638
Argument of perigee: 268.3763
Mean Anomaly: 333.3678
It was a satellite known as Molniya 1-88.

As astronomers have known for over two hundred years, all that is needed to make an initial orbital determination is three astrometric observations of the object's position, the time of those observations, and the observer's position. Carl Friedrich Gauss developed the initial method allowing for determination with just that amount of information in 1801.
 Quoting: Astromut


congratulations dipshit, you calculated the orbit of something that orbits the Earth everyday. In the amount of time it took you to answer me you could have plagerised by looking at sites as this [link to www.n2yo.com] and slightly changing your numbers because you're so damn smart.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1504077


Dude its time for you to shut your face. Just admit that Astro is a skilled astronomer and you have not a single clue on how to do any of this. He is literally schooling the shit out of you. Just walk away, you have seriously lost...
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yep and I could log in to my account and get you to believe a bunch of bullshit too. He calculated the orbit of a sattelite, seirously? you know how many sites have real time tracking of sats? I bet you believe you'll get a great ass job from O'bama too huh?
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Show us, I think you provided insufficient info.
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Fine, using astrometry I was able to derive the following coordinate sets from each image for each of the following timepoints previously listed:
7:12:15.769 20h 27m 14s 32 degrees 17' 57"
7:12:45.632 20h 27m 53s 32 degrees 00' 01"
7:13:45.359 20h 29m 09s 31 degrees 23' 17"
7:14:15.322 20h 29m 48s 31 degrees 04' 34"
7:15:40.707 20h 31m 39s 30 degrees 09' 24"
7:16:14.908 20h 32m 24s 29 degrees 46' 34"
7:26:08.535 20h 46m 08s 21 degrees 55' 38"
7:26:38.432 20h 46m 52s 21 degrees 27' 21"
7:31:16.043 20h 53m 59s 16 degrees 35' 32"
7:34:19.693 20h 59m 01s 12 degrees 49' 19"
An initial orbital determination was made using the first, last, and a middle astrometric determination (the 7:26:08.535 observation), then refined with the other 7 measurements to determine the following orbital elements relative to earth (indeed, it was an earth-orbiting satellite in an eccentric orbit).
Epoch (UTC): 00:26:8.535 November 20, 2010
Inclination: 61.8682 degrees
RA of Ascending Node: 155.9298 degrees
Eccentricity: 0.7341638
Argument of perigee: 268.3763
Mean Anomaly: 333.3678
It was a satellite known as Molniya 1-88.

As astronomers have known for over two hundred years, all that is needed to make an initial orbital determination is three astrometric observations of the object's position, the time of those observations, and the observer's position. Carl Friedrich Gauss developed the initial method allowing for determination with just that amount of information in 1801.
 Quoting: Astromut


congratulations dipshit, you calculated the orbit of something that orbits the Earth everyday. In the amount of time it took you to answer me you could have plagerised by looking at sites as this [link to www.n2yo.com] and slightly changing your numbers because you're so damn smart.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1504077


Dude its time for you to shut your face. Just admit that Astro is a skilled astronomer and you have not a single clue on how to do any of this. He is literally schooling the shit out of you. Just walk away, you have seriously lost...
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Fine, using astrometry I was able to derive the following coordinate sets from each image for each of the following timepoints previously listed:
7:12:15.769 20h 27m 14s 32 degrees 17' 57"
7:12:45.632 20h 27m 53s 32 degrees 00' 01"
7:13:45.359 20h 29m 09s 31 degrees 23' 17"
7:14:15.322 20h 29m 48s 31 degrees 04' 34"
7:15:40.707 20h 31m 39s 30 degrees 09' 24"
7:16:14.908 20h 32m 24s 29 degrees 46' 34"
7:26:08.535 20h 46m 08s 21 degrees 55' 38"
7:26:38.432 20h 46m 52s 21 degrees 27' 21"
7:31:16.043 20h 53m 59s 16 degrees 35' 32"
7:34:19.693 20h 59m 01s 12 degrees 49' 19"
An initial orbital determination was made using the first, last, and a middle astrometric determination (the 7:26:08.535 observation), then refined with the other 7 measurements to determine the following orbital elements relative to earth (indeed, it was an earth-orbiting satellite in an eccentric orbit).
Epoch (UTC): 00:26:8.535 November 20, 2010
Inclination: 61.8682 degrees
RA of Ascending Node: 155.9298 degrees
Eccentricity: 0.7341638
Argument of perigee: 268.3763
Mean Anomaly: 333.3678
It was a satellite known as Molniya 1-88.

As astronomers have known for over two hundred years, all that is needed to make an initial orbital determination is three astrometric observations of the object's position, the time of those observations, and the observer's position. Carl Friedrich Gauss developed the initial method allowing for determination with just that amount of information in 1801.
 Quoting: Astromut


congratulations dipshit, you calculated the orbit of something that orbits the Earth everyday. In the amount of time it took you to answer me you could have plagerised by looking at sites as this [link to www.n2yo.com] and slightly changing your numbers because you're so damn smart.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1504077


Dude its time for you to shut your face. Just admit that Astro is a skilled astronomer and you have not a single clue on how to do any of this. He is literally schooling the shit out of you. Just walk away, you have seriously lost...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1461566


yep and I could log in to my account and get you to believe a bunch of bullshit too. He calculated the orbit of a sattelite, seirously? you know how many sites have real time tracking of sats? I bet you believe you'll get a great ass job from O'bama too huh?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1504077


already admitted I didn't know shit too man. Astro knows that I admitted it. I'm just not giving him credit for shit cause he calculated the orbit of a sattelite. How is that skilled?
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Please can someone answer why this satellite was only used 5 days before falling back down and appears to be launched by Opto-Matic?

So can I just go out in my backyard and launch something and to hell with what happens to it?
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Your all falling for the deception that NASA KNOWS will keep you looking in the wrong direction.

NASA would NEVER post ANYTHING confirming a for sure impact because they know that WE are lurking daily for DOOM and if in fact they confirm it... the nation will panic into apocalyptic doom and fear. People would stop paying bills, stop paying taxes... and stop dishing money into their military money pits - therefore funding their rat holes and food storage would no longer exist.


NASA still denies what we KNOW they are hiding = Nibiru/Planet X/WoodWorm/ a billion other names but same big ass object/planet/star bla bla bla.

The illuminate use Hollywood to reflect the future. We learned this by going back AFTER 9/11 happened to see all the signs they gave that 9/11 was going to happen.
Now we are at a point where we KNOW they throw it in our faces before it happens... unlike 9/11 - we can now pick out that will happen.

This pretty much sums it up -
[link to www.youtube.com]

Due to be released... you guessed it - 11-11-2011

Now... stop wasting time watching these stupid deceptions NASA keeps tossing at you. All you need to know is that big mo fo is coming and there aint NOTHING we can do about it.
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Fine, using astrometry I was able to derive the following coordinate sets from each image for each of the following timepoints previously listed:
7:12:15.769 20h 27m 14s 32 degrees 17' 57"
7:12:45.632 20h 27m 53s 32 degrees 00' 01"
7:13:45.359 20h 29m 09s 31 degrees 23' 17"
7:14:15.322 20h 29m 48s 31 degrees 04' 34"
7:15:40.707 20h 31m 39s 30 degrees 09' 24"
7:16:14.908 20h 32m 24s 29 degrees 46' 34"
7:26:08.535 20h 46m 08s 21 degrees 55' 38"
7:26:38.432 20h 46m 52s 21 degrees 27' 21"
7:31:16.043 20h 53m 59s 16 degrees 35' 32"
7:34:19.693 20h 59m 01s 12 degrees 49' 19"
An initial orbital determination was made using the first, last, and a middle astrometric determination (the 7:26:08.535 observation), then refined with the other 7 measurements to determine the following orbital elements relative to earth (indeed, it was an earth-orbiting satellite in an eccentric orbit).
Epoch (UTC): 00:26:8.535 November 20, 2010
Inclination: 61.8682 degrees
RA of Ascending Node: 155.9298 degrees
Eccentricity: 0.7341638
Argument of perigee: 268.3763
Mean Anomaly: 333.3678
It was a satellite known as Molniya 1-88.

As astronomers have known for over two hundred years, all that is needed to make an initial orbital determination is three astrometric observations of the object's position, the time of those observations, and the observer's position. Carl Friedrich Gauss developed the initial method allowing for determination with just that amount of information in 1801.
 Quoting: Astromut


congratulations dipshit, you calculated the orbit of something that orbits the Earth everyday. In the amount of time it took you to answer me you could have plagerised by looking at sites as this [link to www.n2yo.com] and slightly changing your numbers because you're so damn smart.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1504077


Dude its time for you to shut your face. Just admit that Astro is a skilled astronomer and you have not a single clue on how to do any of this. He is literally schooling the shit out of you. Just walk away, you have seriously lost...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1461566


yep and I could log in to my account and get you to believe a bunch of bullshit too. He calculated the orbit of a sattelite, seirously? you know how many sites have real time tracking of sats? I bet you believe you'll get a great ass job from O'bama too huh?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1504077


Yes, I calculated the orbit of that satellite. The orbital elements I gave are unique to my observation, though pretty close to the actual numbers. It's a testament to how accurate I was despite only having a single night's observation from a single observer, myself, to go on. Nonetheless, the data is unique to me and is directly derived from the astrometric measurements I gave you. Anyone can confirm it for themselves. That wouldn't be the case had I simply "plagiarized" the site you mentioned. If I plagiarized it, then show that the orbital data I provided does not match the observations I provided, otherwise you're just making false accusations. I guess I should call it "brain envy," but really, it's defamatory in nature.
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ok ok I'll admit it only so I can finally sleep. Astromut is the dumbest amateur astronomer I know.
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Please can someone answer why this satellite was only used 5 days before falling back down and appears to be launched by Opto-Matic?

So can I just go out in my backyard and launch something and to hell with what happens to it?
 Quoting: Miggy

What the heck are you talking about? If you're talking about the time span of observations, that simply means they've only been observing it for 5 days, it doesn't mean it "fell down." As for "Otto matic," it's their way of saying the orbit was automatically determined from the astrometric data by the computer. Lots of objects on JPL are determined "otto matically." Even Elenin.
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ok ok I'll admit it only so I can finally sleep. Astromut is the dumbest amateur astronomer I know.
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I'm dumb because I know how to calculate the orbit of an object using just my own observations of that object?
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Please can someone answer why this satellite was only used 5 days before falling back down and appears to be launched by Opto-Matic?

So can I just go out in my backyard and launch something and to hell with what happens to it?
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All of these deceptions of NASA are "produced" by "Otto Matic".

Do you know who "Otto Matic" is?

Its a VIDEO game.
[link to www.pangeasoft.net]

Read that - Notice "otto Matic and Planet X references?

Well ... guess what? The game was developed in 1987 and released SEPTEMBER 10TH 2001


"Otto Matic" is a NASA/Illuminate tool of deception.

Dont be deceived.
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Comet Fundig? Or comet Fundshui?
The future is uncertain and the end is always near.
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1 day left before the usual.....THREAD FAIL and TARD ALERT.
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ok ok I'll admit it only so I can finally sleep. Astromut is the dumbest amateur astronomer I know.
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I'm dumb because I know how to calculate the orbit of an object using just my own observations of that object?
:bsspray:
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You're just feeding a troll. He's so full by now that won't go to sleep.
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Please can someone answer why this satellite was only used 5 days before falling back down and appears to be launched by Opto-Matic?

So can I just go out in my backyard and launch something and to hell with what happens to it?
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All of these deceptions of NASA are "produced" by "Otto Matic".

Do you know who "Otto Matic" is?

Its a VIDEO game.
[link to www.pangeasoft.net]

Read that - Notice "otto Matic and Planet X references?

Well ... guess what? The game was developed in 1987 and released SEPTEMBER 10TH 2001


"Otto Matic" is a NASA/Illuminate tool of deception.

Dont be deceived.
 Quoting: InSaNe1 1545886


Normally I wouldn't link to badastronomy, but the debunking your claim already received there is just so juicy and so thorough, I can't resist.
[link to www.bautforum.com]
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All I know is that the darn satellite trackers seemed to take us for a ride when we tracked UARS. So I'm not real sure about using any tracker for an asteroid :)
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All I know is that the darn satellite trackers seemed to take us for a ride when we tracked UARS.
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"Real time" satellite tracking websites are just showing the output of calculating the satellite's current position from its latest 2 line element set "in realtime." In other words, garbage in, garbage out. It's not like they're watching every satellite in the sky simultaneously and showing the positional data. That just doesn't exist. They're just showing you where it should be according to its orbit. Orbital drag is generally not accounted for by these sites, so the resulting solution that you're watching won't be quite right for satellites that are close to re-entering, nor will it show you the moment at which re-entry begins.
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Please can someone answer why this satellite was only used 5 days before falling back down and appears to be launched by Opto-Matic?

So can I just go out in my backyard and launch something and to hell with what happens to it?
 Quoting: Miggy

What the heck are you talking about? If you're talking about the time span of observations, that simply means they've only been observing it for 5 days, it doesn't mean it "fell down." As for "Otto matic," it's their way of saying the orbit was automatically determined from the astrometric data by the computer. Lots of objects on JPL are determined "otto matically." Even Elenin.
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Astromut really admire your patience, I would've been loosing it by now.

The you tube vid where attention seeking, donate to Paypal please, 'MaryGreeley' talks of comet doom, has the following in the description box...

[link to www.youtube.com]

'This is just too strange. The producer on the JPL website for both 2011 SE58 and Elenin are both the same. Otto Matic a fake name.'

She deleted my comment asking her to do more research before Scaremongering. Now she's blocked me.

peace out

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Please can someone answer why this satellite was only used 5 days before falling back down and appears to be launched by Opto-Matic?

So can I just go out in my backyard and launch something and to hell with what happens to it?
 Quoting: Miggy

What the heck are you talking about? If you're talking about the time span of observations, that simply means they've only been observing it for 5 days, it doesn't mean it "fell down." As for "Otto matic," it's their way of saying the orbit was automatically determined from the astrometric data by the computer. Lots of objects on JPL are determined "otto matically." Even Elenin.
 Quoting: Astromut


Astromut really admire your patience, I would've been loosing it by now.

The you tube vid where attention seeking, donate to Paypal please 'MaryGreeley' talks of comet doom, has the following in the description box...

[link to www.youtube.com]

'This is just too strange. The producer on the JPL website for both 2011 SE58 and Elenin are both the same. Otto Matic a fake name.'

She deleted my comment asking her to do more research before Scaremongering. Now she's blocked me.

peace out
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Yeah man, that's why I generally try to avoid getting into debates in youtube comments. The woo-woos have complete censorship power and they'll use it the instant they feel your debunking threatens their credibility. Some of them clearly know that they're wrong, but that doesn't matter to them.
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Show us, I think you provided insufficient info.
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Fine, using astrometry I was able to derive the following coordinate sets from each image for each of the following timepoints previously listed:
7:12:15.769 20h 27m 14s 32 degrees 17' 57"
7:12:45.632 20h 27m 53s 32 degrees 00' 01"
7:13:45.359 20h 29m 09s 31 degrees 23' 17"
7:14:15.322 20h 29m 48s 31 degrees 04' 34"
7:15:40.707 20h 31m 39s 30 degrees 09' 24"
7:16:14.908 20h 32m 24s 29 degrees 46' 34"
7:26:08.535 20h 46m 08s 21 degrees 55' 38"
7:26:38.432 20h 46m 52s 21 degrees 27' 21"
7:31:16.043 20h 53m 59s 16 degrees 35' 32"
7:34:19.693 20h 59m 01s 12 degrees 49' 19"
An initial orbital determination was made using the first, last, and a middle astrometric determination (the 7:26:08.535 observation), then refined with the other 7 measurements to determine the following orbital elements relative to earth (indeed, it was an earth-orbiting satellite in an eccentric orbit).
Epoch (UTC): 00:26:8.535 November 20, 2010
Inclination: 61.8682 degrees
RA of Ascending Node: 155.9298 degrees
Eccentricity: 0.7341638
Argument of perigee: 268.3763
Mean Anomaly: 333.3678
It was a satellite known as Molniya 1-88.

As astronomers have known for over two hundred years, all that is needed to make an initial orbital determination is three astrometric observations of the object's position, the time of those observations, and the observer's position. Carl Friedrich Gauss developed the initial method allowing for determination with just that amount of information in 1801.
 Quoting: Astromut


congratulations dipshit, you calculated the orbit of something that orbits the Earth everyday. In the amount of time it took you to answer me you could have plagerised by looking at sites as this [link to www.n2yo.com] and slightly changing your numbers because you're so damn smart.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1504077


Dude its time for you to shut your face. Just admit that Astro is a skilled astronomer and you have not a single clue on how to do any of this. He is literally schooling the shit out of you. Just walk away, you have seriously lost...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1461566


Wow, that is some great ass kissing right there.

Are you astromut's number 1 fan or just his boyfriend?

Astromut is an arrogant dick, and anyone who likes arrogant dick is a home

Don't worry, astromut said on another thread he did not mind the insults, and he loves the ass kissing so between the two of us, he will get both what he wants and what he deserves
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first off good troll OP, and to the people that believe this asteroid is going to hit us i feel sorry that you are so mentally unstable.

a condition code ranges from 0-9 based on "orbital uncertainty" so if its a 1 they are very certain of its orbit, and in the case of this asteroid its an 8 so they arent sure of its orbit, this has nothing to do with the torino scale... morons

as much as you fear mongering idiots love this doom and gloom shit, you need to start believing nasa instead of redneck kids on youtube and brain dead morons posting this shit on their blogs

this asteroid is going to be 5.6 LD away from us so stfu.

i bet some of you idiots gave money to that guy that said the world was going to end on march 29th or whenever that was

god this is pathetic lmfao
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Please can someone answer why this satellite was only used 5 days before falling back down and appears to be launched by Opto-Matic?

So can I just go out in my backyard and launch something and to hell with what happens to it?
 Quoting: Miggy

What the heck are you talking about? If you're talking about the time span of observations, that simply means they've only been observing it for 5 days, it doesn't mean it "fell down." As for "Otto matic," it's their way of saying the orbit was automatically determined from the astrometric data by the computer. Lots of objects on JPL are determined "otto matically." Even Elenin.
 Quoting: Astromut


Astromut really admire your patience, I would've been loosing it by now.

The you tube vid where attention seeking, donate to Paypal please 'MaryGreeley' talks of comet doom, has the following in the description box...

[link to www.youtube.com]

'This is just too strange. The producer on the JPL website for both 2011 SE58 and Elenin are both the same. Otto Matic a fake name.'

She deleted my comment asking her to do more research before Scaremongering. Now she's blocked me.

peace out
 Quoting: markemai


Yeah man, that's why I generally try to avoid getting into debates in youtube comments. The woo-woos have complete censorship power and they'll use it the instant they feel your debunking threatens their credibility. Some of them clearly know that they're wrong, but that doesn't matter to them.
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I wonder if this is somehow tied to the tainted cantaloupe.....hmm
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You sir are absolutely wrong!

Condition codes, in the orbit determination parameters table refers to MPC "U" parameter: orbit uncertainty estimate 0-9, with 0 being good, and 9 being highly uncertain.
In other words it refers to the accuracy of the orbit parameter.
Nothing to do with the Torino scale.
The Torino scale IS the scale of impact probability NOT the condition code.

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~Andariel~
We know this, it was tell here 5000 times.
But because this topic is pinned, shit must go over and over again.
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first off good troll OP, and to the people that believe this asteroid is going to hit us i feel sorry that you are so mentally unstable.

a condition code ranges from 0-9 based on "orbital uncertainty" so if its a 1 they are very certain of its orbit, and in the case of this asteroid its an 8 so they arent sure of its orbit, this has nothing to do with the torino scale... morons

as much as you fear mongering idiots love this doom and gloom shit, you need to start believing nasa instead of redneck kids on youtube and brain dead morons posting this shit on their blogs

this asteroid is going to be 5.6 LD away from us so stfu.

i bet some of you idiots gave money to that guy that said the world was going to end on march 29th or whenever that was

god this is pathetic lmfao
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clappaclappaclappaclappa
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~Andariel~
We know this, it was tell here 5000 times.
But because this topic is pinned, shit must go over and over again.
 Quoting: outofspace


Did not have time to scroll over the entire thread, therefore I played it safe and posted my statement anyways :)

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Doom is alway the next day
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If you were to see me at a star party or one of the public viewings I volunteer at, you'd see that I am the "real deal." At least as far as amateur astronomy goes I am anyway, not quite sure what you meant by that. If you meant professional astronomer, no, I don't desire to be that.
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Star parties, public viewings, and the website that has your work on it that you decided not to link while linking your halfass youtube videos. All I'm saying is that you may can tell us what won't hit us, but you will never be the one to tell us when one will hit us.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1504077


my apologies, that was your work. I could observe deep space as well, if I had your equipment.
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You could... but would you even know what to do with my equipment if you had it? And if you did operate it properly and spot a moving object in space, would you know how to identify it and calculate the orbit if it was unidentifiable?

As an example, consider these images of an object I followed as it streaked through space.
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[link to farm6.static.flickr.com]
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[link to farm6.static.flickr.com]
The timing of each image is as follows:
7:12:15.769
7:12:45.632
7:13:45.359
7:14:15.322
7:15:40.707
7:16:14.908
7:26:08.535
7:26:38.432
7:31:16.043
7:34:19.693
That's PM eastern time. The images were recorded November 19th, 2010. For simplicity and security sake, we'll say these were the observer coordinates:
27d 58' 15" N, 82d 27' 6.72" W
(Not my true coordinates, but close enough for a rough orbital calculation).

Using just the information above it is possible to calculate the orbit and identify the object in question. It takes skill to do it though, I'd be seriously impressed if you could properly derive the orbit. Even if you have the best equipment in the world, the equipment is only as good as the person using it. The data is worthless if you don't know how to use it.
 Quoting: Astromut

Sorry Mut, but I could do that calc in Stellarium and I am just a newbie backyard astronomer. I can set the location, time and coordinates and if it is in the database, I could id it.
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